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I think the drop in abortions can be directly attributed to the increase in obesity. Fat chicks don't get no play.

no way wrote:

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It is a developing human and if left to itself, absent developmental abnormalities, will be a deliverable baby some 9 months after conception. By comparing a developing embryo/fetus to kidney stones or claiming that it hasn't reached some arbitrary benchmark in brain activity, you really do emphasize the fact that abortion proponents do not comprehend or value human life at all.

yes that is why tens of thousands of miscarriages (what I call "God's abortions") happen every year. And you are wrong, I value human life very highly. Sometimes a choice must be made, and I believe a woman and her doctor are the best ones to determine that. I don't like abortion, it represents a failure of sorts. But you pro-lifers seem to forget that if you were ever successful and made abortion completely illegal, they would still happen. Always have, always will. I would rather see a woman get proper medical care is she feels she needs one. But many pro-lifers are also against the very contreception methods that would ultimately reduce abortions to a fraction of their number. rebel is right, it's all about control of the females. Get this abortion thing under control, you'll next want to keep girls outta school. Just take care of the house, spread 'em when hubby or daddy says so, and keep popping out them kiddies! Hello Taliban!

liberal AND proud wrote:

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I value human life very highly. Sometimes a choice must be made....

Don't play games with your "God's abortions" declaration...no human consciously chooses to end that life. It is a natural act of God or nature, and physicians have concluded that natural miscarriage is the result of developmental abnormalities.

Interesting contradiction you present -- "I value human life" but "sometimes a choice must be made" (where "choice" means a woman's decision to end the human life developing within her). A mother willfully ending her child's life is unnatural. A previous poster compared a woman's pre-birth abortion to a woman's post-birth disposal of her baby in the trash -- the only difference being the abortion mom doesn't have to physically place the baby in the trashcan (her practitioner does it on her behalf for a fee).

I'm not sure how your Taliban tripe fits in here, but since the rest of your argument also lacks coherence, it's better ignored as the rantings of a leftist fringe nut.

no way wrote:

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Don't play games with your "God's abortions" declaration...no human consciously chooses to end that life. It is a natural act of God or nature, and physicians have concluded that natural miscarriage is the result of developmental abnormalities.
Interesting contradiction you present -- "I value human life" but "sometimes a choice must be made" (where "choice" means a woman's decision to end the human life developing within her). A mother willfully ending her child's life is unnatural. A previous poster compared a woman's pre-birth abortion to a woman's post-birth disposal of her baby in the trash -- the only difference being the abortion mom doesn't have to physically place the baby in the trashcan (her practitioner does it on her behalf for a fee).
I'm not sure how your Taliban tripe fits in here, but since the rest of your argument also lacks coherence, it's better ignored as the rantings of a leftist fringe nut.

It's not my fault you can't follow an intelligent argument. And you are woefully ignorant. Lots of miscarriages have no discernible reason. And I can see where a moral absolutist would not be able to reconcile "I value human life" & "sometimes a choice must be made". Someone invades my house, I determine they are there to cause us harm, so I shoot and kill them. Many soldiers value human life, but have to take it in the course of battle. I mean, you REALLY don't understand this? But that's ok, you go ahead and live in your small-minded world. You don't believe in abortion, and I do.

no way wrote:

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A spleen or other human organ, if left to itself, will not develop into a human being nor does it have its own heart, representatiave of a independent life, visible by ultrasound and beating on its own at the 22nd day of development.

IT IS IN THE WOMAN'S BODY, IT IS A FETUS, property rights at least apply fully along with privacy rights. oh, a fetus cannot survive "if left to itself" so in that regard it is JUST like a kidney or a spleen you stand corrected. Oh, and your opinion doesn't count anyway.

liberal AND proud wrote:

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It's not my fault you can't follow an intelligent argument. And you are woefully ignorant. Lots of miscarriages have no discernible reason. And I can see where a moral absolutist would not be able to reconcile "I value human life" & "sometimes a choice must be made". Someone invades my house, I determine they are there to cause us harm, so I shoot and kill them. Many soldiers value human life, but have to take it in the course of battle. I mean, you REALLY don't understand this? But that's ok, you go ahead and live in your small-minded world. You don't believe in abortion, and I do.

No intelligent argument would attempt to equate an unborn baby to a home invader or an enemy combatant.

Keep reachin'.

liberal AND proud wrote:

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But no functioning, aware brain, until well into pregnancy. Or, based on the pro-lifer responses, in some cases even well into middle-age!

So please explain to me the difference in the fetus-- between the fetus of a woman who wants to be pregnant, and one that didn't intend to get preganat and is too inconvenient.

No religious perspective, no higher morals, just straight up logic at work... why is it that the same fetus is different in two women, simply based on whether it's wanted or unwanted?? One calls it a baby (at conception, not months into the pregnancy), and one views it as something akin to a tumor to be removed and destroyed at will.

It's the only law I can think of that simply depends on a person's perspective. So... how many other laws will follow the same logic? The abuser doesn't think they're committing abuse so therefore it's legal, the murderer doesn't think they're committing murder, the burglar feels entitled to whatever he/she is taking... Does that mean all of those things are legal too, because they're OK in the mind of the offender?

oops.. typo... should have been "pregnant" in the first statement. My apologies

think about it wrote:

I had an abortion this year because my baby was going to die immediately upon birth due to a fatal anomaly called Limb Body Wall Complex. Head to Google images to see it; it’s awful. I’m thankful because I had the right to choose. I’m mentally healthy because I was treated well and with respect as I terminated my much wanted pregnancy.
Think before you make sweeping anti-abortion statements. If your baby was incompatible with life, would you bring him or her into this world? Would you carry a baby to term knowing that he or she would suffer and die immediately?

I know this is old, but I'm posting for anyone who finds this in the future-
I carried to term with limb body wall complex. My daughter was born in Dec. 2010, and while I make no judgement on anyone who makes a different choice, it's insulting to assume that a child is better off being aborted because of a possibility that they may suffer. I guarantee that my daughter didn't suffer. It was a c- sectioned birth, and she passed away peacefully in my arms, almost 2 hours after she was born.
Those of us who carry to term are constantly, and inadvertently demonized each time that a person says that they aborted to spare their child some assumed suffering.
As for mental health, I am glad that this author walked away from their experience whole, however, women who carry to term are statistically less likely to suffer serious mental health side effects than those who
terminate. Perinatalhospice.org has a lot of statistics about this.
Lastly, most of these serious defects are extremely rare- the most commonly aborted poor prognosis fetus, is the one who carries an extra chromosomes 21- Down Syndrome.... 90% of all children diagnosed in the womb with Downs will be aborted.
So while not making a blanket judgement, remember that that ties both ways- women are terminating for disable defects, or survivable disabilities, because they don't want a child who is afflicted with something like
DS.
Some sites in relation to this: perinatalhospice.org , benotafraid.net , prenatalpartnersforlufe.org , sufficientgraceministries.org , stringofpearls.org ...... and specifically for limb body wall complex: limbbodywallcomplex.net