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greg_allen wrote: <quoted text>
it surely seems that israel and the zionists pick and choose which international laws and ruling bodies that they care to listen to or use for their purposes. we all know that israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other nation. it defies the geneva convention every day. sharon has been charged with war crimes.
yet they still claim to be seeking peace. Actually (and I'm on your side) Israel has no resolutions ratified against it because the United States of America has vetoed EVERY SINGLE ONE. Must be nice to be infallible. I love the fact that 3% of the U.S. population has so much influence on our foreign policy!!!(end sarcasm)
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Everyday Guy wrote: <quoted text> Look. If you read any of my posts that i used to write in the time i was still in school, you'll see that at SOME point, some very long and ephoric point, i used to believe that the problem we have here wil one day be solved. i can say with full mouth that those opinions has changed.silly child with innocent illusions wrote this. i joined the IDF, and instead of hearing things in the news and see them on television, i WAS there. those soldiers on the screen were no more blank braqve faces, but my freinds. people i slept next to, people i lived with. people who where like my siblings, and now they are in danger because of those terrorists. Why it was not published yet about the tragedy in Ashquelon?? Topix publish 5 headlines a day about the 'carnage' we do by protecting our towns, but not one post about the fact that a missle hit a shopping mall full of people, injuring at least 70 civilians, 90% of them women (a baby is now fighting for her life)? i just get so furious that people no more "bother" to read or try to even hear our point of view. everything we say is "zionist peopaganda", and everything they say is "pretecting their freedom". and i have selective opinions. right. I don't believe all Palestinians are bad. believe me, believeing that will be so very easy, but that will be like saying this conflict is only clack and white, and it's not. there are some, not many but some, Palestinians, who wish to be out of the mass that Hamas and the stupid Israeli goverment is pushing them into. i know that there are innocent people on their side, just like i know that there are soldiers on our side that like to be amused by abusing them. i know that, nothing new. but the world continue to see the easy picture, and that's what drives me crazy. i had two good freinds at high school. one was a Russian Christian girl. the other, Shiri, God bless her, was Arab. from her i learned that the conflict is more then one sided. but the side that i see now is that side which i see in my solder friends fighting for their lives, and the side that completely ignore their sacrifise. You tell me that it won't upset you.
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Mr Truthiness wrote: <quoted text>
LOL!! As far as kooks go, you really are an overachiever!
Going outside your legal borders is 'occupation' of land, you moron. say that to americans. who took land from the Indians. you must be experts, now don't you?
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Rick Moss wrote: <quoted text>
No, Israel isn't an occupying force in reality -- The land of the West Bank doesn't belong to anyone officially. Israeli forces are there to ensure that attacks aren't carried out on Israeli citizens in the territory. How did the fact that Jordan gave up the territory in the '80s automatically make it Muslim Palestinian? Prior to 1948, it was shared by Jewish/Christian/Muslim Palestinians.
If the Palestinians were actually interested in creating a state in it -- they would do so and make peace with Israel. If they insisted that it be a "Jew-Free" state then Israel would relocate its citizens precisely like it did in Gaza.
If there was a law anywhere that said Jews couldn't walk on the pavement with others, I would leave that place and go to a place where Jews could live in peace -- say, hmmm, Israel?
Yea, my moral compass is always on course -- I know that suicide bombing of civilians and raising your children to aspire to martyrdom is wrong. If you can’t understand that Israel is an occupying force then there is no point in debating with you. And also, you say your moral compass is on track as you don’t raise your children to aspire to martyrdom. I thought you guys had the IDF there? I thought your children were forced to take up arms and put their lives on the line for Israel. Is that something Israel is not proud of?
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Steve H wrote: <quoted text> Huh? A Muslim in Ireland? Interesting. USA is a thriving country because its early founders made it that. Israel though much smaller is thriving because of drip irrigation and other innovations which have literally created streams in the desert and a much higher standard of living for ALL of its citizens, Arab, Druze and Christian included. Those Arabs who abandoned Israel in 1948 hoping to to seize all of the land after the surrounding Arab armies supposedly overcame the Jewish occupants have been crying ever since. When Israel took over the west bank, gaza, etc. in an effort to preemptively push back the surrounding Arab nations again threatening to strike they did make a glaring mistake. They should have provided ALL services to the so called Palestinian inhabitants of these territories. They should have provided public schools so that their children would have had a good education and not be subjected to the poison of the madras. This mistake has and continues to hurt both the Palestinians and the Israelis to this day and I am surprised no one mentions it. There is a thriving Muslim community in Ireland, but I am not a Muslim. Not that it matters. But still, you think that if you create something you own it. Now if Iran bulldozed Israel to the ground and built a new Muslim homeland on it, would you just accept that Iran owns Israel as, they have created it?
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Everyday Guy wrote: <quoted text>
There is a thriving Muslim community in Ireland, but I am not a Muslim. Not that it matters.
But still, you think that if you create something you own it. Now if Iran bulldozed Israel to the ground and built a new Muslim homeland on it, would you just accept that Iran owns Israel as, they have created it? You can ask the same question about Americans. they have destroyed the Indian people and built buildings instead of tents. nobody remember anymore that it once blonged to them. though, nobody seems to forget OUR "occupation", though it written in any document and agreed on most of soures that this land Is ours. Americans didn't have any connection to the land of America before taking it by force. we at least have the bible and Ideology. what do you think is the different beetween that, and what the Nazis did, and what is Iran trying to do? very thin line sparate those all cased from one another. denying the history will be pintless.
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Lipush wrote: <quoted text>
You can ask the same question about Americans.
they have destroyed the Indian people and built buildings instead of tents.
nobody remember anymore that it once blonged to them.
though, nobody seems to forget OUR "occupation", though it written in any document and agreed on most of soures that this land Is ours.
Americans didn't have any connection to the land of America before taking it by force.
we at least have the bible and Ideology.
what do you think is the different beetween that, and what the Nazis did, and what is Iran trying to do?
very thin line sparate those all cased from one another. denying the history will be pintless. So it’s NOT ok that the Americans butchered the Native Americans, but it IS ok for the Israelis to butcher the Palestinians because you have the Bible and Ideology? That is not rational - On any level. You must have let the IDF get too deep inside your head! Militias such as the IDF and Hamas always use ideology and religion to excuse their killings. Wake up and see through the b*llshit
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Lipush wrote: <quoted text>
Look.
If you read any of my posts that i used to write in the time i was still in school, you'll see that at SOME point, some very long and ephoric point, i used to believe that the problem we have here wil one day be solved.
i can say with full mouth that those opinions has changed.silly child with innocent illusions wrote this. i joined the IDF, and instead of hearing things in the news and see them on television, i WAS there. those soldiers on the screen were no more blank braqve faces, but my freinds. people i slept next to, people i lived with. people who where like my siblings, and now they are in danger because of those terrorists.
Why it was not published yet about the tragedy in Ashquelon?? Topix publish 5 headlines a day about the 'carnage' we do by protecting our towns, but not one post about the fact that a missle hit a shopping mall full of people, injuring at least 70 civilians, 90% of them women (a baby is now fighting for her life)?
i just get so furious that people no more "bother" to read or try to even hear our point of view. everything we say is "zionist peopaganda", and everything they say is "pretecting their freedom".
and i have selective opinions. right.
I don't believe all Palestinians are bad. believe me, believeing that will be so very easy, but that will be like saying this conflict is only clack and white, and it's not. there are some, not many but some, Palestinians, who wish to be out of the mass that Hamas and the stupid Israeli goverment is pushing them into. i know that there are innocent people on their side, just like i know that there are soldiers on our side that like to be amused by abusing them. i know that, nothing new.
but the world continue to see the easy picture, and that's what drives me crazy.
i had two good freinds at high school. one was a Russian Christian girl. the other, Shiri, God bless her, was Arab. from her i learned that the conflict is more then one sided. but the side that i see now is that side which i see in my solder friends fighting for their lives, and the side that completely ignore their sacrifise.
You tell me that it won't upset you. I can’t speak for other countries, but when Israel gets attacked by the Palestinians it is all over the news in Ireland. Its very rare that you hear of yet another mother giving birth to a child while being denied entry to a hospital by a Zionist, or another Palestinian house getting bulldozed down to make room for a fleet of Israeli tanks to pass through the neighborhood, although it happens quite frequently. If you think the media is biased towards the Palestinians you are very mistaken! The general opinion of Muslims in general since 911 has been a negative one, all tarred with the same brush.
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It's really bothersome that people in Israel seem only concerned with depressing the Palestinians by keeping them contained, socially and economically. The US should stop sending Welfare money to Israel. The US government should hold Israel personally responsible for the continued plight of the Palestinians.
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Israel denied 94 percent of the building permit requests submitted by Palestinians living in Area C of the West Bank over the past seven years, the Peace Now group reported Thursday.
70,000 Palestinians live in Area C, which according to the Oslo Accord gives Israel full civilian and military control of the area.
In all, 91 of 1,624 requested permits were approved, Peace Now said. By
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ontrast, 18,472 apartments and homes were built between 2000 and September 2007 in Jewish West Bank settlements, the group said, citing Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics.
Military officials in the West Bank responsible for construction said the
figures were distorted.
Peace Now also said the army demolished 33 percent of the 4,993 cases of
illegal Palestinian construction against which it issued demolition orders. By contrast, 7 percent of the 2,900 cases of illegal settler construction that drew demolition orders were torn down, the group said.
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"Everyday Guy" I can’t speak for other countries, but when Israel gets attacked by the Palestinians it is all over the news in Ireland. Its very rare that you hear of yet another mother giving birth to a child while being denied entry to a hospital by a Zionist, or another Palestinian house getting bulldozed down to make room for a fleet of Israeli tanks to pass through the neighborhood, although it happens quite frequently. If you think the media is biased towards the Palestinians you are very mistaken! The general opinion of Muslims in general since 911 has been a negative one, all tarred with the same brush. ----- What country under attack treats its enemies? You say a "zionist" refused a mother entry to a hospital...why aren't Palestinians able to treat themselves? Even Arabs are at a loss to explain where the $65 Billion poured into the PLO went . (from Katar-home of Al Jezeera) http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news... And did that "mother" really need treatment? Welcome to Pallywood where corpses are reborn. Cue the ambulance, rehearse the scene and dupe the onlookers..... fake father and son -Pallywood http://www.youtube.com/watch... Al Dura -part two-from a Journalist, story was faked http://www.youtube.com/watch... corpse is reborn http://www.youtube.com/watch... pallywood -ambulance hits "victims" http://www.youtube.com/watch... failed suicide bomber -tries to kill doctor who treated her http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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greg_allen wrote: Israel denied 94 percent of the building permit requests submitted by Palestinians living in Area C of the West Bank over the past seven years, the Peace Now group reported Thursday.
70,000 Palestinians live in Area C, which according to the Oslo Accord gives Israel full civilian and military control of the area.
In all, 91 of 1,624 requested permits were approved, Peace Now said. By
c Advertisement
ontrast, 18,472 apartments and homes were built between 2000 and September 2007 in Jewish West Bank settlements, the group said, citing Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics.
Military officials in the West Bank responsible for construction said the
figures were distorted.
Peace Now also said the army demolished 33 percent of the 4,993 cases of
illegal Palestinian construction against which it issued demolition orders. By contrast, 7 percent of the 2,900 cases of illegal settler construction that drew demolition orders were torn down, the group said. Hmmm- let's see....rockets fired daily....range increasing to over 10 miles ...targets are hospitals, schools, homes and shopping centers... suicide bombers keep marching on to hit civilans...hatespeech calls for the destruction of your nation...your own extremists scream for revenge...what do you do? Wipeout the terrorists, and much of the Palestinian population with them? Or do you try-for over 50 years -to respond rationally>? Settlements to increase your buffer ? Power outs instead of bombing your enemy into obllivion? Increase your borders with walls and checkpoints instead of an all-out assault? Attack the actual locations of rocketfire instead of their logical terrorist sponsors? Israel is running out of reasonable options. At the peacetable you can always handover settlements-like greenhouses. But, to get to that stage, there has to be some gesture of reasonableness. Hezbollah has proven it is not reasonable in Lebanon. Why would it be reasonable with Israel? Up to the Arab World to either stand against terror or sucumb to it.
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settlements to increase your buffer? very interesting.
increase your borders with walls? strictly for security i guess?
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We need to arm the Palestinians so they can defend themselves.
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Down the drain wrote: We need to arm the Palestinians so they can defend themselves. Every male over the age of 8 has an AK-47 and an RPG. They seem pretty well armed to me.
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Rick Moss wrote: <quoted text>
Every male over the age of 8 has an AK-47 and an RPG. They seem pretty well armed to me. Against tanks, jets. Please. Level the playing field and will see the odds even
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my kind of town wrote: "Everyday Guy" I can’t speak for other countries, but when Israel gets attacked by the Palestinians it is all over the news in Ireland. Its very rare that you hear of yet another mother giving birth to a child while being denied entry to a hospital by a Zionist, or another Palestinian house getting bulldozed down to make room for a fleet of Israeli tanks to pass through the neighborhood, although it happens quite frequently. If you think the media is biased towards the Palestinians you are very mistaken! The general opinion of Muslims in general since 911 has been a negative one, all tarred with the same brush. ----- What country under attack treats its enemies? You say a "zionist" refused a mother entry to a hospital...why aren't Palestinians able to treat themselves? Even Arabs are at a loss to explain where the $65 Billion poured into the PLO went . (from Katar-home of Al Jezeera) http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news... And did that "mother" really need treatment? Welcome to Pallywood where corpses are reborn. Cue the ambulance, rehearse the scene and dupe the onlookers..... fake father and son -Pallywood http://www.youtube.com/watch... Al Dura -part two-from a Journalist, story was faked http://www.youtube.com/watch... corpse is reborn http://www.youtube.com/watch... pallywood -ambulance hits "victims" http://www.youtube.com/watch... failed suicide bomber -tries to kill doctor who treated her http://www.youtube.com/watch... If you think the Palestinian struggle is a conspiracy, then fine - Whatever gets you through the night.
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Everyday Guy wrote: <quoted text>
But still, you think that if you create something you own it. Now if Iran bulldozed Israel to the ground and built a new Muslim homeland on it, would you just accept that Iran owns Israel as, they have created it? First, why no comment on how Israel should have offered public education to Palestinians in occupied territories 40 years ago? Second, recent history should show you that Iran ability to "bulldoze" Israel and live to build a new Muslim homeland is highly unprobable.
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Correction, "improbable." The ability of Iran to bulldoze Israel and live to create a new Muslim state is very improbable. With or without US aid, after 60 years, Israel is here to stay, so get use to it.
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Mr Truthiness wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, America's great shame. That's why it's important to make sure it doesn't happen again.
You wouldn't want another holocaust to happen to anyone, would you? Of courst not. And YOU?!
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