Car buyers standing by GM

tom wrote:

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F_OFF AZZ!!!!!!!!!! Ther[sic] is no way to prove I hauled 10 tons of fire wood....You just want to start a fight because your a child and are acting like a spoiled child at that. Move out of moms basement get a job and grow up......I know what I know....And I dont[sic] care what a child say.

Now this is amusing, since it is you that is getting all emotional and using childish ad hominem attacks.

Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

BillSmith70 wrote:

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Now this is amusing, since it is you that is getting all emotional and using childish ad hominem attacks.
Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

Grow up!!!!!!! What I have said yes cant be proven with paper or stone cold facts. But yes it is still true...I drive around alot for work I have many family and friends in auto service businesses. And here where I live Toyota,s dont sell verey well and you wont find very many.....Now I dont have "proof" per say but I do know what I can see with my eyes and what others tell me. It may not be fact but it is closer then anything YOU have ever provided. Now unless you want to grow up and provide real proof that my cousin is lying and my eyes dont see right and I not not heard what I have heard....THEN I WILL NEVER POST OR REPOND TO YOU AGAIN UNLESS YOU GROW UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

tom wrote:

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Grow up!!!!!!! What I have said yes cant be proven with paper or stone cold facts. But yes it is still true...I drive around alot[sic] for work I have many family and friends in auto service businesses. And here where I live Toyota,s[sic] dont[sic] sell verey[sic] well and you wont find very many.....Now I dont have "proof" per say but I do know what I can see with my eyes and what others tell me. It may not be fact but it is closer then anything YOU have ever provided. Now unless you want to grow up and provide real proof that my cousin is lying and my eyes dont[sic] see right and I not not heard what I have heard....THEN I WILL NEVER POST OR REPOND[sic] TO YOU AGAIN UNLESS YOU GROW UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

In other words, you are a proven liar and will run away with your tail tucked between your legs. Pathetic, yet typical.

BillSmith70 wrote:

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In other words, you are a proven liar and will run away with your tail tucked between your legs. Pathetic, yet typical.

Well yep just what I thought from a child like you. GOODBYE----Oh and I win since you never proved me wrong then I win the fight......LOL....se ya moron I am done with a foold like you....

tom wrote:

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Well yep just what I thought from a child like you. GOODBYE----Oh and I win since you never proved me wrong then I win the fight......LOL....se ya moron I am done with a foold like you....

Now this is amusing, being that your writing "skills" are worse than a seven year old that attends a government school.

I hope you have a miserable life and die a painful death, but only after watching your family (if you even have one) suffer and die in pain.

tom wrote:

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Grow up!!!!!!! What I have said yes cant be proven with paper or stone cold facts. But yes it is still true...I drive around alot for work I have many family and friends in auto service businesses. And here where I live Toyota,s dont sell verey well and you wont find very many.....Now I dont have "proof" per say but I do know what I can see with my eyes and what others tell me. It may not be fact but it is closer then anything YOU have ever provided. Now unless you want to grow up and provide real proof that my cousin is lying and my eyes dont see right and I not not heard what I have heard....THEN I WILL NEVER POST OR REPOND TO YOU AGAIN UNLESS YOU GROW UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

You can't see what you're typing can you.
Take the line; "I do know what I can see with my eyes and what others tell me."
What you can see with your own eyes is one thing, but you choose to believe what "others tell you'" only if you agree with it. Others here are telling you that Toyotas are good trucks, but you choose not to believe it because you disagree with it. What others tell you is all hearsay, whether you agree with it or not.

Whoops. Sorry for the double post.

Oh yeah, Tom
You missed my joke about the shingles. You are a newcomer to this thread and didn't realize I was teasing Frank about hauling shingles in his Silverado.

BillSmith70 wrote:

<quoted text>Now this is amusing, being that your writing "skills" are worse than a seven year old that attends a government school.

I hope you have a miserable life and die a painful death, but only after watching your family (if you even have one) suffer and die in pain.

Coward

Comcast had a list of models likely to be axed by the makers....mostly big three...Buick Lucerne, Chevy Tahoe....oddly Mustang and Camero(sales decline) i doubt they will be killed....Toyota Avalon, probably too big for most, when the Camry is much better value.....interesting.....all simply pertained to declining model sales.....

Only the fed and rentals buy those domestics anymore since they have become known as the "Clunkers" that no one wants. Those who are stuck with them find out fast that ya can't give em away either so they stay parked in the yard somewhere.

That is too simplistic....Big three sale up again, this last quarter....Ford less than GM and Chrysler.....

Hanging CHAD wrote:

HA! A customer just walked in and asked to buy gas tank straps for his 2002 GMC Sierra 2500HD, because his were rotted out.
Great quality, GM...

So far I have met 3 GM workers. I guy was busted twice for growing pot on his farm. Another grew pot and was never caught and the other was seriously ill and said, "His blood was to pure for drugs". They are all whack jobs!!!!

Domestic auto sales numbers for 2011, were the highest, they have been for three years.....does this really, make some of you, unhappy?

....(crikets)......

Subject: FIRST GOOD ESTIMATES OF RUNNING A CHEVY VOLT ----

Cost to operate a Chevy Volt

Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles
it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh
of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.

The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never
mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons)$1.16 per kwh.

16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh =$18.56 to charge the battery.

$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles =$0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine
only that gets 32 mpg.

$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg =$0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt
costs $46,000.

So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that
costs more than 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.

...Obama wants us....?...What's up with that?

BillSmith70 wrote:

Subject: FIRST GOOD ESTIMATES OF RUNNING A CHEVY VOLT ----
Cost to operate a Chevy Volt
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles
it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh
of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never
mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons)$1.16 per kwh.
16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh =$18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles =$0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine
only that gets 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg =$0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt
costs $46,000.
So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that
costs more than 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.

I think you are a little high on the cost per KWH. Over all you are spot on, the Volt cost to operate is much higher than a normal vehicle.

To take it one step further, trace the source of your electricity and you will find that the Volt actually runs on coal.

And yes Blue, Obama wants us to........

Obama wants the American car companys to be successful, beyond that is entirely speculative.....actually, the Mitsubishi Ivo and Nissan Leaf are better values in electric vehicles.....

Yet another candid example of how Big Government is a LOUSY business manager. Too bad the American taxpayer is still on the hook for about $38 billion in GM bailout monies... all so that Islamofascist , Socialist Nazi known as Obama can buy votes with his UAW buddies.

Excelsior.

GM should have been allowed to go through a structured bankruptcy WITHOUT taxpayer bailout.

Too big to fail??? My ass.