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Rule would boost unions at airlines, railroads

Full story: The Seattle Times

Workers at U.S. airlines and railroads would have an easier time forming unions if the National Mediation Board succeeds in changing a 75-year-old rule on union organizing.

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Bob Burns

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Populist unionist socialism sweeps the country as the former America sinks beneath the waves
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Hopefully, Bob, hopefully. It's time aviation workers got the same democracy as others.
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Stewart Stacey wrote:
Hopefully, Bob, hopefully. It's time aviation workers got the same democracy as others.
Like, none. Start your own airline, run it as you please. If you do it well, you prosper. If not, not
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Stewart Stacey wrote:
Hopefully, Bob, hopefully. It's time aviation workers got the same democracy as others.
Reagan was right when he fired PATCO workers. There is a reason aviation and railroad workers cannot form unions.

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If everything was run like the railway labor act and indifference was considered no, we would have nothing in this country. Most folks for whatever reason don't vote. Imagine the propostion to help schools failing because even though 99% of the people said yes, only 40% of those who could voted. The railway labor act restricts work actions. Just because you have a union doesn't mean you will have rampant job actions. By the time the railway labor act allows you to strike, the companies have time to hire and train replacements. See NWA v AMFA. Unions make it harder for companies to take workers benefits on a whim, and put the profits in thier pockets
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If everything was run like the railway labor act and indifference was considered no, we would have nothing in this country. Most folks for whatever reason don't vote. Imagine the propostion to help schools failing because even though 99% of the people said yes, only 40% of those who could voted. The railway labor act restricts work actions. Just because you have a union doesn't mean you will have rampant job actions. By the time the railway labor act allows you to strike, the companies have time to hire and train replacements. See NWA v AMFA. Unions make it harder for companies to take workers benefits on a whim, and put the profits in thier pockets
communism/socialism/populism have been tried and found that they are nothing but sweet lies to suck in the gullible. Stop being a dupe for thug union power-mad
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News flash......NWA declares BK.....Unions accept $1.5B/yr paycuts to save jobs and airline.....CEO walks away with $28mil when it's all over

This is what they are trying to keep from happening again

enuf said
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capt avgas wrote:
News flash......NWA declares BK.....Unions accept $1.5B/yr paycuts to save jobs and airline.....CEO walks away with $28mil when it's all over
This is what they are trying to keep from happening again
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Then move to SA. Socialism is not a cure, it's a worse disease that will increase your suffering. Stop being a duped gullible dope
not a fine wine

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Curtis Lowe wrote:
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Reagan was right when he fired PATCO workers. There is a reason aviation and railroad workers cannot form unions.
Reagan was right when he fired PATCO workers.

Reagan sent a clear message that busting unions was okay. If unions really were the problem... all unions would have disappeared by now. Reagan was wrong!

PATCO took place back in 1981. It is now 2009, sum 28 years later, why are there still unions? Because unions had nothing to do with it. Unions didn't keep corporate America down. The cost of doing business in America is what corporate America wanted freedom from. It took twenty eight years for them to move it out of country. Unions were and still are the only group of workers fighting to prevent Corporate America from selling out America. Even at America's minimum wage, worker can't compete with what GM, Boeing, or any other U.S. manufacture can get it done for by exploiting 3rd world labor. The big glitch in the whole thing is... Who's going to buy your stuff when the whole world is poor? You see, there isn't a whole lot of thought process going here other than a few Greedy SOB's getting filthy rich before the whole thing collapses. Which is just about where we are. So what's the next big sales pitch?... A New World Order. Who's going to benefit the most from this? You got it... the world's richest. The rest of us will become servant class to the minority, if the majority does not unite/unionize, and take back what is rightfully theirs... The fruits of THEIR labor... It will become a world reserved for the rich... tended to by the poor. The way things are going the next big hiring boom will be in food tasters. Not sure what the longevity will be, but for as long as it last, you will at least eat good.

Pricilla, peel me a grape while I sit back and watch ROME burn.
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Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>Then move to SA. Socialism is not a cure, it's a worse disease that will increase your suffering. Stop being a duped gullible dope
SA?? What are you talking about? Clearly, you think it is OK for executives to use the bankruptcy laws to line their pockets

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not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Reagan was right when he fired PATCO workers.
Reagan sent a clear message that busting unions was okay. If unions really were the problem... all unions would have disappeared by now. Reagan was wrong!
PATCO took place back in 1981. It is now 2009, sum 28 years later, why are there still unions? Because unions had nothing to do with it. Unions didn't keep corporate America down. The cost of doing business in America is what corporate America wanted freedom from. It took twenty eight years for them to move it out of country. Unions were and still are the only group of workers fighting to prevent Corporate America from selling out America. Even at America's minimum wage, worker can't compete with what GM, Boeing, or any other U.S. manufacture can get it done for by exploiting 3rd world labor. The big glitch in the whole thing is... Who's going to buy your stuff when the whole world is poor? You see, there isn't a whole lot of thought process going here other than a few Greedy SOB's getting filthy rich before the whole thing collapses. Which is just about where we are. So what's the next big sales pitch?... A New World Order. Who's going to benefit the most from this? You got it... the world's richest. The rest of us will become servant class to the minority, if the majority does not unite/unionize, and take back what is rightfully theirs... The fruits of THEIR labor... It will become a world reserved for the rich... tended to by the poor. The way things are going the next big hiring boom will be in food tasters. Not sure what the longevity will be, but for as long as it last, you will at least eat good.
Pricilla, peel me a grape while I sit back and watch ROME burn.
When Reagan fired the controllers, and planes didn't collide daily, the teeth were pulled from the unions. There are unions which still have contracts that keep employers from boning employees on a whim. However any union that stikes especially in this economy has gotten thier members unemployed. Your strike now you are replaced by scabs and never heard from again.
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Prost wrote:
<quoted text>When Reagan fired the controllers, and planes didn't collide daily, the teeth were pulled from the unions. There are unions which still have contracts that keep employers from boning employees on a whim. However any union that stikes especially in this economy has gotten thier members unemployed. Your strike now you are replaced by scabs and never heard from again.
Your strike now you are replaced by scabs and never heard from again.

Very true!

However, our choice was to strike / lockout, or vote yes and lose our jobs. There really wasn't much to think about. If your seniority number was more than 1200 you were pretty much out of a job. Manning the picket lines was a show of F.U. while we all figured out where we were going next. Nwa was already a far piece down road to BK. Most of us... thinking back on the 92 concessions... had decided if we were going to work for less... it was sure as hell going to be for someone else ! Walking the picket line, in the last months of 2005 was much easier than working for a company that went out of its way to show hatred for all of its employees. I would venture too say... That standing on the outside planning your new path, was much easier, stress wise, than working on the inside wondering when they'd come for you. Northwest was done the day checchi & wilson walked in the door. In hind sight... the AMFA mechanics and the cleaners, got the cleanest end of the Sh-t stick .
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not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Your strike now you are replaced by scabs and never heard from again.
Very true!
However, our choice was to strike / lockout, or vote yes and lose our jobs. There really wasn't much to think about. If your seniority number was more than 1200 you were pretty much out of a job. Manning the picket lines was a show of F.U. while we all figured out where we were going next. Nwa was already a far piece down road to BK. Most of us... thinking back on the 92 concessions... had decided if we were going to work for less... it was sure as hell going to be for someone else ! Walking the picket line, in the last months of 2005 was much easier than working for a company that went out of its way to show hatred for all of its employees. I would venture too say... That standing on the outside planning your new path, was much easier, stress wise, than working on the inside wondering when they'd come for you. Northwest was done the day checchi & wilson walked in the door. In hind sight... the AMFA mechanics and the cleaners, got the cleanest end of the Sh-t stick .
Right on about checci and wilson. How come these anti-union morons never mention that? They probably listen to their loud mouth talk show hosts who tell them how to think.
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<quoted text>Right on about checci and wilson. How come these anti-union morons never mention that? They probably listen to their loud mouth talk show hosts who tell them how to think.
The anti-union morons want the middle class to go away, even though they are part of it..I find it amzing the words coming out of the anti-american labor are the same that Rush,Sean an Glen are spewing.. Almost word for word..
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The anti-union morons want the middle class to go away, even though they are part of it..I find it amzing the words coming out of the anti-american labor are the same that Rush,Sean an Glen are spewing.. Almost word for word..
Shows that many people, independently examining the facts, can arrive at the same conclusion
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Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>Shows that many people, independently examining the facts, can arrive at the same conclusion
Independently? If that was the only subject that they preach word for word, from the Radio, we could agree with that assessment. Rush,Glen and Sean have an agenda and they preach it over and over to brainwash thinking. They talk out of both sides of their mouth..
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Independently? If that was the only subject that they preach word for word, from the Radio, we could agree with that assessment. Rush,Glen and Sean have an agenda and they preach it over and over to brainwash thinking. They talk out of both sides of their mouth..
It's obvious what you talk out of
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The anti-union morons want the middle class to go away, even though they are part of it..I find it amzing the words coming out of the anti-american labor are the same that Rush,Sean an Glen are spewing.. Almost word for word..
Do you actually waste your time listening to those idiots?..I have FOX deleted off of my channels...it's unreal the crap they try to scare people with..every frickin day...and the sheep follow dont they?..
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Do you actually waste your time listening to those idiots?..I have FOX deleted off of my channels...it's unreal the crap they try to scare people with..every frickin day...and the sheep follow dont they?..
I listen to both sides and the middle. Not continuously but on occasion. The agenda they have is money to be made by having people listen, they have to be way out there to draw a controversy. Kind of like the National Enquirer..
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Union leadership should be imprisoned for what they've done to this country.

Bankrupting local governments, forced manufacturing abroad, drove the hardworking out of business.

Criminals. Human filth.

Put them in jail with the corrupt CEOs. They're all the same.
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