Union rejects mediator for talks

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Lucy in Rockford wrote:

Here's what I don't get: Union workers get cost of living raises no matter what. Non-union workers do not, and you better not ask for one.
Union workers are guaranteed benefits paid entirely by the employer, and built into the cost of the product and passed onto the customer. Non-union workers have to contribute a portion of their pay for benefits.
Union workers are not held accountable for their inferior work and poor work ethic. Non-union workers are summarily dismissed if they fail to adhere to company standards or speak their mind if they disagree with company policies and procedures.
These are just a few reasons why unions are no longer held in high regard by the general, working public who are at will employees.
This post is joint effort by Lucy and Linus. Unions have done as much to drive up the cost of merchandise as the oil speculators who drive up the price per barrel of oil. This is obviously a bone of contention with us.

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dragon_fly121 aka steve wrote:

Confused....I'm on your side brother...why argue with the pro-union sheeple? You'll never win, and you just end up beating your head against the wall. Just sit back and watch them whip themselves out....it's only a matter of time.

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Lucy in Rockford wrote:

Here's what I don't get: Union workers get cost of living raises no matter what. Non-union workers do not, and you better not ask for one.
Union workers are guaranteed benefits paid entirely by the employer, and built into the cost of the product and passed onto the customer. Non-union workers have to contribute a portion of their pay for benefits.
Union workers are not held accountable for their inferior work and poor work ethic. Non-union workers are summarily dismissed if they fail to adhere to company standards or speak their mind if they disagree with company policies and procedures.
These are just a few reasons why unions are no longer held in high regard by the general, working public who are at will employees.
This post is joint effort by Lucy and Linus. Unions have done as much to drive up the cost of merchandise as the oil speculators who drive up the price per barrel of oil. This is obviously a bone of contention with us.

Arctic49519 wrote:

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That's kinda funny. Your employer makes the decision as to how much your work is worth and you make the decision to just blindly accept it without question. Really sounds like you make a lot of the decisions there.
What you fail to understand is that some people have the backbone to stand up for themselves when they are getting a raw deal. While you say "yassuh, massah" to your boss, these people are fighting for what they believe is right. No one can make them work for a measly $12/hr if they don't want to. They are exercising their right to withhold their labor. American Axle is free to replace them or to negotiate with them, it's their choice.
There is nothing you or any of the other anti-union whiners can do about it, so you just need to get over it.

DARK HELMET LIVES wrote:

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Well ... So much for decorum and being polite. I'm with Confused--and I already tagged your little racist itrade as offensive/inappropriate.
In another time and place, I might just have agreed with you. But when all you can do is make personal attacks on those who disagree with you, then you make it impossible for anyone to even WANT to agree with you!

Confused wrote:

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What you just don't seem to get is you, by your own argument, are giving businesses another reason to consider leaving Michigan. Apparently you have forgotten, or weren't around when General Electric pulled out of Holland over 20 years ago...BEFORE Mexico, BEFORE NAFDA...Why???
Because the union demands were too much...they didn't move to Mexico, they just moved Sout...but out of Michigan.
That having been said...you just keep on believing that fighting for and demanding higher wages is going to somehow help Michigan and keep businesses in Michigan. Sheeesh...
One last thing...I'm sick and tired of hearing about what union people think they deserve. All based on what the last contract says they deserve...not based on performance, education, skills.
READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY...I am in no way jealous of you or your over sized paycheck. Since I got away from union involvement I have now the incentive to learn, not sit on my lazy A** and wait for my next "cost of living" raise. I take great pride in what I've accomplished and the when I'm up for review, I can honestly say I've EARNED it. I've educated myself and I LOVE what I do...I consider it playing every day and I get paid for it.
You have no basis for your argument. My parents were staunch union members for years. I've heard all the arguments, all the reasons, all the justifications before. Nothing you present to me is new. This pattern repeats itself over and over. That's why 20+ years ago General Electric left Holland and today it's ??? The horrifying and sad truth is that as long as you remain within that realm of mis-conception...you lose, I lose and the other workers lose...everyone.
You just keep up thinking like you are...you won't have to worry about who makes more for long unfortunately...you and a whole lot of Michigan workers will all be out of work and the Mexican workers will be thanking you...they will be making more than you because you won't have a job.
I'm done typing now...

Arctic49519 wrote:

These anti-union whiners have a very simple philosophy for union workers:
Take any cuts an employer makes, no matter how unfair they are, lose your home and everything you have worked for. Do not question your employer, even when they are stuffing tens of millions into their pocket and turning a profit, because other people are jealous of you and would love to have your job.