Rough sailing for cruise terminal

Come on... With the big cruise ships at the old supertanker dock, it'll look great. It was a supertanker dock before, with boats and the beach in the same relative positions back then as now. As for the business district, put Janet Gunther, Peter Warren, Noel Park, et al, standing down on Harbor Blvd. swinging hand signs directing the traffic to the business district.

The Port is building a second Liquified Natural Gas Facility (LNG) facility in Wilmington....Yet the "activists" don't object to anything about that....They are more concerned with docking a large ship in the outer harbor....What's wrong with this picture??

Always the same narrow-minded opinions from the NIMBYs on this one. The north terminal will still operate. People will still go downtown. When the south terminal opens, it will simply mean those people are likely to patronize that end of town. Or perhaps the NIMBYs would just like to see all cruise ship business handled out of Long Beach, eh?

Build it and they will come(with mopney).
Just get on with it!

NO

noetbook wrote:

DO EVERYTHING FOR LA AND NOTHING FOR SAN PEDRO. NO!

News for "noetbook": San Pedro IS L.A.

spedran wrote:

Build it and they will come(with mopney).
Just get on with it!

And they will drive right past us with the money, leaving none here. The cruise terminal at Kaiser Point will not help San POedro businesses- It will jus increase traffic on Harbor and make a bigger barrier to the waterfront. Redevelop the downtown terminal- do some shared parking so people have a chance to patronize our businesses. We live with the consequences of the cruise business, it's only fair we get some of the benefits as well.

Old Blood and Guts wrote:

The Port is building a second Liquified Natural Gas Facility (LNG) facility in Wilmington....Yet the "activists" don't object to anything about that....They are more concerned with docking a large ship in the outer harbor....What's wrong with this picture??

Not true. There were many meetings where people protested and brought up the safety concerns. The Port said that not putting it in would be the death of business, just like they are saying with the outer harbor terminal, that if we don't go along quietly, the town will dry up and die. As usual, the Port did what was good for the Port. From where I sit, doing what is good for the port doesn't mean what's good for the Harbor communities. We languish while they count the money that goes to the Port and downtown LA.

formerly really wrote:

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Not true. There were many meetings where people protested and brought up the safety concerns. The Port said that not putting it in would be the death of business, just like they are saying with the outer harbor terminal, that if we don't go along quietly, the town will dry up and die. As usual, the Port did what was good for the Port. From where I sit, doing what is good for the port doesn't mean what's good for the Harbor communities. We languish while they count the money that goes to the Port and downtown LA.

Thanks for setting me straight......

Old Blood and Guts wrote:

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Thanks for setting me straight......

Well, there are too many meetings- it's hard to keep track of them all.

formerly really wrote:

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Well, there are too many meetings- it's hard to keep track of them all.

;Unless you have something to say that hasn't already been said, trying to attend all of them is worth less than the effort. The usual scenario is the "nut squad" creates a hoopla la over whatever because they aren't happy with anything and then whichever agency is involved goes ahead with the right thing to do anyway. That's the usual process. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

SUPPORT THE TERMINAL!! POLA WILL BUILD IT ANYWAY!!

SMILE WHEN ALL THE MONEY POURSINTO PEDRO!

Recreational boating largely desappeared when the island was expanded. Time for pedro to grow up!

Stop crying! Traffic is bad everywhere so what!!

slug wrote:

<quoted text>;Unless you have something to say that hasn't already been said, trying to attend all of them is worth less than the effort. The usual scenario is the "nut squad" creates a hoopla la over whatever because they aren't happy with anything and then whichever agency is involved goes ahead with the right thing to do anyway. That's the usual process. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

This is where I have to disagree with you. The agency involved can't be counted on to do the right thing. In fact, the agency involved can usually be counted on to do whatever it is that will line the pockets of the agency or political supporters. What do you expect from a city where the Mayor only spends 11% of his time actually doing the business of the city?

formerly really wrote:

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This is where I have to disagree with you. The agency involved can't be counted on to do the right thing. In fact, the agency involved can usually be counted on to do whatever it is that will line the pockets of the agency or political supporters. What do you expect from a city where the Mayor only spends 11% of his time actually doing the business of the city?

Whether it is the Sanitation District (new outfall), the LAUSD (new high school) or the City (new cruise terminal), the government agency usually takes into account more than just a small bunch of small minded loud mouth NIMBYS. The later groups can sometimes provide valuable input, but they see the scope of their influence greater than it really is (and greater than it should be) so they act like they're kings of the hill. On the other note, I'm not sure the Mayor spending only 11% of his time governing the city is such a bad thing. Would you agree?

slug wrote:

<quoted text>Whether it is the Sanitation District (new outfall), the LAUSD (new high school) or the City (new cruise terminal), the government agency usually takes into account more than just a small bunch of small minded loud mouth NIMBYS. The later groups can sometimes provide valuable input, but they see the scope of their influence greater than it really is (and greater than it should be) so they act like they're kings of the hill. On the other note, I'm not sure the Mayor spending only 11% of his time governing the city is such a bad thing. Would you agree?

Are you seriously arguning that San Pedro sacrificing a public park for an outfall that doesn't even serve the area is a good idea? That sending all that treated fresh water out to the ocean, at great expense and with a high pollution cost when we have a water shortage is the best solution Sanitation can come up with? That's in the best interest of the larger community? Slug, I haven't figured out who you are yet, but seriously, if you think this is a NIMBY thing, you are way off base and need to get out more. Look at the big picture.

slug wrote:

<quoted text>Whether it is the Sanitation District (new outfall), the LAUSD (new high school) or the City (new cruise terminal), the government agency usually takes into account more than just a small bunch of small minded loud mouth NIMBYS. The later groups can sometimes provide valuable input, but they see the scope of their influence greater than it really is (and greater than it should be) so they act like they're kings of the hill. On the other note, I'm not sure the Mayor spending only 11% of his time governing the city is such a bad thing. Would you agree?

And by the way, if anyone is acting like the "kings of the hill" it's our so-called public servants supposedly running the city. The state of the city is a disgrace. If the City of LA can't even manage trash pickup, they certainly aren't qualified to deal with larger issues. If what it takes to get them off their well paid derrieres is "loud-mouth" action, then so be it.

formerly really wrote:

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Are you seriously arguning that San Pedro sacrificing a public park for an outfall that doesn't even serve the area is a good idea? That sending all that treated fresh water out to the ocean, at great expense and with a high pollution cost when we have a water shortage is the best solution Sanitation can come up with? That's in the best interest of the larger community? Slug, I haven't figured out who you are yet, but seriously, if you think this is a NIMBY thing, you are way off base and need to get out more. Look at the big picture.

Waste water going out to the ocean has got to be cheaper (and more desirable) than making it into drinking water. Farming use water is too cheap and excessive. Shifting part of the cost burden to them will give us sufficient water to make up for the shortages if the farmers' cost is high enough to motivate them to use serious conservation practices. And, BTW, who are you?

formerly really wrote:

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And by the way, if anyone is acting like the "kings of the hill" it's our so-called public servants supposedly running the city. The state of the city is a disgrace. If the City of LA can't even manage trash pickup, they certainly aren't qualified to deal with larger issues. If what it takes to get them off their well paid derrieres is "loud-mouth" action, then so be it.

You criticize the city while conveniently ignoring my solid points about the public obstructionist group(s).

The city is a big bureaucracy and will always be subject to criticism. But, it also serves the people - even as the population grows while the per capita resources to serve that population drops because the average income drops, too. That's the dilemma.

Some want to add more taxation to satiate the thirst for more services for a denser population. If government limits its functions more to the common functions, the costs can be reasonably contained and those functions can be performed reasonably successfully. If that happens, the private sector should thrive and the need for the uncommon, or redistributive, functions of government shouldn't see much support. Meanwhile, resources should grow as the economy expands. With NIMBYs, you get nothing but a horse and buggy environment.

Nimbys rule!
WE have stopped ponte vista!!
San pedro is on its way to higher density than hong kong!!
We got the field at knoll hill!!
WE rule!!