Finally got my store manager to talk

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#1 Feb 21, 2012
Ok I finally got my store manager to close the office door and tell me what he knew.

Here is what he said he knew as fact.

Regular Hours store:

-Store manager
-Assistant store manager (ASM)
-2 STL's

24 Hour community leader store:

-Community leader (spends 60% of time in other stores)
-ASM (runs day to day operation of store)
-Assistant store manager trainee (ASMT)
-2 STL's
-2 STL'S on 3rd shift????(He did not know the 3rd shift situation)

He has not heard what is going on with 3rd shift. But if they are going to try to pay them STL pay thats insulting.

He said STL's will probably make more than they make now, like 12 or 13 an hour.

He did not know the new pay rates for the new positions and which were salary or hourly.

The ASMT position will probably be paid what current MGT's make now and they will have to cover vacations at the community's other stores, or sick days.

Word is that MGT's will be given until the end of 2014 to secure an ASMT or ASM position. If they do not, they must take STL.

This is everything he had to say, he said the biggest questions remaining were 3rd shift and the pay rates for everyone.

What im guessing for pay rates is this

ASM will make 40k salary with a bonus
ASMT will make 35k salary or cureent MGT hourly pay
STL will start out at 12 or 13 an hour.

Since: Feb 12

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#2 Feb 21, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
Ok I finally got my store manager to close the office door and tell me what he knew.
Here is what he said he knew as fact.
Regular Hours store:
-Store manager
-Assistant store manager (ASM)
-2 STL's
24 Hour community leader store:
-Community leader (spends 60% of time in other stores)
-ASM (runs day to day operation of store)
-Assistant store manager trainee (ASMT)
-2 STL's
-2 STL'S on 3rd shift????(He did not know the 3rd shift situation)
He has not heard what is going on with 3rd shift. But if they are going to try to pay them STL pay thats insulting.
He said STL's will probably make more than they make now, like 12 or 13 an hour.
He did not know the new pay rates for the new positions and which were salary or hourly.
The ASMT position will probably be paid what current MGT's make now and they will have to cover vacations at the community's other stores, or sick days.
Word is that MGT's will be given until the end of 2014 to secure an ASMT or ASM position. If they do not, they must take STL.
This is everything he had to say, he said the biggest questions remaining were 3rd shift and the pay rates for everyone.
What im guessing for pay rates is this
ASM will make 40k salary with a bonus
ASMT will make 35k salary or cureent MGT hourly pay
STL will start out at 12 or 13 an hour.
so your saying there is not a new title for STL like others are saying? Also what if you already make more than the 12 to 13 dollars?

Since: Feb 12

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#3 Feb 21, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
Ok I finally got my store manager to close the office door and tell me what he knew.
Here is what he said he knew as fact.
Regular Hours store:
-Store manager
-Assistant store manager (ASM)
-2 STL's
24 Hour community leader store:
-Community leader (spends 60% of time in other stores)
-ASM (runs day to day operation of store)
-Assistant store manager trainee (ASMT)
-2 STL's
-2 STL'S on 3rd shift????(He did not know the 3rd shift situation)
He has not heard what is going on with 3rd shift. But if they are going to try to pay them STL pay thats insulting.
He said STL's will probably make more than they make now, like 12 or 13 an hour.
He did not know the new pay rates for the new positions and which were salary or hourly.
The ASMT position will probably be paid what current MGT's make now and they will have to cover vacations at the community's other stores, or sick days.
Word is that MGT's will be given until the end of 2014 to secure an ASMT or ASM position. If they do not, they must take STL.
This is everything he had to say, he said the biggest questions remaining were 3rd shift and the pay rates for everyone.
What im guessing for pay rates is this
ASM will make 40k salary with a bonus
ASMT will make 35k salary or cureent MGT hourly pay
STL will start out at 12 or 13 an hour.
I find it strange your manager would tell you anything as I heard ours were told not to tell anything or fear getting fired.

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#4 Feb 21, 2012
julieax01 wrote:
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so your saying there is not a new title for STL like others are saying? Also what if you already make more than the 12 to 13 dollars?
Are you a STL?

Because if you are and you make more than 13/hour im honestly shocked.

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#5 Feb 21, 2012
julieax01 wrote:
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I find it strange your manager would tell you anything as I heard ours were told not to tell anything or fear getting fired.
Sorry, my SM did say "team lead". I guess i just took it as STL. But your right, im sure it will be called "TEAM LEAD"
George

Cleveland, TN

#6 Feb 21, 2012
Where are you coming up with your pay rates?

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#7 Feb 21, 2012
julieax01 wrote:
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I find it strange your manager would tell you anything as I heard ours were told not to tell anything or fear getting fired.
Thats because my store manager respects me and the cat is already out of the bag anyway. Besdies, "we never had this converstion."

It happens all the time. He tell me everything almost.

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#8 Feb 21, 2012
George wrote:
Where are you coming up with your pay rates?
IM pulling them out of my butt and hoping i am right. We will find out the pay rates in may according to rumors.

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#9 Feb 21, 2012
WorRYWag wrote:
I m finally awake.
Roadshow PowerPoint
1) store managers are safe 4 now
2) exa gone next year, new position assistant store manager for qualified exa
3) mgt/stl gone 2014, the qualified ones can applied 4 asm or asmt(assistant store manager trainee)
4) each store has 1 store manager, 1 asm, and base on volume around 3 team lead.
5) CL will also get an asmt since they need to visit their community store 60% of the time.
6) everyone gets a check list and will take ppl responsible for anything not done
7) no career Mgt or Exa, either move up or move out
8) Pay increase will be performance base which is base on your assigned task
9) team lead will start at a new rate for old mgt/exa. Rates will be out around May.
10) mgr were told not to spell it out until march 12 when all roadshows are completed.
Do your job well, you will be okay. If you had been just riding along, sorry that will be a good bye for you!
Good luck! God bless you all!
Quoted a previous post. This just brings the same scenario from a different source interesting... They may not be lying on this one.
Geraldo

Fort Worth, TX

#10 Feb 21, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
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Are you a STL?
Because if you are and you make more than 13/hour im honestly shocked.
yep, mine makes $10/hr

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#11 Feb 21, 2012
AnonymousWAG wrote:
<quoted text> Quoted a previous post. This just brings the same scenario from a different source interesting... They may not be lying on this one.
exactly

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#12 Feb 21, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
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Thats because my store manager respects me and the cat is already out of the bag anyway. Besdies, "we never had this converstion."
It happens all the time. He tell me everything almost.
yeah i do find it funny they are still going to make us wait when we all know for the most part how this is all going to play out. my store manager said I would be fine but everyones definition of fine is different. Hmmm

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#13 Feb 21, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a STL?
Because if you are and you make more than 13/hour im honestly shocked.
been around for 17 years was a certified senior tech (still certified)and I hear there are ones who make more than me.

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#14 Feb 21, 2012
"the end of 2014 to... "

I think your SM has some bad information, OR depending on your market, you're short on MGTs and EXAs.

The bottom line is that our finances will not allow this company to "wander" or float labor costs for two years on a "if/when" basis. It's impossible to set or project budgets that way.

A far more likely scenario is for the company to first offer a buyout for affected employees who have more than 20 years service, then begin realigning and transferring remaining management employees to fill any voids.

Along the way, any management or STL who refuses the transfer will be separated, same as any MGT who declines to interview for a "new position" or accept being re-coded.

Labor laws are pretty clear and specific about re-coding/re-classifying a worker's job description and pay without their knowledge or agreement. Most employees (reluctantly) agree because they need the job. But WAG will not be able to just arbitrarily re-code STLs, MGTs and EXAs without those employees' consent and agreement.

Doing otherwise would open up an almost automatic class-action lawsuit that would bring WAG to its knees--especially if the plaintiffs took it in front of a jury.

I was about to say, "I'd wait for some more definitive information," but it's becoming very clear that WAG has no intention of doing right by their managers, thus the continuing silence.

Good companies communicate with their employees at all times, about all aspects of their employment, even when the news may not be good or welcome.

This is not how Dan or Dave would've handled things.

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#15 Feb 21, 2012
AnonymousWAG wrote:
<quoted text> Quoted a previous post. This just brings the same scenario from a different source interesting... They may not be lying on this one.
but where would the asst sore manager trainee fit in?

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#16 Feb 21, 2012
Pimped by WAG wrote:
"the end of 2014 to... "
I think your SM has some bad information, OR depending on your market, you're short on MGTs and EXAs.
The bottom line is that our finances will not allow this company to "wander" or float labor costs for two years on a "if/when" basis. It's impossible to set or project budgets that way.
A far more likely scenario is for the company to first offer a buyout for affected employees who have more than 20 years service, then begin realigning and transferring remaining management employees to fill any voids.
Along the way, any management or STL who refuses the transfer will be separated, same as any MGT who declines to interview for a "new position" or accept being re-coded.
Labor laws are pretty clear and specific about re-coding/re-classifying a worker's job description and pay without their knowledge or agreement. Most employees (reluctantly) agree because they need the job. But WAG will not be able to just arbitrarily re-code STLs, MGTs and EXAs without those employees' consent and agreement.
Doing otherwise would open up an almost automatic class-action lawsuit that would bring WAG to its knees--especially if the plaintiffs took it in front of a jury.
I was about to say, "I'd wait for some more definitive information," but it's becoming very clear that WAG has no intention of doing right by their managers, thus the continuing silence.
Good companies communicate with their employees at all times, about all aspects of their employment, even when the news may not be good or welcome.
This is not how Dan or Dave would've handled things.
they can't transfer an stl we are not part of management.
WhatsThePoint

United States

#17 Feb 21, 2012
Can't transfer stl? What world are you in. In my district they get moved as often as any other manager

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#18 Feb 21, 2012
julieax01 wrote:
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but where would the asst sore manager trainee fit in?
4) each store has 1 store manager, 1 asm, and base on volume around 3 team lead.
5) CL will also get an asmt since they need to visit their community store 60% of the time.
I'm just assuming he meant CL will get an extra ASMT

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#19 Feb 21, 2012
"they can't transfer an stl we are not part of management. "

If a CL "needs" you at one of her other stores and you refuse, guess where you'll be come next re-coding or realignment?

We were told, implicitly, to communicate to all staff that the needs of the company would supercede the convenience of the employee(s) and that it would be the employees' job to accommodate the company rather than the company accommodating the employee.
pullmyfingah

United States

#20 Feb 21, 2012
What's the future for store mgrs ..I can't see them hanging out in store thru year ..for what?..this is a guess,say 30 stores and you assign 1 Cl for 5stores,that means you keep 6 sm's ..then 24 have to go...I'm thinking they will be offered similar severance deal like corporate ..ones who think they won't get Cl post will take it.

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