Berea calls for more consultation on Parker Seal deal

Mar 18, 2009 Full story: www.kynews.org 11

" Citing incomplete data, the Berea City Council has opted for further study before making a final decision about the purchase of the Parker Seal building on Lewis St.

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Older than dirt

Jackson, KY

#1 Mar 21, 2009
Yet another thing for the City of Berea to waste tax dollars on. What in the world would they do with that decrepit old building?
Diddle

Somerset, KY

#2 Mar 21, 2009
I just don't think this is a good idea.

I know the price is nice, but there is no clear understanding about the potential for future environmental probelms.

Now, I AN NOT and environmentalist. And I DO NOT have a problem with turning the property into something useful IF there is some recourse should problems arise.

A Police Roll-Call center? Do we really need this?
Has law enforcement became that complicated? I remeber when the officers done their paperwork in their cars or at the station. Then it became necessary for the officers to have meeting room. That took the county's alternate EOC (basement of city hall.)

Then each officer needed a desk. Police then move to the old Post Office building.

Now we need a roll-call center? How big is this thing going to get? Will it come to every officer needing a building of their own?

I know these people put their life on the line daily for us citizens. But realistically, this is getting out of control. How much space can a police department of a city of 13,000 people need?

As far as addressing the crime issues in Jefferson/Apple Grove park area, explain to me exactally how a roll-call center in that area would be something that would help control crime.

Berea city government is on the verge of spending too much money on property.

I remember watching the Council meeting where Mayor Connelly was opening bids for roof repairs on city property. His comment: welcome to being landlords.

What we need right now is less spending, smaller government and more attention paid to the needs of the average Berea citizen as a tax payer.

Right now there is a grass roots effort to try to get a small pistol / archery range in Berea. Managed properly, this can be a source of revenue for the city. Even the people working on this, Craig Still, comes to mind is willing to spend out of pocket money as are others to get this going with a limited load on the city.

On the otherhand the city is willing to spend 50,000 on a skateboard park which as I understand would not generate any financial revenue for the city.

I really think evey Berea resident should make a trek to Council meetings and voice their opinions. I am way too old to even attempt to learn to use a skateboard but I rather proficient with a pistol and would be willing to pay a monthly or annual fee for membership to such a place locally rather than spending my money in Paris or Lexington.

If the Council wants to spend money, I recommend it be on something that the people can enjoy and something that will return some revenue to the city while conserving transportation resources.
(Read that as gas money spent to travel somewhere else.)

There is a nice opportunity laying here in the table for Berea. One which will bring in people who will spend money in Berea. Let's see what our city leaders choose to do.
Sparky

Lexington, KY

#3 Mar 21, 2009
I agree with much of what you are saying Diddle. I would add that we already have people in the city that own commercial property that they rent, own gyms, have meeting space possibly. I feel that if you are going to impose a tax on a businesses then maybe instead of trying to replicate their services using tax dollars then they could get a long term contract with them and try to patronize local businesses. I think that the Parker property would be fine but not for the city. Let a private person buy it if it is so great then instead of a liability for Berea it is a potential source of revenue.
Chris

Berea, KY

#4 Mar 25, 2009
What's wrong with a skate-park in Berea? I understand the money aspect of your points, but, in order to keep kids out of trouble, you have to give them something to do. I'm sorry to tell you though that the majority of our town's population is in the 20-25 year old age range and and what will a 21 year old go do in his free time? Well, if there is nothing "productive to do" they will resort to whatever is available which is not productive at all, I assure you. Teens start abusing drugs and partying, THEN, have to find some means to afford their bad habits. therefore increasing your break-ins, vandalism(remember the stolen statue from the new leisure park?) Which I do believe the projected location is very close to the problem areas you were referring to, possibly eliminating some of the trouble around that area of the community.
OR, we could just build another church... ya know, like the other 35 (and counting) churches that are already strewn all over Berea and hope that religion fixes everything. sheesh
You dont ever hear about so n' so shooting at a burglar that was trying to rob their house, and you know that little info would spread around this community like a wildfire. So, why do you have to practice in berea? other than REVENUE? They obviously are figuring out ways to stay out of the way of your gun.
Surely there is another way we can raise money for our community rather than opening a firing. range. how bout a movie theatre, especially with the prices they charge now-a-days. How about a small locally owned shopping center of some sorts. Possibly quit building copper statues in the middle of town. How much was that again? BUT ITS SOOOO BEAUTIFUL! phh Its just a slap in my face, reminding me everytime i drive by that this is the shit Steve Connely is buying with my tax money.
I say we just build a church in parker seals place and let the great and honorable steve connely pull us out of this mess.
Im just debating, so don't fire back at me with wrath of god. i bruise like a banana. lol
Now don't get me wrong though!
I support guns and always will. BUT, IN BEREA? Drive down 1016 for 3 or 4 miles and go to that shooting range out in the middle of farmland. I have to drive to lexington to Legally be able to have fun on my skateboard. what about my "Transportation Resources"?
Diddle

London, KY

#5 Mar 25, 2009
Interesting...

The range at the WMA is not for handguns. Rifle only.

Movie theater. Berea can't support one. We had one and it died. At that time the oner or manager would order a movie based on anticipated attendeance. In other words, you leased the movie assuming the audience would be say 500 people. If you ran under that at the end of the run, you get a credit on your next lease movie. If you ran over, you paid a penality.

So in a small town like Berea and with attractions better to the north, you can see why it went under.

As far as teen geting into trouble - I suspect it is a choice rather than the lack of things to do.

When I was growing up (here in Berea) there was far less to do than today. I was raised by a singe parent who died when I was young. But for what ever reason, I have never been in jail, stoped by the Police, comitted any major crime (mis. or fel.) killed anyone never been divorced never shuned civic duty or done hard druge. Yes smoked pot and YES I most certainly DID inhale.

So if I turned out OK I am sure many others today could do better with the same or less.
Chris

Berea, KY

#6 Mar 25, 2009
touche' my dear. too tired to respond. We will continue later. please this is fun
Informed Citizen of Berea

Berea, KY

#7 Mar 25, 2009
If you were as informed as you say you are you would know that Parker Seal has accepted all responsiblility for any enviromental issues that arise from the manufacturing process for now and in the furture. Secondly it is not run down over 50% of the building was rebuilt after the 1998 tornado destroyed that portion of the property. This property has been tested 4 time and been given a clean bill of health each time. This property I have been told appraised for almost a million dollars, and the city could aquire it for $150,000.00 what a bargin. There is an area in side the building that would house a balketball court, ther is room for indoor soccer, game tables, video games, meeting rooms, wedding receptions, family reunions and the list goes on and on.
As in informed citizen I say buy it.

Diddle wrote:
I just don't think this is a good idea.
I know the price is nice, but there is no clear understanding about the potential for future environmental probelms.
Now, I AN NOT and environmentalist. And I DO NOT have a problem with turning the property into something useful IF there is some recourse should problems arise.
A Police Roll-Call center? Do we really need this?
Has law enforcement became that complicated? I remeber when the officers done their paperwork in their cars or at the station. Then it became necessary for the officers to have meeting room. That took the county's alternate EOC (basement of city hall.)
Then each officer needed a desk. Police then move to the old Post Office building.
Now we need a roll-call center? How big is this thing going to get? Will it come to every officer needing a building of their own?
I know these people put their life on the line daily for us citizens. But realistically, this is getting out of control. How much space can a police department of a city of 13,000 people need?
As far as addressing the crime issues in Jefferson/Apple Grove park area, explain to me exactally how a roll-call center in that area would be something that would help control crime.
Berea city government is on the verge of spending too much money on property.
I remember watching the Council meeting where Mayor Connelly was opening bids for roof repairs on city property. His comment: welcome to being landlords.
What we need right now is less spending, smaller government and more attention paid to the needs of the average Berea citizen as a tax payer.
Right now there is a grass roots effort to try to get a small pistol / archery range in Berea. Managed properly, this can be a source of revenue for the city. Even the people working on this, Craig Still, comes to mind is willing to spend out of pocket money as are others to get this going with a limited load on the city.
On the otherhand the city is willing to spend 50,000 on a skateboard park which as I understand would not generate any financial revenue for the city.
I really think evey Berea resident should make a trek to Council meetings and voice their opinions. I am way too old to even attempt to learn to use a skateboard but I rather proficient with a pistol and would be willing to pay a monthly or annual fee for membership to such a place locally rather than spending my money in Paris or Lexington.
If the Council wants to spend money, I recommend it be on something that the people can enjoy and something that will return some revenue to the city while conserving transportation resources.
(Read that as gas money spent to travel somewhere else.)
There is a nice opportunity laying here in the table for Berea. One which will bring in people who will spend money in Berea. Let's see what our city leaders choose to do.
Diddle

Harrodsburg, KY

#8 Mar 25, 2009
Informed Citizen of Berea wrote:
If you were as informed as you say you are you would know that Parker Seal has accepted all responsiblility for any enviromental issues that arise from the manufacturing process for now and in the furture. Secondly it is not run down over 50% of the building was rebuilt after the 1998 tornado destroyed that portion of the property. This property has been tested 4 time and been given a clean bill of health each time. This property I have been told appraised for almost a million dollars, and the city could aquire it for $150,000.00 what a bargin. There is an area in side the building that would house a balketball court, ther is room for indoor soccer, game tables, video games, meeting rooms, wedding receptions, family reunions and the list goes on and on.
As in informed citizen I say buy it.
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Well I say don't buy it. we can agree to dissagree :)(By the way, no need to be combative. It's not like I am going to do something bad if you don't agree with me...)

I would question how the neighbors would feel about having a balketball court, indoor soccer, game tables, video games, meeting rooms, wedding receptions, family reunions going on in their front / back door though. Sounds like and aweful lot of traffic. Maybe - Maybe not

I guess you are aware should this evolve in the way you suggest, the city will have to hire people to monitor the faciliy. Everytime you build or provide this type of facility you end up having to police it. Whould woiuld have ever thought a time would come to where we had to have security to keep idiots from trashing the restrooms at a park?
Older than dirt

Pikeville, KY

#9 Mar 27, 2009
If the city can come up with a revenue generating use for the property, then I'd be open to buying it. However, given today's fiscal uncertainties, lower and lower city revenues due to layoffs, and lack of a P.L.A.N. I currently oppose this purchase.

Unfortunately, I don't live within city limits, so I can't vote out the incumbent idiots on city council, but I can at least use this arena to voice my displeasure at waste of my tax dollars. Yes I do pay taxes to Berea, just can't vote....

sounds like time for a tea party!
Use to work there

Berea, KY

#10 Mar 27, 2009
To informed citizen of Berea-the tornado was in 1996 and I would really worry about someone having a wedding reception in there-tacky tacky - have you ever seen the inside? It definately looks like a manufacturing facility.

“Nick Nak Paddy Wac”

Since: Mar 09

Give Your Dog The Bone

#11 Mar 27, 2009
It's not just the tax dollars spent on a useless building -

WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST TO TEAR IT DOWN AND UNEARTH ALL THE HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH AND AROUND THE BUILDING???

I say make Parker-Seal responsible for the cleanup or the EPA is going to rip the city and the John-Q Taxpayer if the deal is signed.

Wake-Up City Council, do something right for a change, don't make another head in your 'arse' contract deal.

Do I need to draw the City Council a picture?!!!

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