Israel to Build New Homes in West Bank -- Religion and Belief, ...

Everyday Guy wrote:

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So it’s NOT ok that the Americans butchered the Native Americans, but it IS ok for the Israelis to butcher the Palestinians because you have the Bible and Ideology?
That is not rational - On any level. You must have let the IDF get too deep inside your head! Militias such as the IDF and Hamas always use ideology and religion to excuse their killings. Wake up and see through the b*llshit

Steve H wrote:

<quoted text> First, why no comment on how Israel should have offered public education to Palestinians in occupied territories 40 years ago? Second, recent history should show you that Iran ability to "bulldoze" Israel and live to build a new Muslim homeland is highly unprobable.

greg_allen wrote:

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would it be possible if we took our support and weapons from israel and gave it to iran?

Steve H wrote:

<quoted text> Huh? Israel is a US ally, Iran an enemy. Why would the US remove military support of an ally and give it to an enemy? What you have proposed here is treason! I hope the Homeland Security is monitoring you.

greg_allen wrote:

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would you classify a country that attacks our naval vessels(USS Liberty) and spies on us and mooches from us an ally? i would not.

Steve H wrote:

<quoted text> I would classify a country who's president chants "Death to America" (Iran) not an ally. As for Israel, the US has long enjoyed a collaborative intelligence relationship with them and yes they are the only US ally in the middle east. The USS Liberty was an unfortunate accident and not an intentional attack as you well know, so bringing this 40 year old incident up as evidence to the contrary just shows how lame your argument(s) here really are.

Steve H wrote:

<quoted text> First, why no comment on how Israel should have offered public education to Palestinians in occupied territories 40 years ago? Second, recent history should show you that Iran ability to "bulldoze" Israel and live to build a new Muslim homeland is highly unprobable.

Lipush wrote:

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I didn't say it was alright! Jee, you misanderstand me completely.
I'm just trying to say that we all nation basically made the same sins, but the Americans and Iranians and even Israelis prefer to see the crap of other countries instead of understanding that they did the same thing themselves. that's not bull, my friend, but some very ugly reality!

Everyday Guy wrote:

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You are right, a very ugly reality indeed.
You are also very right that a lot of countries only see the crap in other countries while not realizing they have committed the same sins.
The difference is, Israel is still committing these sins and you are still defending them.
Wouldn’t you rest a lot better when you get old and look back at your life and know that you weren’t a direct part of those sins? Israel was not meant to be built on sins.

Everyday Guy wrote:

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Firstly, I don’t know what Israel’s education policy with the Palestinians has to do with your logic of,“if you create something you own it”.
Second, why won’t you still answer my question? As improbable as it may be, if Iran bulldozed Israel to the ground and built a new Muslim homeland over it, would you accept that Iran would then own Israel as they would have created it?
I see by your reluctance to answer this question, you must have already realized your statement doesn’t make much sense.

greg_allen wrote:

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Uss Liberty was not an accident.
Iran is not an ally. neither is israel. israel is the remora that attaches itself to the shark(US)

Lipush wrote:

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i would have rested a lot better in old age if i knew that in my short life i have defended what i believe in.
I woud have rested better if i knew that my children would have a country to be safe in, a country which in things like what happened yesterday are not accepted.
you say israel was built upon sins. in some wierd way i guess you're right, but you see, since we have a country and nobody can destroy us, we decided that be "siners" is not such a bad thing.
if doing a bad thing would have helped you to save everyone you loved, do you really would have cared about some "sin"?
to every action there is something, or someone, who will resist it.
by helping someone you'll get someone else to hate you.
this how this world works.
and if the things we did in the last 60 years are sin, i'm already a siner, since i'm Israeli, arn't i?
people see Israelis as killers, no matter their opinions. look around you, youdon't need to be philosoper in order to understand it.
which makes me part of all this, no mater if i hate the Palestinians, or sympathetic toward them, or how i see things.
i was not born a Jew. i wasn't born an Israeli, therfore i can say that i don't find myself in this war, that i got here by mistake, so what do everybody want with me?
tohugh i see myself as Jewish and Israeli, therefore this war is mine to, and that is the reason that i got into the IDF and that is why i'm lighting candles at friday, becasuse I AM a part of this, daughter of people who conquered Jerusalem, grandaughter of occupiers.
with history like that, i go to bed a siner and i will wake up a siner at age 90, no matter if i will call to my people to teat Arabs with honor and feel for them.
I'm considered a siner no matter what i do.
but iv won't have it any other way.

Steve H wrote:

<quoted text> First, one of the reasons the USA has been successful as a democracy is that immigrants and even former slaves (a blight in our history) through public education children are given the tools for success in society and also learn that the prejudices they may have encountered at home were just that. so in other words Israel missed an opportunity to empower and educate Palestinian children that Israelis were not bad people and Israeli children missed this opportunity with Palestinian children and instead the cycle of hate persists and flourishes even two generations later. The quote "create ... own" was placed in a context that you have selectively removed. As for your second question, a more reasonable question would have been would you have excepted Israels utter destruction and a new Muslim state in its place in 1967 when the surrounding armies of Egypt, Jordan and Syria plotted this destruction? Apart from Israel, would youhave accepted Iraqs takeover of Kuwait had the US not intervened? Should I continue?

Everyday Guy wrote:

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At least you recognize that killing all those people in the name of Zionism is a sin.
It’s a shame you think that killing them all is the only way to achieve peace.
It’s an even bigger shame that you condone these sins that break the holy 10 commandments for a political party with different commandments altogether.
Sins are evil.
So you have just said that the only way Israel can exist is through evil!
The Nazis made people believe the only way Germany can have peace is by getting rid of all the Jews. Now the Zionist party is telling the Jews they can’t have peace until you get rid of the Palestinians.
Do you see any similarities between the two?
Stop supporting evil. Stop sinning.
(also, your point that if you help someone, somebody else will hate you is BS, thats NOT how the world works).

Everyday Guy wrote:

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For the last time, do you or don’t you think that if you create something you own it as in your example of how the US of A was created?
You sound like a politician the way you avoid direct questions. This is about the third or fourth time I have asked you the same question and all I have gotten back is conversation changers!
Now, if Iran was to bulldoze Israel to the ground and build a Muslim homeland on it, would you think that it would then belongs to Iran, as they have created it?

American Patriot wrote:

When diplomacy fails, war trumps law. The Arabs lost the West Bank in the 67' war.
As all our borders have been defined by war, build on Israel and enjoy your spoils.