Mel Gibson Drops F-Bomb On Mayan Expert

Estrada should be fired from her job at the college. I am sick and tired of these malcontents always looking for trouble. The Mayans were a waring people who sacrificed those they captured. So Shud-up Estrada!

THEAprof wrote:

So the one report you cite is somehow more accurate than the news article I read. Why is your version the "gospel truth" but other reports are false?

Well you got me there. I can't really argue with someone who trusts a website that specializes in paparazzi pictures of celebrities picking their noses over dozens of established news organizations.

More Media BS.

His quote was published today. He never told her to F%^&k Off.

He said for her " to go back and read some more F$%^ing Books on the subject and get an education....

Typical.

I am a Dine' indigeneous filmmaker and I viewed the Apogolypto.  I attended UCLA and received my MFA from there in 86.  The film was a very racist and violent depiction of the Mayan culture and people: a turn off.  Very few dramas, comedies,  animations get WRITTEN/PRODUCED/DIRECTED BY INDIGENOUS FILMMAKERS ANYHOW in these CONTEMPORARY TIMES IN HOLLYWOOD.  Oh yeah, there are indigenous filmmakers out there in the Americas.  When a person like Estrada and the Mayan community expresses an opposite/true point of view than what mainstream non-indigenous people wants to believe about indigenous people, the systematic stereotypes and sexism that continues, it gets trashed and censored especially from a female like at that student filmmaker's screening at California State at Northridge in LA from people like Gibson and his publicists. At that student film screening with filmmaker present with question and answer, that is the last place where film students will ever again get to hear various critiques about a produced film.  After that the conservative, mainstream movie thinking dictates what can be heard just like what happened at the question/answer with the film students and Gibson.  Actually it's kind of sad that the mainstream public, his publicists and Gibson are uneducated  and uninformed about what really happens and goes about Mayan people and the other indigenous peoples in the Americas.   Yes, positive things happen, but still there's a lot of oppression against the Mayans and many indigenous peoples to resolve and make change for:  a low intensity war that goes on in Chiapas, radioactive materials scattered and left there to clean up from private companies that mined uranium in various areas of the Navajo Reservation and other conflicts to fix throughout the whole of the Americas. Estrada has a lot of courage to express her displeasure in how the mainstream cinema treats topics like Apogolypto in this day and age.  That's why indigenous people and other people who understand indigenous values, culture and language, we rightfully have the right to write/direct/produce dramas/comedies/music videos/animation other types of works to express our own stories and to make these comments whether it is liked or not.  That's what it's about. Why do you think Spike Lee, an Afro-American filmmaker and an Iranian female filmmaker Samira Makhmalbat directed and wrote their own feature films.   The mainstream public,  most of the people who wrote these anti Estrada comments and Gibson do not get it about the issues that concern people of color, especially in the United States, Canada and Mexico where hardly anyone knows much about the First Nations who live there and else where such as the Mayans. I know so.

Arlene Bowman wrote:

After that the conservative, mainstream movie thinking dictates what can be heard

That's the problem alright, Hollywood's just too conservative.

Chopped N Screwed wrote:

It's just like a Latina woman to invade someone's space when they're not wanted.
Especially with a half-baked argument that Mayans were "good" people.Get out of my face!
Latinos and they're ancestors are some of the most corrupt,racist people that this earth has ever mistakenly created.They don't even have the decency to stay in their OWN country.
Mel Gibson is an excellent man and his films like 'Lethal Weapon 2" were masterpieces.
I don't mind Australians if they're cool.
But Mexicans,Mayans,Salvys and all the rest of the cockaroaches need to turn around and go home.
They should leave a few prostitutes here for our enjoyment,however.

Dude, Mel was born in America. I swear, the racists really show us all the time just how stupid they are. You want to kick all "non Americans" out of this country? Okay, you'll have to begin with the whites since they certainly have no indigenous claims to stay here. Grow up and join the sane world.

THEAprof wrote:

So the one report you cite is somehow more accurate than the news article I read. Why is your version the "gospel truth" but other reports are false? You accuse me of hating Gibson (which I do -- I hate all racist, homophobic people), but you are just as biased in your support of the man.
And there can be no question that he shouted profanity at the woman. THAT is unacceptable, no matter what.
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Dear THEAprof, there really is no sense in arguing with the Melfans. The man is G-d in their eyes and nothing he can do or say is anything less than divine. The man literally claimed that G-d had written his bit of sadismfest "The Passion" and no one remotely challenged him! It blows my mind what people allow this bigot to get away with. By the way, love the screen name. Very clever.

THEAprof wrote:

Did ANY of you yahoos bother to read the article before you posted your kneejerk defense of Gibson?
He was speaking before a film class. The discussion was about his research before he started working on the film. Estrada, who is a professor of central American studies at the college, was questioning the depth of his research. She asked if Gibson had read a particular book. He dodged the question, and she continued to ask until he lost his temper and started hurling obscenities at her.
Sorry, but Gibson was way out of line. If he wasn't prepared to answer questions about his film, then he should not have agreed to appear before the class. It sounds like he expected simply to be worshipped. Gibson is a self-rightous hypocrite. I have refused to see any movie with which he has been connected since "Braveheart."

Does this University often ask film artists to speak to more academically minded groups? I'll never defend Mr Gibson, but he seems like a poor choice to have as a speaker for anything other than a film class, unless he was just there for the professors to make light of him. I mean, asking if he read a particular book. That sure sounds like a set-up. Although, he did not handle himself well in the spotlight.

This is supposed to be Mel sober. DAMN!!!

Devils Advct wrote:

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Does this University often ask film artists to speak to more academically minded groups?

He was speaking to a film class. Does that count as an "academically minded group"?

Arlene Bowman wrote:

I am a Dine' indigeneous filmmaker and I viewed the Apogolypto.  I attended UCLA and received my MFA from there in 86...When a person like Estrada and the Mayan community expresses an opposite/true point of view than what mainstream non-indigenous people wants to believe about indigenous people... The mainstream public, most of the people who wrote these anti Estrada comments and Gibson do not get it about the issues that concern people of color, especially in the United States, Canada and Mexico where hardly anyone knows much about the First Nations who live there and else where such as the Mayans. I know so.

Arlene Bowman-indigenous filmmaker first thing I want to tell you:”Go back to school!” Frankly talking I had better opinion about UCLA. Your opposite/true opinion is just a stream of demagogy fabricated by vulgar emotions of uneducated and low profile politicians. It is obvious that you haven’t seen masterpieces of world movie makers and are lucking in constructive analysis. First did Mayans practice Human sacrifice? Did they or did they not?

Second, I do not know what have you viewed and where, but definitely one time watching is not enough for YOU. Go back again and this time ask a colleague of yours, if you have anyone better to join you and to analyze this move for you. This movie is missing some elements of perfection to become a full masterpiece, but it has nothing with racism. Your level of intellect has not grown much better then that of the uneducated colored Americans (you are presenting), who are pretending for something they do not belong to…

I am one of “by you” defined so-called Mel-protectors. I am not protecting Mel Gibson and am sure he doen’t need it. This is a principal issue about modern art and patriarchal/ prehistoric deformities in communities.

Arlene Bowman wrote:

I am a Dine' indigeneous filmmaker and I viewed the Apogolypto. I attended UCLA and received my MFA from there in 86. The film was a very racist and violent depiction of the Mayan culture and people: a turn off. Very few dramas, comedies, animations get WRITTEN/PRODUCED/DIRECTED BY INDIGENOUS FILMMAKERS ANYHOW in these CONTEMPORARY TIMES IN HOLLYWOOD. Oh yeah, there are indigenous filmmakers out there in the Americas. When a person like Estrada and the Mayan community expresses an opposite/true point of view than what mainstream non-indigenous people wants to believe about indigenous people, the systematic stereotypes and sexism that continues, it gets trashed and censored especially from a female like at that student filmmaker's screening at California State at Northridge in LA from people like Gibson and his publicists. At that student film screening with filmmaker present with question and answer, that is the last place where film students will ever again get to hear various critiques about a produced film. After that the conservative, mainstream movie thinking dictates what can be heard just like what happened at the question/answer with the film students and Gibson. Actually it's kind of sad that the mainstream public, his publicists and Gibson are uneducated and uninformed about what really happens and goes about Mayan people and the other indigenous peoples in the Americas. Yes, positive things happen, but still there's a lot of oppression against the Mayans and many indigenous peoples to resolve and make change for: a low intensity war that goes on in Chiapas, radioactive materials scattered and left there to clean up from private companies that mined uranium in various areas of the Navajo Reservation and other conflicts to fix throughout the whole of the Americas. Estrada has a lot of courage to express her displeasure in how the mainstream cinema treats topics like Apogolypto in this day and age. That's why indigenous people and other people who understand indigenous values, culture and language, we rightfully have the right to write/direct/produce dramas/comedies/music videos/animation other types of works to express our own stories and to make these comments whether it is liked or not. That's what it's about. Why do you think Spike Lee, an Afro-American filmmaker and an Iranian female filmmaker Samira Makhmalbat directed and wrote their own feature films. The mainstream public, most of the people who wrote these anti Estrada comments and Gibson do not get it about the issues that concern people of color, especially in the United States, Canada and Mexico where hardly anyone knows much about the First Nations who live there and else where such as the Mayans. I know so.

Another bunch of dribble from so called newly educated. If I was Mayan, I'd grab you and send you to the sacrificial altar. OHM! You are always ready to cry that no one else can tell the tale. and so ready to have the indigenious do it. Hey, what about reincarnation. Maybe those who are Not now Mayan, once were. And maybe you were a Spaniard sailing the seas towards there? anyway, why not complain more of those film producers who Always have an agenda. That would be more helpful.

Ashot LA USA wrote:

I do not know who Estarada is, but from the report it seems that she intensely went to that meeting to sabotage the event and make a cheep image for herself. If she is that good let her speak-up at her own meeting and open up and prove that she is a professional.

'Gibson's publicist, Alan Nierob, told TMZ: "This person was a heckler who was rude and disrupted the event, so much so that the event organizers had to escort her out."'

Does this remind anyone of the Michaels (Kramer) incident ?

Mel Gibson and Michaels are two people who were practically crucified by the media for reacting to provocation in a less than serene way....

Chopped N Screwed wrote:

It's just like a Latina woman to invade someone's space when they're not wanted.
Especially with a half-baked argument that Mayans were "good" people.Get out of my face!

I believe it is perfectly possible they actually were good people when they took breaks from ripping people's hearts out alive.

Most of public within this commentaries react very redneck, bigoted and childish to Gibson article and my point-of-view. Grow up. Indigenous people lived here first before the colonists arrived. Maybe it's not worth it to write a comment among Americans who think they know about the real history of Americas and in regards to what's happening to First Nations people and people of color, when you do not. It's like talking to WAll who is stupid. I'm not the only one who has this point-of-view.

Arlene Bowman wrote:

Indigenous people lived here first before the colonists arrived.

What a revolutionary concept, have you considered notifying the media about this? That aside, what exactly is your point? You just wanted to call Americans dumb rednecks?