Pilots Agree to Pay Cut at Northwest

CHICAGO, March 3 - Pilots at Northwest Airlines agreed yesterday to a $358 million annual pay cut, averting the threat of a strike and positioning the carrier for a potentially rapid exit from bankruptcy. Full Story
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Came to senses

Maple Grove, MN

#1 Mar 3, 2006
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
runner

United States

#2 Mar 3, 2006
Came to senses wrote:
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
Must be management.
Pro-Work

Columbus, OH

#3 Mar 3, 2006
Don't forget the pensions... which is a huge cost to companies. It's almost taboo when you speak about that. The fact is the current employees are upset with their pay, understood but don't forget that the companies have to continue to pay workers who are retired too. Like someday we will all be. Unfortunatly not everyone is lucky enough to have the oportunity for a deal which lasts a lifetime.
Came to senses wrote:
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
NWA freightdog

Fairbanks, AK

#4 Mar 4, 2006
Get a life! Your another lackey who just follows orders from above. Be a real man and try out a real job for a change or maybe your just incapable of making sacrifices pilots make daily in their chosen career field. I doubt very much management at NWA in the higher echelon could ever become an elite pilot in any major airline, but I'm sure if any pilot at NWA desired to pursue a mangement track it wouldn't be very difficult, especially if they had no regard for their fellow colleage. I bet I'm safe to say you've probably never worn a military uniform as well which requires similiar sacrifices. Until you understand those hardships and demands it takes to become part of an elite group of men and women, you'll be jealous of what you can never attain in life. Don't forget it ain't over until the whole union ratifies the new agreement.
Came to senses wrote:
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
bob

Peoria, AZ

#5 Mar 4, 2006
ok..........so everybody will be working for alot less!

and now the real question!?

when will the bonuses come for nwa management......

Tigger from NV

United States

#6 Mar 4, 2006
NWA freightdog wrote:
Get a life! Your another lackey who just follows orders from above. Be a real man and try out a real job for a change or maybe your just incapable of making sacrifices pilots make daily in their chosen career field. I doubt very much management at NWA in the higher echelon could ever become an elite pilot in any major airline, but I'm sure if any pilot at NWA desired to pursue a mangement track it wouldn't be very difficult, especially if they had no regard for their fellow colleage. I bet I'm safe to say you've probably never worn a military uniform as well which requires similiar sacrifices. Until you understand those hardships and demands it takes to become part of an elite group of men and women, you'll be jealous of what you can never attain in life. Don't forget it ain't over until the whole union ratifies the new agreement. <quoted text>
LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
Bill

Warrensburg, NY

#7 Mar 4, 2006
Tigger from NV wrote:
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LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
The only thing you have a grip on is your pathetic little member at the peep show.

Go back to your microsoft video game and earn a days pay.
just an observer

Lapeer, MI

#8 Mar 4, 2006
Bob from Phoenix, I hear ya! Also, when will NWA start heading back into bankruptcy court for more paycuts after the deal is inked? We all must remember, they are in bankruptcy court.....for however long that is.
just an observer

Lapeer, MI

#9 Mar 4, 2006
Came to senses wrote:
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
And people are complaining about the AMFA mechanics and the UAW? Boy, does society ever need to get real!
fool

AOL

#10 Mar 4, 2006
Listen to this fool!
He turned down flying for airlines because he didn't want to be paid for flying!
Get real and get a life fool, keep flying your xbox game or keep lying, fool.

LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
Customer

Wahpeton, ND

#11 Mar 4, 2006
Thank you Pilots!
Spud

Milwaukee, WI

#12 Mar 4, 2006
Spoken like one who has never done it! I work 10-14 hours on duty, 3-5 flights a day, make currently less than I made as an FO, pension is frozen, health care is up, deductibles up. And an offer to fly for Air Mogadishu doesn't really count. I've met guys like you, the ones who are always trying to get the flight attendants to upgrade them to first class, when you paid $200 for a ticket. Please try Amtrak and leave the flying to people who actually do it for a living, not just regret their past.
Tigger from NV wrote:
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LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
TransPac

Yigo, Guam

#13 Mar 4, 2006
Are you sure you turnd THEM down flat? You sound like a guy that couldn't get through training, one who is bitter, and spewing hate for the profession simply because you couldn't cut it. Before you saddle the pilot group with all that is wrong with the industry, you may want to do a little more research. You don't hear management beating down the doors to take pay cuts, even though their salaries are astronomically higher than the average American's.

LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
Skidmore

Carol Stream, IL

#14 Mar 4, 2006
So how is it working at Burger King.
NWA freightdog

Fairbanks, AK

#15 Mar 4, 2006
Well Piglet's buddy, the morbid reality of people who speak without any regard to history is the daunting challenge blue collar workers of America face. For instance, The SCAB, written by Jack London expresses eloquently what you don't understand about American Blue collar workers or unfortunately failed to learn in High School. See site: http://dawn.thot.net/scab.html I dare you to educate yourself with London's story, if it doesn't change the way you feel about our rights as an American workers, you can always leave the US if you don't like democracy at work.
Tigger from NV wrote:
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LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly and love it. But the prices the airlines charge for a simple trip help make up those out of world salaries the pilots make not to mention all the beni's. Yes I did have the chance to go to work as a pilot for a international airline, and turned them down flat. What to know why ? I take pride in what I do and feel a honest days pay is right for a honest days work. Flying around up there is not a honest days pay. Its so far over rated that it makes ones head spin. The pilots need to get a grip on life and get their heads out of the clouds, the same clouds they have been in for a long time.
Skidmore

Carol Stream, IL

#16 Mar 4, 2006
I was offered a job as president, but turned it down because I like working at Burger King.

[LMAO....you should talk.....I have a pilots lic and fly
Just an Observer

Lapeer, MI

#17 Mar 4, 2006
What's the matter? Can't anyone out there believe that a person could actually turn down a job once in his life? This is one "pilot" that is definitely a rarity. Can't anyone believe someone can actually have standards? Please, let's have some kind of an open mind here.
Frequent Flyer

Carol Stream, IL

#18 Mar 4, 2006
Came to senses wrote:
It is good that pilots came to their senses. They just don't seem to understand how good they have it. They make more than most corporate Vice Presidents, while working 20 hours a week. They make four times the average wages in this country (or 8 times if you consider they work part-time).
The flying public does not understand how pilots and flight attendants are compensated. They are only paid when the aircraft doors are closed and the brakes are released. Pay stops when the aircraft arrives at the gate and the brakes are set. Sitting at the airport between flights, pre flight check lists, and boarding of passengers is all done without pay.
Federal air regulations allow them to work 16-hour days with an 8-hour rest. That includes trip to the hotel, which can take up to an hour after the aircraft is parked. Allowing one hour to relax before bed, and get up 2 hours before departure, you can see that 4 hours sleep is about all you will get.
The average duty day lasts over 10 hours, with only five hours of pay. Many pilots and flight attendants work 40-hour weeks with only 20 hours of pay. Some airlines only pay flight time, with no guarantee of any pay while on duty. They could be on duty for 16 hours and only get paid 2 hours, if that was all they had flown that day.
This is one of the reasons pilots and flight attendants are willing to risk their jobs by striking. Most of the major airlines have already taken up to 50% pay cuts. You only have to look at your own finances to see what this means. Many pilots and flight attendants are losing their homes. These are the people that have your lives in their hands.
If you think that flying for a major airline is such a great deal, you can do it to. Take 50,000 dollars and spend 2 or 3 years getting all the pilot ratings you need. Make sure you have at least a 4-year college degree, and that won’t even get you close to a job on a major airline. Spend another 3- 10 years building the flight time you need by flight instructing, or if you are lucky, working for a commuter airline. Starting pay at these commuter airlines averages 18,000 dollars a year. Not bad for a 50,000 dollar investment and 3 years of your time. Stay as a copilot for 3 years and you will be up to 21,000 a year working 16-hour days.

. Get your facts right before spouting off about how great pilots have it.
TransPac

Yigo, Guam

#19 Mar 4, 2006
It seems to me that the NWA pilots HAVE standards. That's why what management had been proposing to them was deemed unacceptable. As far as turning down a pilot job is concerned--- I would understand it if he turned it down for family priorities, for wanting to live in a particular area, or for lower-than-expected wages. To turn down a position...any position...because your employer wants to pay you too much money is absurd; and, frankly, sounds like an excuse to cover up his ineptitude and inadequacies in controlling an aircraft.
Just an Observer wrote:
What's the matter? Can't anyone out there believe that a person could actually turn down a job once in his life? This is one "pilot" that is definitely a rarity. Can't anyone believe someone can actually have standards? Please, let's have some kind of an open mind here.
Just an Observer

Lapeer, MI

#20 Mar 4, 2006
TransPac wrote:
To turn down a position...any position...because your employer wants to pay you too much money is absurd; and, frankly, sounds like an excuse to cover up his ineptitude and inadequacies in controlling an aircraft.

<quoted text>
Sounds reasonable to me.

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