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Jan 14, 2008 | Posted by: The Associated Press

China Says Democracy Hurts Kenya

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“Colonialism is the chief culprit, the fuse that sparks ethnic conflict”

The election-related violence that has killed hundreds in Kenya is proof that Western-style democracy is a bad fit for Africa, said China, which has been under fire for its friendly relations with authoritarian leaders on the continent.

Pre-colonial Africa had plenty of consultative decision-making frameworks, but those were ignored when former European rulers 'tyrannically' imposed Western democratic systems upon independence, the People's Daily newspaper said in a commentary Monday.

'Western-style democratic theory simply isn't suited to African conditions, but rather carries with it the root of disaster,' said the paper, the official mouthpiece of China's ruling Communist Party. Read more

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Since: Jan 08

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I say china will hurt Kenya, they only have ulterior motives!
Saj Jivanjee

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Only truth will help Kenya.
Ryan McCabe

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Jan 15, 2008
 
China speaks freely of how democracy has failed in Africa. Words such as this only serve for China to introduce a new form of government called communism. China's past is no cleaner than Kenya and neither does it have a good human rights record. China's goal, to own africa and spread the nightmare called communism
George Ouko

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Jan 15, 2008
 
Ryan McCabe wrote:
China speaks freely of how democracy has failed in Africa. Words such as this only serve for China to introduce a new form of government called communism. China's past is no cleaner than Kenya and neither does it have a good human rights record. China's goal, to own africa and spread the nightmare called communism
China might be better than some of the new found democratic countries which also had flawed election results. US in 2000. What then bothers me is how someone that didn't quite conduct theirs in a fair way can start telling you what to do to have "Fair elections"
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Jan 15, 2008
 
Democracy seems to hurt the leaders in Africa more than the people. Kibaki being the most recent example of an African leader having a serious aversion to the democratic process. Communism does not rid society of corruption. In fact, it can enable it. I doubt very highly Africans will buy into that argument, but I guess it doesn't hurt China to try. Nobody really wants to model their country socially on China.The former Soviet Union collapsed due to communism imploding, and I am not sure if China should speak so soon for itself. We will see how they handle the Olympics.
Saj Jivanjee

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Jan 17, 2008
 
Democracy does not hurt anyone except those who do not believe in justice. Democracy can only sustain itself if we practice peace and justice and equitable share of this beautiful world we are all born in.
Andrez Lopez

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Jan 30, 2008
 
Democracy is not cure for all developing countries. See Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and now Kenya. Whatever we say about China's communism,it has shown to be a viable way of governing a huge mass of people. The Chinese Poliburo and Central Committee is a think tank which guides the people to attain to a better future. On the contrary, if China had a western style democracy, she would still be fighting to consolidate the country and asking for internation help to feed its people.
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Jan 30, 2008
 
China as nothing to say.....
Andrez Lopez

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Jan 30, 2008
 
This is why in China, they spell Democrasy as Demo-craZy. It simply does not work for them.
BRAVE SOLDIER

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Jan 30, 2008
 
Andrez Lopez wrote:
Democracy is not cure for all developing countries. See Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and now Kenya. Whatever we say about China's communism,it has shown to be a viable way of governing a huge mass of people. The Chinese Poliburo and Central Committee is a think tank which guides the people to attain to a better future. On the contrary, if China had a western style democracy, she would still be fighting to consolidate the country and asking for internation help to feed its people.
I totally disagree with you.

U.S. owes China around $350 billion.

More sad that interesting. Living in a debtor nation is not too encoraging.

China =$350 billion
"That’s leaves a little over $4 trillion in public hands. The biggest chunk (about 25 percent of the $8.5 trillion total) is held by foreign governments. Japan tops the list (with $644 billion), followed by China ($350 billion), United Kingdom ($239 billion) and oil exporting countries ($100 billion)."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/

I think China is a great and beautiful country but I don't believe Communism is for Kenya.
Arindam

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Jan 30, 2008
 
"The election-related violence that has killed hundreds in Kenya is proof that Western-style democracy is a bad fit for Africa, said China "

Absolutely correct. WESTERN-STYLE democracy is bad for Africa. But African-style democracy might work better.

You have to develop your own style of democracy.
Stanislaw

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In African style Democracy does the winning party get to eat the losers?
BRAVE SOLDIER

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Feb 2, 2008
 
Andrez Lopez wrote:
Democracy is not cure for all developing countries. See Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and now Kenya. Whatever we say about China's communism,it has shown to be a viable way of governing a huge mass of people. The Chinese Poliburo and Central Committee is a think tank which guides the people to attain to a better future. On the contrary, if China had a western style democracy, she would still be fighting to consolidate the country and asking for internation help to feed its people.
I meant to say I agree......
BRAVE SOLDIER

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Feb 2, 2008
 
Arindam wrote:
"The election-related violence that has killed hundreds in Kenya is proof that Western-style democracy is a bad fit for Africa, said China "
Absolutely correct. WESTERN-STYLE democracy is bad for Africa. But African-style democracy might work better.
You have to develop your own style of democracy.
Great.... It has also reinforced my view that western style democracy is unsuited to large areas of the world, especially developing ones in Africa. These countries would benefit far more from national unity governments which would be all inclusive, since political parties are usually drawn up on tribal lines.

A frequently overlooked but very important problem is that in most of Africa and indeed the world, borders were drawn arbitrarily by colonial empires with no regard to the ethnic mix if the populations.

Since ethnicity often trumps every other kind of identity, voting occurs along ethnic lines and elections turn into a census that merely confirms pre-existing divisions.

Unless far-sighted leaders who can build coalitions across groups and share power and resources exist, we get the familiar outcomes: violent paralysis (Kenya today), dictatorship by one group (the usual outcome), or wholesale slaughter (Rwanda 1994).

In countries where poverty is rampant there is little incentive to share power and democracy rarely survives. There are exceptions of course, such as India, which was blessed with far-sighted leaders but even there we saw first a very bloody Muslim-Hindu partition (called Pakistan) and occasional deadly riots to this day. Perhaps some level of development is needed after all before democracy has a realistic chance to thrive in a multi-ethnic or multi-religious society.

Another option is to redraw borders.
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Feb 2, 2008
 
It is not about the elections!
BRAVE SOLDIER

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Feb 2, 2008
 
Mark wrote:
It is not about the elections!
I think I covered more than elections...

There are three sides to any argument: your side, my side and the right side.

I know everything is always your way or the highway.

I will leave at that.....
Right of Ghengis Khan

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Feb 3, 2008
 
BRAVE SOLDIER wrote:
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Great.... It has also reinforced my view that western style democracy is unsuited to large areas of the world, especially developing ones in Africa. These countries would benefit far more from national unity governments which would be all inclusive, since political parties are usually drawn up on tribal lines.
A frequently overlooked but very important problem is that in most of Africa and indeed the world, borders were drawn arbitrarily by colonial empires with no regard to the ethnic mix if the populations.
Since ethnicity often trumps every other kind of identity, voting occurs along ethnic lines and elections turn into a census that merely confirms pre-existing divisions.
Unless far-sighted leaders who can build coalitions across groups and share power and resources exist, we get the familiar outcomes: violent paralysis (Kenya today), dictatorship by one group (the usual outcome), or wholesale slaughter (Rwanda 1994).
In countries where poverty is rampant there is little incentive to share power and democracy rarely survives. There are exceptions of course, such as India, which was blessed with far-sighted leaders but even there we saw first a very bloody Muslim-Hindu partition (called Pakistan) and occasional deadly riots to this day. Perhaps some level of development is needed after all before democracy has a realistic chance to thrive in a multi-ethnic or multi-religious society.
Another option is to redraw borders.
Your analysis has merit and is perhaps a model that people can build on.

Your last option fills me with dread.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
True! look at how china has developed. its a choice. development or democracy?

Since: Jan 08

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Feb 7, 2008
 
If democracy step a foot hold in China, biggest disaster will happen like Taiwan. The representative in parliment can even fight each other hand on hand. Sure developement will not as fast as current China has. look at Democratic India, wad huge developent they have? Faster than the Chinese? Most of their citizen are still in poverty. Only developed nation where its citizen should have democracy and developing nation should embrace the idea of communism, transform into democracy after involed into developed nation!
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Feb 9, 2008
 
Malaysian Chinese wrote:
Sure developement will not as fast as current China has. look at Democratic India, wad huge developent they have? Faster than the Chinese? Most of their citizen are still in poverty.
India may not be developing faster than China - but it is certainly developing faster than a number of non-democratic countries - like our neighbours in Bangladesh and Pakistan,(not to mention North Korea). So it does not follow that there is a trade-off between democracy and development.(That said, it may indeed be the case that China is better off without democracy. But what is true for China is not necessarily true for everyone else.)
Malaysian Chinese wrote:
Only developed nation where its citizen should have democracy and developing nation should embrace the idea of communism, transform into democracy after involed into developed nation!
I'd argue the opposite. A wealthy country,(like the one I'm in) can do fine without democracy: its wealth ensures that no matter how badly the government messes up, the public will still get along fairly well.(Ex: USA under Bush - despite all the errors of their government, Americans are not starving.)

In contrast, in a developing country, political errors can become a matter of life and death; prosperity or destitution for the bulk of the population- and therefore the public must have a say in the government. For that reason, democracy may actually be more necessary in poor countries than in rich ones.

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