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Sinking In America

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May 7, 2008
 

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[quote] what is happening at A.A. is only the beginning,[/quote]

This is what a majority of us "union bashers" have been trying to say..
We did not use to be union bashers.. we were standing arm-in-arm against 'the man" just as you are today and the steel workers stood before us..
This is NOT just the beginning!!
We warn you to protect yourself and your family because we stood strong to protect you.. Yes we are jealous you are still making anything over $10 an hour.. we WERE there.. for 25 years we were there!! We were irreplaceable (nope, didn't go to school, so I can't spell either)

The arrgument comes when you guys are so hard headed and close minded (really on both sides here) and neither hears the other..

Nope we did not want to take a 50% pay cut.. how dare they offer us that... so they went to mexico.. we went to unemployemnt..

I believe no matter what you settle on at this point, you have pushed AAM up against a wall.. so yes .. I guess you have won.. what you won I am not sure, but I believe they will be close in very short order, you fellow UAW brothers have priced them out of the contract loop!

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Times were good, money was made...the well is dry. Regroup, reform or get out. getting laid off is no fun. I was a 9/11 cascualty with a new house and kid on the way..times are tough for all. I figure you can fight it or move on. If you fight the fight, best of luck to you!
People Get Real

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Outraged wrote:
All you auto workers deserve to lose your jobs! All you do is cry about what is going to be taken away from you and you should be glad to have what you have. Read the want ads and you'll see a lot of companies require a college degree and are paying only $10 or $12 an hour. Most of you guys can't even spell or speak correctly. When you are in the unemployment line you will wish you took your pay cuts and benefit cuts because it would still be more than what's out there now. Wake up!!!
Dear "Outraged"
it sounds to me like if you can't have it, you want everybody else to go without also. did i hit a nerve. sorry ! the deal is that all need to stick together to get ahead or ALL WILL LOOSE ! UNIONS A PLUS ! one person to fight city hall what do you think their chances are of winning? Unions are what make people strong. all the butt kissing in the world will just get a bad taste in your mouth and bad breath.
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Sinking In America wrote:
[quote] what is happening at A.A. is only the beginning,[/quote]
This is what a majority of us "union bashers" have been trying to say..
We did not use to be union bashers.. we were standing arm-in-arm against 'the man" just as you are today and the steel workers stood before us..
This is NOT just the beginning!!
We warn you to protect yourself and your family because we stood strong to protect you.. Yes we are jealous you are still making anything over $10 an hour.. we WERE there.. for 25 years we were there!! We were irreplaceable (nope, didn't go to school, so I can't spell either)
The arrgument comes when you guys are so hard headed and close minded (really on both sides here) and neither hears the other..
Nope we did not want to take a 50% pay cut.. how dare they offer us that... so they went to mexico.. we went to unemployemnt..
I believe no matter what you settle on at this point, you have pushed AAM up against a wall.. so yes .. I guess you have won.. what you won I am not sure, but I believe they will be close in very short order, you fellow UAW brothers have priced them out of the contract loop!
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"Sinking In America"
you need to stand strong with your working brothers. watch how you vote with all the foreign trade sell outs from our union busting politicians . it's the big money screwing over all us little people. fight it all the way. if we lay down we loose and will have a even smaller piece of the pie. OUR POLITICIANS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE KILLING JOBS BY SELLING US OUT WITH THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. THE BIG MONEY PEOPLE LOVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE POLITICIANS IN THERE POCKETS THEY SENT THE SCUM TO WASHINGTON TO LOBBY FOR THE STUFF THATS KILLING THE AMERICAN JOB MARKET.
County Taxpayer

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hmmm....how strong is the support from the union for the Tonawanda employees? Seems the union tossed them under the bus..or suburban...
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All you auto workers deserve to lose your jobs! All you do is cry about what is going to be taken away from you and you should be glad to have what you have. Read the want ads and you'll see a lot of companies require a college degree and are paying only $10 or $12 an hour. Most of you guys can't even spell or speak correctly. When you are in the unemployment line you will wish you took your pay cuts and benefit cuts because it would still be more than what's out there now. Wake up!!!
A nother fool heard from / NOBODY " DESERVES" to lose a job , what is the matter with you we all work hard for what we earn and NOBODY " DESERVES" to lose a job and IF you would look up what the people that work in an auto plant have given back and gave back in order to help the BIG AUTO CO.'S you would see there were a lot of times they gave back and bent over backwards to help the auto CO'S out and never even got a kiss my a-- or nothing from the "BIG 3" so befor you say anyone 'DESERVES" to loss their job you should look back and see what those same people did to help out the co. they work for over the last 30 years or so. the auot worker has given back almost sa much as they have recived. there are people working at the auto plants that are PAYING OVER $7. every hour they work for their health and retirement funds / yes INSTEAD of a raise we did give it back to the CO. so we would help them out and help pay for what we get'/ ITS all there in all our old contracts so JUST look it up / it there / we want to work with the AUTO CO's we like our jobs even if they are hard and dirty , so as for someone "DESREVING" to loose their job HOPE YOUR NOT NEXT" AS I said befor NO/ yes NO job is most of all the jobs in the U.S. can be done in China/ Japan/ or any other COuntry that lets their people earn a great big pay check of all 0f $35 aweek / yes that is less than $1 per hour but the whole world is out to get the Big paying jobs / so maybe instead of putting everybody else down you should get your sh-- together and FIGHT to KEEP every good paying job here , not in China or JAPAN or anywhere else , we need to stand up and fight for every good job not against each other, Good =luck hope you can keep your job fron going over saes and not lost it to the lowest Bidder/
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tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>A nother fool heard from / NOBODY " DESERVES" to lose a job , what is the matter with you we all work hard for what we earn and NOBODY " DESERVES" to lose a job and IF you would look up what the people that work in an auto plant have given back and gave back in order to help the BIG AUTO CO.'S you would see there were a lot of times they gave back and bent over backwards to help the auto CO'S out and never even got a kiss my a-- or nothing from the "BIG 3" so befor you say anyone 'DESERVES" to loss their job you should look back and see what those same people did to help out the co. they work for over the last 30 years or so. the auot worker has given back almost sa much as they have recived. there are people working at the auto plants that are PAYING OVER $7. every hour they work for their health and retirement funds / yes INSTEAD of a raise we did give it back to the CO. so we would help them out and help pay for what we get'/ ITS all there in all our old contracts so JUST look it up / it there / we want to work with the AUTO CO's we like our jobs even if they are hard and dirty , so as for someone "DESREVING" to loose their job HOPE YOUR NOT NEXT" AS I said befor NO/ yes NO job is most of all the jobs in the U.S. can be done in China/ Japan/ or any other COuntry that lets their people earn a great big pay check of all 0f $35 aweek / yes that is less than $1 per hour but the whole world is out to get the Big paying jobs / so maybe instead of putting everybody else down you should get your sh-- together and FIGHT to KEEP every good paying job here , not in China or JAPAN or anywhere else , we need to stand up and fight for every good job not against each other, Good =luck hope you can keep your job fron going over saes and not lost it to the lowest Bidder/
My job DID go to China and there isn't anything out there paying well. We were willing to take a pay and benefits cut and the union was useless. When are you people going to realize that old days are gone? All you winers and criers will find out what it's like. Nothing will be the same again.

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Townperson wrote:
Hey UAW the Big man doesn't care about you anymore. Their goal is to break up Unions. I worked for Delphi once and that place was so messed up, no one deserves that high of a wage for doing as little as they do. It appears the city has been brought to its knees because of the unions.
WANT A JOB?, GO TO MEXICO
I hope you follow your own advise ! and go to Mexico.That's why you only worked for DELPHI once,YOUR THE LAZY ONE,SO DO US ALL A FAVOR AN GET DOWN THE ROAD.AMERICA NEEDS PEOPLE WITH A BACKBONE,YOU HAVE NONE! GOOD-BYE.
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#170
May 8, 2008
 
When 11.00 an hr is a living wage in the United States of America it will not matter at all what type of education you have because the corporate monsters realize every job can be out sourced.Why not ask the radiologist in India who is reading your CAT scan for a fraction of wages here.Not just manufacturing but anything and everything can be done outside the Good Ol USA.Let's not forget the people who will cross the borders to do the jobs supposedly Americans won't.American jobs of every level are being sold out every day.
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My job DID go to China and there isn't anything out there paying well. We were willing to take a pay and benefits cut and the union was useless. When are you people going to realize that old days are gone? All you winers and criers will find out what it's like. Nothing will be the same again.
Outraged First I said ' no one DESERVES to lose their job like YOU did / and yes every body in the U.S. that has a GOOD paying job has to expect to take a pay cut BECOUSE the BIG CO."s say we are not going to pay anyone more than min. wage and our FED' GOV' will stand behind them and let all of our good paying jobs go over seas and the big CO's can pay them less than $1 an hour and no benifits their out of here , and as I said there is NOT A JOB that can't be outsourced , YES I said NO job / any job from the auto worker to the C.O.'S in the prisons, yes you C.O.'s can be replaced too if the state can get things together and get CHINA to build a large prison and transport the prisoners over there you bet they will it's just a matter of time and we all will be earning min. wage and working 2 jobs if we are lucky enough to get that 2nd
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#172
May 19, 2008
 
I heard most of the forging work that was done in Tonawanda is going to a company called Formtech. A news source said the wages at Formtech were between $18-$24/hr.
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Jul 23, 2009
 
NYBIKER: what has changed for you? All the hours and hours on the internet and attending the rallies and all that....have you made a difference? have any jobs been saved? has the auto industry changed in WNY because of your comments? just curious.
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#174
Jul 27, 2009
 
It was and is unpatriotic for corporate america to relocate jobs overseas. China (a communist country), does not and will not play fair. We have allowed most of our manufacturing and Trillions of $'s to flow over to China. Now, they can turn around and buy up most of OUR country, OUR industry, OUR real estate. I work for a company that does no longer manufactures in the USA (Mexico and China ONLY). It makes me sick and ashamed. Without manufacturing, our ecomony has NO FOUNDATION. I fear for our future.
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You obviosly dont know what real work is! Everyone there deserves the pay they get!!!!!!!!!YOU WOULDNT LAST 1WEEK IN A PLACE LIKE THAT! FRIGGIN HATER!!
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All I can say is this..welcome to the real world of real wages and benefits. Not too many people here makes what these guys made in the past. Its going to be a harsh reality for them.
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#176
Jul 8, 2011
 
You can thank your HOPE and CHANGE president fpr the closing. Unemployment is going up again to 9.2% and rising. No one wanst to invest or buy anything.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial-page/fro...

Liberal writer needs to get facts straight

It never ceases to amaze me how the liberal point of view is rarely influenced by facts. A recent letter stated that teacher layoffs were not a direct result of the federal stimulus package. The letter writer quoted the “fact” that the stimulus bill “consisted of $7 billion.” This “fact” is blatantly incorrect. In fact, the entire stimulus bill that was signed in February 2009 was $787 billion. It’s only an understatement of $780 billion, but who’s counting? Instead of insulting conservatives, perhaps the writer should spend a little more time checking his facts.
Paul Halsey
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http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial-page/fro...

Other than the evil, insidious lie about the dollar amount of the stimulus, clearly intended to smear conservatives, it makes some pretty good arguments, none of which are addressed by Mr. Halsey.

It turned out to be 862 billion dollars with added expenses like unemployment benefits.
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Tuwanna wrote:
You obviosly dont know what real work is! Everyone there deserves the pay they get!!!!!!!!!YOU WOULDNT LAST 1WEEK IN A PLACE LIKE THAT! FRIGGIN HATER!
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#178
Jul 10, 2011
 
That's what these greddy bastards get. Laid off.

You can't have your government cheese and eat it too.

You can lead a liberal to water but you can't make him THINK.

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