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Islam is not such a peaceful religion in the eyes of some within it as all have the bad apples that hurt others. We see many factions killing others who differ, form the brand.

There is also an old Arab saying it is OK to lie to infidels and kiss your enemies feet until you can cut his throat.

Many conversions have been at the end of a sword and chain of slavery so to say it is peaceful is a lie in and of itself.

What needs to happen is not only comments of why did this happen or ( I wish it were a person named Smith) but out right rage and actions against these within Islam that preach and teach this hate as all Muslims know where and why this happened.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia both pay for schools here that teach this and Shari and this needs stopped as the Imams teach this hate and funding of this against the US the place we welcome people to live and worship in peace unlike the places they came from.

To all in Islam that are peaceful stand up against honor killings and Shari and other Islamic acts of hate not only in words of fear but in action clean these Imams out and support the ones who stand up even in fear of their lives from within their own religion the place to fear not the US people named Smith.

Take back your faith and stop the hate within and make it known you do not and will not allow your faith to be run by the hate that is the Muslim Brotherhood and others.

We understand yet we cannot ignore the fact that there are so many Muslims who feel that they are called to fight in support of terrorism. We need to be more concerned about this fact. Sorry.

I remember the trashing of a local mosque following 9/11. It was sad and uncalled for and I was glad that it was people of other faiths who stood up to help in the clean-up. I am Christian, but I also shared the reaction of regret that the man is a Muslim. I have witnessed too much ignorance and misunderstanding of our Muslim brothers and sisters--dispite the work of many throughout the religious community (including those who are not Muslim) to counter such prejudice.

All that said, what remains is that we only have limited suppositions based on circumstantial evidence to help us understand at this point why Hasan did what he did.

From continued reporting on this case, it is apparent that he did this at least partially in service to his muslim faith. That cannot be denied. And to be sure, there are many other muslims in this country who feel like devotion to the harder passages of the Quran, and will act on it from inside the boundaries of the US.

But it must be remembered that not ALL muslims are of this radical nature, just as not all Christians are extremists who would commit murder in order to further their own "God-given mission".

In dealing with other muslims in America, we need to keep compassionate hearts, especially when they display the same disdain as we do for this kind of activity. Not alll muslims are killers, nor do they adhere to the teachings which preach it.

There are over one billion Muslims in the world. Even if there were a million Muslims who were truly violent radicals, that would still be less than .001% of the total global Islamic population.

I agree with the above posters. I am a Christian and I work with a lot of Muslims. I find them to be a lot like Christians - there are some very conservative, fundamemtalists who are very devout and some who are not religious at all. Like Christians, most seem to fall in the middle. Let's not condemn an entire religion based on the extreme actions of a relative few.

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From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Mahmoud El-Yousseph" <elyousseph6@yahoo.com>V iew contact detailsTo: "Mahmoud El-Yousseph" <elyousseph6@yahoo.com>T he truth of Newark, Ohio posted this comment:
<<<There is also an old Arab saying it is OK to lie to infidels and kiss your enemies feet until you can cut his throat.>>>
Take it from the horse's mouth, there is no such saying exists in Arabic language. However, there is an idiomatic expression," kiss the dog from the mouth, till you get what you want. There is another similar idiom that says, " if you see the dog sitting on the thrown, then put shackles to your feet."
That said, this Muslim commenter feels saddened and angry by what happened at Fort Hood yesterday. Whatever demons possessed Maj. Hasan, he went about it the wrong way. This soldier is no way representative of the Arab American or Muslim American community.
Those who attack Islam and imply the guilt by association analogy are dead wrong. They are either ignorant or liars. Guilty by association is not compatible with the U.S. constitution. If I say Hitler was vegetarian, would you would say vegetarianism is wrong. It would be laughable.
On that note, when a Jew or Christian commit a crime, does anyone care about his or her faith. It does not really matter. So, why is when a Muslim commits a crime Islam is put on trial?
There are currently over 10,000 American Muslims and 3,500 Arab American serving in all 4 branches of our armed forces as well as in the national guard. They are serving along their fellow soldiers protecting our national security and defending our freedom. Any claim that those soldiers are security threat and not loyal citizens to our country is a treason and smack in the face.
Finally, my heart goes the victims of this tragedy and their family, as well as to the Hasans' family who have to endure the same pain and anguish that others are going through. Let us focus on what cause this officer to snab and turn his gun on his comrades and the people whome he suppose to help. Perhaps we could learn a lesson. There are still many an unanswered questions about this tragic event.
Have you met an Arab or talked to a Muslim today? Maybe they would have more to say!
Thank You, form an Arab American veteran and proud father of a U.S. Army soldier- who just ended today his second tour of duty in Iraq. and on his way to the good ol' USA. Thank Allah for that!
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God hates haters wrote:

I agree with the above posters. I am a Christian and I work with a lot of Muslims. I find them to be a lot like Christians - there are some very conservative, fundamemtalists who are very devout and some who are not religious at all. Like Christians, most seem to fall in the middle. Let's not condemn an entire religion based on the extreme actions of a relative few.

Christianity, Judaism and Mohammedamism is basically all the same!!! In many ways, Mohammedamism is closer to Christianity (they honor most of our early saints, including Mary, mother of Jesus) than anything else.

It's all the same freaking thing!!!

they fear nothing ! And we dont either ! So, lets get this thing on . Let the jihaad begin

Islam and Christianity
Similarities and Differences
by James Abdul Rahim Gaudet, Rabia Mills
and Syed Mumtaz Ali



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Contents
Introduction
Similarities - Creation
Similarities - The Lord's Prayer compared to Surah Fatehah
Similarities - Quranic verses to the Biblical 10 Commandments
Similarities - Quranic verses to Laws of Consanguinity
Similarities - Basic Concepts
Similarities - Moral Code
Similarities - Practices
Differences - Basic Concepts
Differences - Moral Code
Differences - Practices
Similarities - Secularism
Differences - Secularism

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1. I'm all for freedom of religion, as any American should be.
2. Does anyone agree that freedom of religion does not include the right to cause harm to others or restrict their religious beliefs, or force yours on others?
3. Do Muslims see the need to "police themselves" and weed out the defective individuals among them?
4. Why don't I ever hear of one Muslim turning in another for planning acts of terrorism?
5. Are Muslims doing anything to teach their own how to live in a free, peaceful, American society or practice the tolerance and respect we have for them?
6. Should non Muslims give a "free pass" to Muslims in all matters so we don't appear to be profiling, prejudice, racist, politically incorrect, anti Muslim, insensitive, or anything else that the more naive among us would like to label us?
These are not inflammatory, rhetorical questions; I think many Americans would like them answered by people who sincerely practice the faith of islam, if there are any.
I don't want to see any Muslim harmed, abused, discriminated against, or anything of the kind, but I think it is time that some responsibility is taken.
If you don't, can't or won't get yourselves under control, then you have no right to complain about the treatment received at the hands of anyone else.
At his point, being an "Innocent Muslim" is looking a lot like being an "Innocent NAZI". I don't see how any of you are working to change this.
The most persecuted group of people in history - the Jewish People, who you hate without reservation or apology, have never done so much to destroy a peaceful world as the followers of muhammed.
Muslims need to take responsibility for their own people, or they will be held accountable by folks who are a lot less understanding and tolerant than me. It will happen, in time, and it will get very ugly.
I pray that you all will "clean your own house" before it is too late.
The KKK was formed to suppress African Americans who never did anything to anyone as a group, but came here as slaves or immigrants, sought opportunity after emancipation, and tried to live as good Americans for the most part. The KKK committed many atrocities, murdered, burned, lynched, raped and persecuted Black Americans for simply being here.
Do you not think that you might be perceived, in time, as a bigger threat than they were?
Are you proving yourselves better citizens and Americans than they?
Have you contributed to American culture, art, music, science, literature, military service, political/community service and American Industry as many other groups have, or are you living silently, biding your time?
Can you turn the eye of suspicion from yourselves or do you wish to continue to be perceived the way you are by many?
You have only enjoyed the protection from society you have now because of the sacrifices of other persecuted people and changes in American law and culture caused by their hardship and suffering.
For your own good, and the good of your religion, culture and future generations of Muslim people, you need to do something, staring NOW.

Similarities

The Lord's Prayer compared to Surah Fateha
We see that both the Lord's prayer in the Bible and the Opening Chapter of the Qur'an (Sura al-Fateha), go to the root of all religions ever professed by man. They are truly universal prayers. No man need hesitate to join in the solemn recitation of either.
The Islamic prayer is simpler than the Christian prayer. We do not say that one is good and that the other is bad. No, both are very good indeed, however one seems simpler than the other. Let us compare them.

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If we carefully compare the parts of each prayer which are written above as separate paragraphs (a)(b) and (c), we will observe that there are differences only in language, yet there are no differences whatsoever in meaning. There is in both prayers absolutely the same spirit of (a) Adoration (b) Submission and (c) Supplication.

It is also of interest to note that a Prophetic Tradition (Hadith) that is included in Abu Dawud's collection of Hadith is as follows: "Narrated Abu Darda': I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: If any of you is suffering from anything or his brother is suffering, he should say: Our Lord is Allah Who is in the heaven, holy is Thy name, Thy command reigns supreme in the heaven and the earth, as Thy mercy in the heaven, make Thy mercy in the earth; forgive us our sins, and our errors; Thou art the Lord of good men; send down mercy from Thy mercy, and remedy, and remedy from Thy remedy on this pain so that it is healed up." [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 28, Number 3883]

Math wrote:

There are over one billion Muslims in the world. Even if there were a million Muslims who were truly violent radicals, that would still be less than .001% of the total global Islamic population.

Wise up - there are quite a few more than 1 million radicals. Many of them who lack the guts to be radicals support them.

macktrapper wrote:

1. I'm all for freedom of religion, as any American should be.
2. Does anyone agree that freedom of religion does not include the right to cause harm to others or restrict their religious beliefs, or force yours on others?
3. Do Muslims see the need to "police themselves" and weed out the defective individuals among them?
4. Why don't I ever hear of one Muslim turning in another for planning acts of terrorism?
5. Are Muslims doing anything to teach their own how to live in a free, peaceful, American society or practice the tolerance and respect we have for them?
6. Should non Muslims give a "free pass" to Muslims in all matters so we don't appear to be profiling, prejudice, racist, politically incorrect, anti Muslim, insensitive, or anything else that the more naive among us would like to label us?
These are not inflammatory, rhetorical questions; I think many Americans would like them answered by people who sincerely practice the faith of islam, if there are any.
I don't want to see any Muslim harmed, abused, discriminated against, or anything of the kind, but I think it is time that some responsibility is taken.
If you don't, can't or won't get yourselves under control, then you have no right to complain about the treatment received at the hands of anyone else.
At his point, being an "Innocent Muslim" is looking a lot like being an "Innocent NAZI". I don't see how any of you are working to change this.
The most persecuted group of people in history - the Jewish People, who you hate without reservation or apology, have never done so much to destroy a peaceful world as the followers of muhammed.
Muslims need to take responsibility for their own people, or they will be held accountable by folks who are a lot less understanding and tolerant than me. It will happen, in time, and it will get very ugly.
I pray that you all will "clean your own house" before it is too late.
The KKK was formed to suppress African Americans who never did anything to anyone as a group, but came here as slaves or immigrants, sought opportunity after emancipation, and tried to live as good Americans for the most part. The KKK committed many atrocities, murdered, burned, lynched, raped and persecuted Black Americans for simply being here.
Do you not think that you might be perceived, in time, as a bigger threat than they were?
Are you proving yourselves better citizens and Americans than they?
Have you contributed to American culture, art, music, science, literature, military service, political/community service and American Industry as many other groups have, or are you living silently, biding your time?
Can you turn the eye of suspicion from yourselves or do you wish to continue to be perceived the way you are by many?
You have only enjoyed the protection from society you have now because of the sacrifices of other persecuted people and changes in American law and culture caused by their hardship and suffering.
For your own good, and the good of your religion, culture and future generations of Muslim people, you need to do something, staring NOW.

You know a lot of what you have written can be said about our government also.Our government is in their land bombing cities, forcing themselves on people who dont want them there.They dont care to hear about Christianity and not about to convert.So, dont force your religion on us , so they say. My point is the same things they are being accused of we do also. Bring our troops home

Muslims can't play the victim card convincingly because it is their own mosques and madrassahs that regularly condition and commission these terrorists for global action.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/map.php

<Muslims need to take responsibility for their own people, or they will be held accountable by folks who are a lot less understanding and tolerant than me. It will happen, in time, and it will get very ugly. I pray that you all will "clean your own house" before it is too late.>

The above statement was made by poster Macktrapperspan>.

Macktrapper: I have one advice to you, if you want to have a dialog and civil debate, please refrain from making any vile threat against Muslims.

If you wish to learn more about Muslim sacrifices, contributions, for the safety and welfare of America, and find answers for the questions you posed. I recommend you visit the websites of CAIR.org or APAAM.org [the association of Patriotic Arab American in the Military.
And yes, we teach our kids to live their country[America] to work hard, be honest, not to cheat on taxes, to vote, and to serve in our Armed forces. On more personal level, the last thing my oldest son told me on his way to Iraq a year ago: "If I die, I want to be buried in Arlington!" Many of your posted remarks were offensive and disturbing, and distasteful. No thanks for you advice!

Grow up, bigots!

Learn to think and analyze things critically. Don't just follow lock-step what some stupid preacher tells you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religi...

Abrahamic religions

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abrahamic religions (also known as Abrahamic faiths, Abrahamic traditions, and the religions of Abraham) has become a popular and often used designation for the monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, emphasizing their common origin and values. For some 1,300 years their histories and thought have been intertwined. The three are all considered inextricably linked to one another because of a 'family likeness' and a certain commonality in theology.[1] They are faiths that recognize a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.[2][3][4] However, relationships among them have varied from time and place and have often been characterized by mistrust, hatred [5] and even war/persecution (e.g., the Crusades, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Inquisition).

Today, there are an estimated 3.8 billion followers of the three largest Abrahamic religions,[6] accounting for more than half of the world's population.[7] By some measurements, Islam is the fastest growing.[8]

By contrast, the major non-Abrahamic world religions are Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism.[9] They are the "Eastern religions" that include the "Dharmic" religions of India and the "Taoic" East Asian religions.

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Symbols of the three largest Abrahamic religions: Judaism (top), Christianity (left) and Islam (right).

Map showing the prevalence of Abrahamic (pink) and Eastern religions and belief systems (yellow) in each country.

Enzyte Bob wrote:

Grow up, bigots!
Learn to think and analyze things critically. Don't just follow lock-step what some stupid preacher tells you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religi...
Abrahamic religions
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abrahamic religions (also known as Abrahamic faiths, Abrahamic traditions, and the religions of Abraham) has become a popular and often used designation for the monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, emphasizing their common origin and values. For some 1,300 years their histories and thought have been intertwined. The three are all considered inextricably linked to one another because of a 'family likeness' and a certain commonality in theology.[1] They are faiths that recognize a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.[2][3][4] However, relationships among them have varied from time and place and have often been characterized by mistrust, hatred [5] and even war/persecution (e.g., the Crusades, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Inquisition).
Today, there are an estimated 3.8 billion followers of the three largest Abrahamic religions,[6] accounting for more than half of the world's population.[7] By some measurements, Islam is the fastest growing.[8]
By contrast, the major non-Abrahamic world religions are Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism.[9] They are the "Eastern religions" that include the "Dharmic" religions of India and the "Taoic" East Asian religions.
Jump to: navigation, search
Symbols of the three largest Abrahamic religions: Judaism (top), Christianity (left) and Islam (right).
Map showing the prevalence of Abrahamic (pink) and Eastern religions and belief systems (yellow) in each country.

id, you use wikipedia as a resource then you're more stupid than you look

"I have one advice to you, if you want to have a dialog and civil debate, please refrain from making any vile threat against Muslims."

The time for dialog is nearly at an end. One more push from you people and the World will say "Enough!" and squash you like the vermin that you are. Ground Zero - Kaaba. It is going to happen and Allah can not protect you.

NOOK MEKKAH!

Isnt it nice to know that muslims can post threats on here but I have responded twice and the mediator doesnt allow me to post .Removes mine. Lets see if he or she will allow this or a phone number so we can discuss it