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Sick of it - Columbia MD
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I am not surprised that so many African Americans get suspended. We are a black family and I am so tired of the issues going on at the school with so many black kids. I mean, where are the parents? Why aren't these kids being raised correctly? My son goes to a school where he is a minority, yet all of the problems are still with the black children. I am tired of it. I am not raising my kid like this, but so many young black boys are troublemakers. Why? If there is a fight at the school, mostly likely, guess who is involved?
Last week, one of those troubled kids yelled at my son IN CLASS with the teacher there and everything. He told my son to Shut the F Up while there were having a discussion in class. He threw a pencil at my son, also. My son threw the pencil back at him, and this kid jumps up and starts hitting my son. All he got was a 3 day suspension, something he gets all the time apparently. He is 15 in the 8th grade. Now that he is back, my son tells me he is still saying the F-word right in class. No respect. I am tired of it, Sorry, I feel like moving to an area where all the kids in my son's school are of other races.
Other African Americans will call it self hate, blah blah blah. Nope it is just wanting safety and peace for my family.
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Lamont
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No school system has what you call "zero tolerance." However, you may recall the new wave of violence that your paper has reported throughout this school year. This violence does not crop up over night. it is the natural progression of schools or systems that allow pupils to go without consequences for what some call "minor offenses. If systems fail to nip minor behaviors in the bud, students move on to see how much more they can get away with. Baltimore County has the right idea when it calls for tough consequences. Also, please do not misrepresent suspensions for absences. These suspensions are given to students who walk the hallways and refuse to go to class OR those who walk in and out of school buildings when they belong in class. This particular group of pupils are the one who typically are drinking alcohol, smoking dope, carrying weapons, selling drugs, setting fires, and assaulting other youths (they are often acting out order of their gang leaders). This group creates chaos in the learning environment for the 90% who are doing the right thing and coming to school each day for a great education.
It's time the Sun spends more time focusing on those who want and education than those who drink beer , smoke marijuana, assault teachers and peers, and destroy what taxpayers invest in for the good of the community.
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Mike Baltimore
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EC wrote "where was dad". Hey more than half of the mothers don't know who the dad was!!!!!!!!!!
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Burt From Essex
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I was apalled at the headine until I saw it was the same bleeding heaart liberal "supposed" reporter who wrote the article criticizing the teacher who got beat up.You are a piss poor excuse for a reporter who obviously has a personal agenda that is very poorly concealed.This drivel of an article is pretty much what I have come to expect from the Voice of the Democrats,also known as the Sun.But you obviously spent an awful lot of time with the parents of these disruptive students,how much time have you spent in an actual school,like Stemmers Run or Golden Ring Middle in the county?How much time did you spend with the teachers and the administrators who try to run these schools with limited resources and backing,not monetarily,mostly administratively.HAving substituted and driven for over 30 schools in just the Eastern Baltimore County area alone,I found your article to be blatantly misleading and factually untrue.Nice try Liz,maybe you'll get a Pulitzer from the rest of the bleeding heart liberals.And Chris you were and still are part of the problem.Nice of you to rewrite the Costitution and The Ten Commandments for us.I can only hope I'm around when you question some of the "authority figures" in uniform,now that would be fun to watch.
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CHARLES SMITH
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WHEM YOU TAKE GOD OUT OF EVERY THING YOU PAY FOR IT.PSALM 9 THE WICKED SHALL BE TURNED INTO HELL,AND ALL THE NATIONS THST FORGET GOD.YOU
ARE SEE IT EVERY WHERE
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frontlineobserve r
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I had coins thrown at me, and I was body slammed last week. Too bad Liz Bowie wasn't there to report on these "minor infractions"? last year Baltimore City schools had over 500 assaults on teachers. It's obvious Ms. Bowie cares more about those who disrupt the learning environment than their victims trying to learn. The whole article details the enormity of the behavior problem, and yet on these three pages there's only a brief mention one program which hasn't shown much success.
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norm
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Single parents can and do raise their there kids right. Read Dan Rodricks Triplet scouts are tribute to mother in todays Sun. I think other single parents could do the same if they gave their children the attention that they need.
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Bud
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The way you write, man if you're one of the smartest God help us all. It just goes to show what dumb asses we are graduating and sending in the work force. I see it every day. They can't read or write or spell or add and they had degrees. Sad for me sad for the company and very sad for this country. Christopher wrote: Here are a few questions I have for them.
Number One: Why are so many black or minority children suspended from schools for things that white children are not suspended from schools for? I saw this when I was in high school, and I absolutely never understood it!
Number Two: Why don't they realize that most times, when a child or teenager is misbehaving in school, it is because they ALREADY KNOW what a teacher is teaching them? That is the MAJOR reason why I was a 'problem student' in elementary school, because nearly everything they were supposed to be 'teaching me', I already knew how to do so I was bored out of my mind! I know many other students who that was the problem with their misbehavior in school.
And also, let me get this straight: they are suspending students for 'talking back to a teacher'? Did they ever think that maybe the teacher DESERVED to be talked back to, as one teacher in high school did when I talked back to him and was supported by the whole rest of the class, and the parents of the other students when they found out about it?
Suspending a student for saying something 'mean' to another student? That is not worth a suspension. That isn't even worth a trip to the principals office!
As to the issue of 'zero tolerance'..... zero tolerance is stupid and counterproductive. Even the PEOPLE WHO INVENTED IT 20 YEARS AGO ARE SAYING THAT!
On the last point: disruption of schools? Please. Every time someone is bucking the system, they bring that STUPID argument up.
Most time, the 'disruption' of the school isn't really a disruption at all. One time, a teacher was going to send another child to the principal for asking a bunch of questions in class, saying "He should know this stuff!" I stood up and told her "Listen, I am one of your better students, and if I wasn't so perpetually shy, I WOULD BE ASKING YOU THESE SAME QUESTIONS!" That changed her mind.
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Mark
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Christopher, your comments make it eminently obvious that a generation has been lost. You are the embodiment of the problem. You have no concept of respect for authority. It's all about you. You need to become a teacher for a while in one of the worst schools Maryland has to offer and let's see how fast you change your tune. Grow up.
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Parkville
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from EC wrote: <quoted text>
Christopher, you have got a screw loose. A screw loose? I would say several.
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Parkville
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The average person has no idea what goes on in some schools. I've taught in what is considered a tough high school and its unbelievable what is allowed to happen. The reason the violence figures are not through the roof is that they just aren't reported. They don't want to shed a bad light on the school. Another thing is that many students have IEP's, which give them carte blanche. We had a student that would go around punching kids in the face, but, since his IEP was for violence, nothing could be done to him. The government is only concerned with these disruptive kids and the danger of them becoming hardened criminals instead of worrying about the kids that are doing the right things. Many of these distruptive kids are gang members, drug-dealers, murderers, etc. This is all swept under the rug. Many unsuspecting parents send their kids off to school each day thinking that they're going to a safe environment. This is not the case. Serious criminals are allowed to remain in schools because the govt. doesn't want them out on the streets. A student could be caught with a gun, but parents would not be notified because its against the gunman's rights.
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Qstorm376
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I teach in Baltimore County - we need
Vocational Training at a younger age.
Some of these students are headed straight to jail unless they learn a trade!
They can make a ton of money and enjoy a productive life if just led in the right direction.
But this "every child needs to be a doctor" crap is killing us.
Some kids are just TOO STUPID or have no chance coming from a home that is ridiculous.
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get serious
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Christopher wrote: <quoted text>
The problem is that it is usually only 'society' saying that a choice is bad. Frankly,'society' has no right to push THEIR beliefs on other people, except in three areas: do not kill, do not steal, and do not force someone into sex with threats of force or actual physical force.
That is IT as to what society is allowed to dictate to other people.
I'll be blunt: I want my children to challenge authority figures. I want OTHER children to challenge authority figures, and I tell them ALL THE TIME that they should challenge authority figures if something they hear from those authority figures does not 'ring true' for them. Christopher, Perhaps you should open an alternative school and see how well you do with this approach. It cropped up big time in the '60s and didn't do so well. I'll grant you there are some teachers who may not be deserving of much respect. I had a few myself but if we're going to let the individual student decide who they want to respect then we might as well close the public schools. By the way do you work for yourself?
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get serious
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Qstorm376 wrote: I teach in Baltimore County - we need
Vocational Training at a younger age.
Some of these students are headed straight to jail unless they learn a trade!
They can make a ton of money and enjoy a productive life if just led in the right direction.
But this "every child needs to be a doctor" crap is killing us.
Some kids are just TOO STUPID or have no chance coming from a home that is ridiculous. I don't know if I would put it quite that way, but yes we shouldn't continue to hold to the myth that a serious academic education is appropriate for all. Obviously not many do not complete it. I used to teach math and there are many students, no matter what you do, that are not going to succeed at advanced high school courses. Some will never get basic algebra.
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get serious
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Yes I realize I made a grammatical error in the last post. I didn't say I taught English.
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M_K_S
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Some people are simply not for school. Involving politics, illogical logics, inflammatory rhetoric etc. to disprove the undisprovable won't help anybody, least those who are supposed to benefit. I personally think that such authors and politicians, just search for possibilities to put some salt on the wound, just for the sake of own interests.
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Doctor Dale
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Baltimore county's school problems are increasing with the same rate as blacks moving into baltimore county.. the problems increase the quality of education decreases!
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Earl
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Wow, Christopher. God help the teachers who have to teach your children. Maybe you should keep your kids at home. And fyi, in a classroom the teacher does have the right to establish rules and if someone doesn't want to follow them, he can leave. Getting an education should be seen as a privelege, not a right. Kids can't just do whatever they want. That's how you end up with what we have now.
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Reggie
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Your bitterness towards our youth does nothing to help solve the problem. Have you ever thought that just as you are so obviously bitter; they are bitter as well, but for other reasons. Think outside of your own selfishness.
Perhaps you would benefit from counseling.
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JEM PGH Pa
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I think we should look at the school
system, when we could discipline children and now that we can't. I would never hurt a child or anyone
else,discipline never hurt me when I
was a child.It would not hurt if teachers taught for a desire to help
children and not for the highest wage
they can get.
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