Dream a little DREAM: A solution to US illegal immigration that is fair to all

Jan 10, 2012 Full story: Christian Science Monitor 39

In US immigration debate, compassion for children brought here illegally by parents, and fairness to citizens and legal immigrants do not have to be diametrically opposed.

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“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#24 Jan 11, 2012
Lobo wrote:
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you apparently must be a native american. Otherwise you have no right to be making comments like these. so where are you packing your bags to?
This is soo "been there done that" that I didn't even read the article. The answer was "NO!" several times over. Your Native American (notice the appropriately place capital letters)remark is lame and worn out. Move on....

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#25 Jan 11, 2012
illigally in wrote:
ya just think that ya in this country ligally, moth...er please check your history and shu...up
We all just think we're here "ligally"?? Check your spelling you third grade dropout.

My ancestors immigrated here legally, so yep, too bad for you, I'm here legally.

On top of that, it was a Caucasian European who set foot on these lands first -- not Native Americans. Therefore, you can't say one damn thing about anything.

Now, get your dumbarse back in school. You seriously need it, as you are illiterate.

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf127/sf127p...

the first humans to walk on the American continents were the Solutreans, a Caucasian race of people who traveled from Europe tens of thousands of years before even the so-called "Indians" traveled into North America via the Bering Straits, and whose remains,including the highly-disputed Kennewick Man and Clovis Point, have been found in recent decades. Surprise, surprise!

Archeological sites in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and South Carolina (SF#125) dating back 15,000-18,000 years demonstrate that the ocean-going Solutreans had footholds in the Americas 3,0006,000 years before Asian landlubbers trekked into Alaska.

Those above mentioned states ARE in the USA.

That is one of several controversial theories that has not held up under DNA review. The Clovis were from central Asia and are the most accepted first people with large permanent settlements. The genetic diversity of some Dna samples from similar time periods show that people from Africa,Japan as well as Polynesia also were present in the new world as well (north and south America).

http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/who.php

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Chumash/EntryDate.html

Nordic explorers came to North America hundreds of years before Columbus was even born.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#26 Jan 11, 2012
lol wrote:
People without education brainless don't understand that the only people who can talk about it are the native american who own this lands. Oh my bad someone else stole the land from them we should start sending people that r not american look ur skin color ignorant. People. Tetelguitles
Oh my! Yet another third grade dropout.

Wrong. Caucasian Europeans were the first people here, not Native Americans. Sorry for you.

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf127/sf127p...

the first humans to walk on the American continents were the Solutreans, a Caucasian race of people who traveled from Europe tens of thousands of years before even the so-called "Indians" traveled into North America via the Bering Straits, and whose remains,including the highly-disputed Kennewick Man and Clovis Point, have been found in recent decades. Surprise, surprise!

Archeological sites in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and South Carolina (SF#125) dating back 15,000-18,000 years demonstrate that the ocean-going Solutreans had footholds in the Americas 3,0006,000 years before Asian landlubbers trekked into Alaska.

Those above mentioned states ARE in the USA.

That is one of several controversial theories that has not held up under DNA review. The Clovis were from central Asia and are the most accepted first people with large permanent settlements. The genetic diversity of some Dna samples from similar time periods show that people from Africa,Japan as well as Polynesia also were present in the new world as well (north and south America).

http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/who.php

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Chumash/EntryDate.html

Nordic explorers came to North America hundreds of years before Columbus was even born.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#27 Jan 11, 2012
Lobo wrote:
<quoted text>
you apparently must be a native american. Otherwise you have no right to be making comments like these. so where are you packing your bags to?
A). Already proved to you science has found that it was Caucasian Europeans who were here first. Thus, you are out of steam.

B). When explorers came to this land, there were no immigration laws in place. That is how things were done. People explored lands and conquered them. The Native American Indians even did that to each other -- conquered other tribes, took land, women, etc.

You do realize that if there is no law against it, then it cannot be illegal to do it, right?

Later, after the land was settled, immigration laws, rules, regulations, etc. were put into place. People came through legal ports of entry such as Ellis Island. When people follow the rules and laws in place at that time, that means they came LEGALLY. If one follows the laws and comes legally, they cannot be and are not an illegal alien.

Ellis Island (and other legal ports of entry) were not one big party, and they were not a guarantee of getting in here and being allowed to stay.

And, while Spain claimed much of the land, certain colonies belonged to Britain and the colonists were INVITED here to help settle the land. There was a NEED for people to settle this land. We no longer have that need, and we *do* have immigration laws. Too bad for you.

Since: Aug 11

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#28 Jan 11, 2012
annie wrote:
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How many of them would have gone to college in their homeland? If the answer is 0, we are not denying them anything they had a chance to obtain. Go back and fight your homeland.
those who do go to college in their homeland for some reason i don't think they get a free ride as they want here for it.

seems we may have taught a few engineers the way some of those tunnels are constructed.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#30 Jan 12, 2012
Once you allow a crack in the damn it will only get bigger. The aim of illegals is to allow as many of them into the country as possible. Call it what you will, it's all the same.

Too bad their parents broke the law and now they have to pay for it.

Why don't they ask other countries to take them in? Because no country wants illegal aliens.

Since: Aug 11

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#31 Jan 12, 2012
spytheweb wrote:
Once you allow a crack in the damn it will only get bigger. The aim of illegals is to allow as many of them into the country as possible. Call it what you will, it's all the same.
Too bad their parents broke the law and now they have to pay for it.
Why don't they ask other countries to take them in? Because no country wants illegal aliens.
its not just that,if you look at every state in the union we are being invaded. this has nothing to do with immigration any longer it is about taking a country without firing a shot,the weapons used is their breeding habits that we are paying for.

all shamnesty was a fail,the one regan did was to end the problem and very well would have if all the laws that went along with it were enforced as written. it ended with just the ringing of the dinner bell.

then add in the idea of the NAU and it shows the reason not much of anything is being done. the freetrade agreement was the tip of the iceberg . we need to do everything we can to get rid of all those agreements.

“look up and laugh”

Since: Jun 08

guess, where

#32 Jan 12, 2012
ship them all back and charge their country for our trouble.
Concerned US Citizens

Denver, CO

#33 Jan 12, 2012
Morton Memos Put To The Test And Found Wanting

In 2011, FAIR was there to let America know about the historic presidential power grab of congressional authority that produced controversial "Morton Memos" - seemingly innocuous "reprioritization" that has produced an administrative amnesty. FAIR warned of the dangers their new policies would cause to American citizens and the people's right to decide who gets to come to the U.S. FAIR is right there, and we have the fight of our lives.

The story below is typical -- but seeing it reported in the news is not:

Saul Chavez was previously convicted of a DUI, but was not handed over to ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) because he was lucky enough to be in Chicago, a proud Sanctuary City and home of this 'president's' re-election machine. Chavez drove drunk again, this time killing 66-year-old father Dennis McCann.

Without penalty, Chicago police declined to hand Chavez over to ICE, allowing him to walk. Not surprisingly, Chavez skipped bail and will likely not be held accountable for killing an American citizen.

Because Chavez would likely have been convicted of homicide, he might qualify for deportation under Obama's new "reprioritization." But, remember, Chavez was convicted of a crime before he killed McCann. Under Obama's new priorities, Chavez would not have qualified as a priority since he was only convicted of a misdemeanor. Though he was here illegally and was found breaking our laws, Chicago allowed him to stay to break yet another law that devastatingly resulted in a man's death - this is the policy that Obama has adopted nationally.

Remember: this administration is also suing states that seek to get immigration laws enforced. Increasingly, counties and cities are getting the message: this 'president' won't enforce the laws so we won't even honor ICE detainers. A true national crisis is upon us.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#34 Jan 12, 2012
That's right America, let's allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to force us to change our laws and create a new type of immigrant status to appease those whose parents smuggled them into this country.

Let's hand them what their parents sneaked into this country to steal.

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#35 Jan 12, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
A). Already proved to you science has found that it was Caucasian Europeans who were here first. Thus, you are out of steam.
B). When explorers came to this land, there were no immigration laws in place. That is how things were done. People explored lands and conquered them. The Native American Indians even did that to each other -- conquered other tribes, took land, women, etc.
You do realize that if there is no law against it, then it cannot be illegal to do it, right?
Later, after the land was settled, immigration laws, rules, regulations, etc. were put into place. People came through legal ports of entry such as Ellis Island. When people follow the rules and laws in place at that time, that means they came LEGALLY. If one follows the laws and comes legally, they cannot be and are not an illegal alien.
Ellis Island (and other legal ports of entry) were not one big party, and they were not a guarantee of getting in here and being allowed to stay.
And, while Spain claimed much of the land, certain colonies belonged to Britain and the colonists were INVITED here to help settle the land. There was a NEED for people to settle this land. We no longer have that need, and we *do* have immigration laws. Too bad for you.
One thing you will find among all of these racists claims is that history starts and stops whereever they want it to. Remember the map showing how far Mexico reaches into the US? For a brief moment in history it did look similar to that and that is where those racist are stuck, that tiny little moment of time.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#36 Jan 13, 2012
Lobo wrote:
<quoted text>
you apparently must be a native american. Otherwise you have no right to be making comments like these. so where are you packing your bags to?
I am a native American. I was born in the United States to legal citizens of the United States as were my parents, therefore I am a native American and I have every right to make any comment I wish.
Sad

Franklin Park, IL

#37 Jan 13, 2012
It's pretty interesting how ppl argue about things that really don't make sense. Who cares about where ppl come from, it's not about their background is about who they are. Aren't we all humans? Why do we always want to see other ppl suffer. Many ppl in other countries don't have anything. No food, clothes, education, ect... We have it all and still we are not satisfied. I guess we will learn to appreciate what we have until everything is taken away from us. We are all the same! A boarder does not divide humanity nor human morality. God bless u guys!
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#38 Jan 13, 2012
Sad wrote:
A boarder does not divide humanity nor human morality. God bless u guys!
Try telling that to Mexico, Iraq, England, China or every other country. See how far you get invading and squatting in another country. Try stealing another countries jobs, housing and social services and see how far you get. Illegally enter another country and reproduce and see if your baby gets birthright citizenship.

You sound just like every other ILLEGAL ALIEN invader trying to justify your actions.
Sad

Franklin Park, IL

#39 Jan 14, 2012
"Pando"
You sound just like every other ILLEGAL ALIEN invader trying to justify your actions. Actually I'm white but thanks for calling me an alien :) pretty funny thanks for making me laugh
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#40 Jan 14, 2012
Sad wrote:
"Pando"
You sound just like every other ILLEGAL ALIEN invader trying to justify your actions. Actually I'm white but thanks for calling me an alien :) pretty funny thanks for making me laugh
And exactly what does being "white" have to do with being an ILLEGAL ALIEN?

ILLEGAL ALIENS come from all countries and all races.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#42 Jan 15, 2012
Sad wrote:
"Pando"
You sound just like every other ILLEGAL ALIEN invader trying to justify your actions. Actually I'm white but thanks for calling me an alien :) pretty funny thanks for making me laugh
Illegal aliens come in all colors, all religions, etc. While the *majority* of illegal aliens are Hispanic, they are not ALL Hispanic. First one I turned in (to ICE *and* the IRS) was a white one from Ireland.

So exactly what does being *white* have to do with the price of beans? Or, in this situation, being illegal or not?

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#43 Jan 15, 2012
Sad wrote:
It's pretty interesting how ppl argue about things that really don't make sense. Who cares about where ppl come from, it's not about their background is about who they are. Aren't we all humans? Why do we always want to see other ppl suffer. Many ppl in other countries don't have anything. No food, clothes, education, ect... We have it all and still we are not satisfied. I guess we will learn to appreciate what we have until everything is taken away from us. We are all the same! A boarder does not divide humanity nor human morality. God bless u guys!
There are LAWS. Ever hear of those animals? LAWS?! People must follow them. We simply cannot afford to take care of the world's poor. That is a fact. We already have our own homegrown poor and we can't even take care of them, but we keep letting these illegal aliens stay and mooch off us, costing us plenty. They need to go home.

God believes in following man's law, and he also believes in respecting borders.(Boarders are those who rent a room, mind you.)

So God is against the illegal invaders, as well. I believe they are all going to hell for their thefts.
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#44 Jan 15, 2012
Bible quote on illegal entry:

(John 10:1)

"Amen, amen I say to you: He that enter not by the
door into the sheepfold, but climb up another way, the same is a thief and a robber."

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