Church of the First Born....Cult and Apostate

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Seeing the light

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Oct 10, 2012
 

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God is love, peace, truth. I don't think it's alright to bash anyones choice of faith wether your Christian, Baptist, Catholic, Pentecost, or even Mormon. People's interpretation is filtered by many reasons and to say they got it wrong isn't okay. How do you know that? Because you were perhaps raised Catholic or maybe Pentecost, doesn't mean this church got it wrong. Maybe there are a 101 faiths and religions and God sees them all. Maybe there is only one elite group who God recognizes. It's happened before. Once upon a time only the Jews were God's chosen, until Jesus made way for the Gentiles and now all man kind was given passage to Heaven through baptism under the trinity. Who knows how God looks at this. But God is watching some of his children being bashed on here by others he loves as well. We all have a common goal do we not? And that is to reign with our Lord when this life has perished. God loves all that call upon him or his son. Instead of tearing down our fellow brother in christ, we should all be praying for the rest of the world who have yet to know or understand Jesus and the father.
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Oct 12, 2012
 
The word of the Lord says 1 faith not faiths. Maybe look into reading Jude about the many crept in. Or Matthew 7 where MANY shall say haven't i prophesied in thy name and did all these works and Christ will say to them I never knew you. There is One Faith. Apostle Paul even exhorted to the churches that some had gone off to doctrines of devils, think that was 2000 years ago.

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Oct 14, 2012
 
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The word of the Lord says 1 faith not faiths. Maybe look into reading Jude about the many crept in. Or Matthew 7 where MANY shall say haven't i prophesied in thy name and did all these works and Christ will say to them I never knew you. There is One Faith. Apostle Paul even exhorted to the churches that some had gone off to doctrines of devils, think that was 2000 years ago.
The "One Faith" doesn't mean the COFB. They may have faith but there are many groups all over the world who love, obey and have faith in the LORD JESUS CRHIST.

Having "enough" faith for healing,(not the generic one size fits all kind) is a good thing, IF you truly understand it. But too often the church puts pressure on it's members to claim faith that they DON'T HAVE, and then some innocent suffers and maybe dies.

I may know more about healing that you imagine. I believe in it! But you'd better have a complete grasp of it and then they would be more healings and fewer deaths. Did you know Satan is the master deceiver and he can do healings as a means of fooling people. It happens. You have need of discernment.
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Oct 16, 2012
 
I never said anything about cofb? Fewer deaths?? Death has no more dominion is what Christ said. Satan said in Job yea all that a man hath will he give for his life. I have never been pressured and im sure nobody is pressured in the cofb. Its more then likely satan telling them something to cause division. My flesh will die learning of Gods goodness thats a fact. But you know paul said to timothy to consider what he says and the lord give him understanding. I have to examine myself and we all have to examine our ownselves. So lets examine hard so we all see eachother in heaven!
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Oct 20, 2012
 
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I was raised in this church. My father, who has since passed, was instrumental in starting a lot of these churches in different cities, states, etc. I do not attend this church & have not since my late teens. I would like to respond to some of the comments I have seen posted here, first & foremost, they are NOT a cult. They are a Christian, extremely devout, group of people (very large membership nationally) that, by definition, are legalists. Meaning, they follow the bible (king James Version) litterally, verbatim. Whatever the bible says, they believe & practice. For example on the medical side, the bible says to "not seek out doctors & men of the flesh for healing, as true healing comes from the Lord. Elders should lay hands upon the sick & afflicted & pray for God's healing touch" that is paraphrased, but that is what they do.
Their name comes from Hebrews 12:23 which staes "to the general assembly & church of the firstborn which are written in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect." I want to stress here that although I do not attend or subscribe to their beliefs, I think it is a very slippery slope to cast stones on anothers beliefs, especially without first hand knowledge. That to me, is worse than any cult. They DO NOT brainwash people, they are a very kind, & meek group, but do not misunderstand me, they are very strict & rigid in their beliefs.
When my father finally realized that some of their teachings were not in line with what he believed were Christs teachings, he wrote a book ("One Lord, One Faith")which really went against all the dogma that he had been taught & preached, they expelled him. My father was a very devout & spiritual man, who lived his life serving God, at no time, ever, did he engage in, practice or condone, any detrimental teachings, beliefs or actions. Thanks for reading.

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Oct 23, 2012
 
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I never said anything about cofb? Fewer deaths?? Death has no more dominion is what Christ said. Satan said in Job yea all that a man hath will he give for his life. I have never been pressured and im sure nobody is pressured in the cofb. Its more then likely satan telling them something to cause division. My flesh will die learning of Gods goodness thats a fact. But you know paul said to timothy to consider what he says and the lord give him understanding. I have to examine myself and we all have to examine our ownselves. So lets examine hard so we all see eachother in heaven!
"I have never been pressured and im sure nobody is pressured in the cofb"

Don't be so sure of that. I've heard a different story from other COFB folks.

A recent example is the lady who was prosecuted and sentenced to prison for allowing her son to die of a medically treatable disease. It was a terrible death. Her "excuse...she was "trying" to prove she had faith. Well, we can see how that worked out....that is called peer pressure.

Thing is, Christians need to study for themselves what God says in his word instead of listening to church doctrine. It has to line up with the word.

It's a safe guess that this lady was biblically illiterate and was reaching beyond her ability.

Never known of a man who God used in the teaching and healing gifts like He did Kenneth Hagin. This went so far beyond just calling for the elders. I've been instantly healed myself just standing on the word of God, more than one time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Oct 23, 2012
 
Scott Wittman wrote:
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I was raised in this church. My father, who has since passed, was instrumental in starting a lot of these churches in different cities, states, etc. I do not attend this church & have not since my late teens. I would like to respond to some of the comments I have seen posted here, first & foremost, they are NOT a cult. They are a Christian, extremely devout, group of people (very large membership nationally) that, by definition, are legalists. Meaning, they follow the bible (king James Version) litterally, verbatim. Whatever the bible says, they believe & practice. For example on the medical side, the bible says to "not seek out doctors & men of the flesh for healing, as true healing comes from the Lord. Elders should lay hands upon the sick & afflicted & pray for God's healing touch" that is paraphrased, but that is what they do.
Their name comes from Hebrews 12:23 which staes "to the general assembly & church of the firstborn which are written in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect." I want to stress here that although I do not attend or subscribe to their beliefs, I think it is a very slippery slope to cast stones on anothers beliefs, especially without first hand knowledge. That to me, is worse than any cult. They DO NOT brainwash people, they are a very kind, & meek group, but do not misunderstand me, they are very strict & rigid in their beliefs.
When my father finally realized that some of their teachings were not in line with what he believed were Christs teachings, he wrote a book ("One Lord, One Faith")which really went against all the dogma that he had been taught & preached, they expelled him. My father was a very devout & spiritual man, who lived his life serving God, at no time, ever, did he engage in, practice or condone, any detrimental teachings, beliefs or actions. Thanks for reading.
You quoted the bible and it does not say what you say it does. It always amazes me how often people are willing to quote the bible and just make up stuff.

This church is legalistic to the exclusion of Grace. Rules have become important and the grace of Jesus has been kicked out or become second place.

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Oct 23, 2012
 
Seeing the light wrote:
God is love, peace, truth. I don't think it's alright to bash anyones choice of faith wether your Christian, Baptist, Catholic, Pentecost, or even Mormon.
After the first sentence, Absurd, just like the religious zealots that strap bombs to themselves and blow up people while believing that God wants them to, you should be willing to condemn a belief that injures and kills children by denying them basic medical care.
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#1698
Oct 24, 2012
 
Just a funny little bit of info for some of you who keep quoting it, nowhere in the bible does it ever say "God helps those who help themselves.", in fact it's not from any biblical origin whatsoever, but actually Ancient Greece. The quote better suits the ancient Greek gods, who were far from actual benevolent dieties, whereas the Christian God is supposed to be unendingly benevolent, as there is a such thing as people who cannot help themselves.

More to the point, though, while I believe in the Freedom to Practice Religeon in our country, I do not believe in said freedom if it causes obvious harm to children. it's equivolent to saying you're religion is all about raping children, and using that as your shield when people come to you to beat your ass for raping children.

The CULT of the Firstborn is just another example of how humans can corrupt inheirently good teachings into something terrible, and then try to escape legal action by bad interpritations of good laws.
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Oct 24, 2012
 
Lets examine ourselves. You dont know me, im sure if we met up we would have a good visit, i used to be paralized waist up and seems like you have good testimonies too. Cofb is not a name its a description. Anybody can have a name above there door doesnt mean anything if the spirit isnt there in the members. For fun look up what pharmacy means. Love and prayers to all of you
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Oct 28, 2012
 
razorback wrote:
one question? How many babies have died at the hand of a doctor? If you do your research you will find that it is almost as many as have died at home. check it out.


Thats because children go to the doctor when they are ill. doh.

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Jan 3, 2013
 
Petrikov wrote:
Just a funny little bit of info for some of you who keep quoting it, nowhere in the bible does it ever say "God helps those who help themselves.", in fact it's not from any biblical origin whatsoever, but actually Ancient Greece. The quote better suits the ancient Greek gods, who were far from actual benevolent dieties, whereas the Christian God is supposed to be unendingly benevolent, as there is a such thing as people who cannot help themselves.
More to the point, though, while I believe in the Freedom to Practice Religeon in our country, I do not believe in said freedom if it causes obvious harm to children. it's equivolent to saying you're religion is all about raping children, and using that as your shield when people come to you to beat your ass for raping children.
The CULT of the Firstborn is just another example of how humans can corrupt inheirently good teachings into something terrible, and then try to escape legal action by bad interpritations of good laws.
Well said my friend. I've heard so many heartrending stories by former members of the COFB about these brainwashed practices, and the results of it....just breaks your heart, but I know they weren't lying or mistaken.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
Where has religious freedom gone? If we want to trust god in our beliefs whys that wrong. America was founded on that very principle. You don't have to agree with it. Just like gun rights. You may not agree but it is our right to practice our religious beliefs. Just as those who want to bear arms. People may not agree. But is still a right. And no one is forced to go to the hospital. It's a choice the individual reads and interprets for him/herself. And as the babies dying. The mad mom googled out of curiosidy. And half of all babies that die in hospitals are firstborn? Try 10 cases a year in the whole United States vs hundreds of thousands. Believe how you want. But no one has the right to condem ones religious beliefs. That is all. Btw I'm 18 and have lived around non church people and church of the firstborn people. They practice what they preach and you will never see more charity and love and willingness to help anyone in need. I've Been to many other churches. And I choose churh of the firstborn because of what I have read and what I believe.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
Dear heavenly father plz comfort tha families that have lost love ones n yr name.. thank you father for yr blessings ....
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Jan 16, 2013
 
sister Jennifer wrote:
Dear heavenly father plz comfort tha families that have lost love ones n yr name.. thank you father for yr blessings ....
"Oh God it hurts"Is that how they were lost?
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Jan 25, 2013
 
Quite frankly the medical thing is being twisted into something that was not obviously God did care about drs because one of the men who write a book of a Bible was one ever heard of Luke? The scripture they refer too was meant for when the so called drs were not really thus is absolutely ridiculous the founder of this church also predicted the end of time this doesn't make the people bad just mislead we need to pray for them rather than ridiculing e are to be a light top the world to lead them to God not to blast fire balls at them anyone that is truly read the Bible and understand their daily walk should have lots of discernment false prophets are here and are multiplying look around people do done reach before you start flinging Holy water at them

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Jan 29, 2013
 
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Quite frankly the medical thing is being twisted into something that was not obviously God did care about drs because one of the men who write a book of a Bible was one ever heard of Luke? The scripture they refer too was meant for when the so called drs were not really thus is absolutely ridiculous the founder of this church also predicted the end of time this doesn't make the people bad just mislead we need to pray for them rather than ridiculing e are to be a light top the world to lead them to God not to blast fire balls at them anyone that is truly read the Bible and understand their daily walk should have lots of discernment false prophets are here and are multiplying look around people do done reach before you start flinging Holy water at them
Luke was not a physician in the normal sense of the word. He was in the same sense Jesus was. The mere mentioning of the occupation in the scripture does not constitute a divine stamp of approval for it.

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Jan 30, 2013
 
Raised in the Church of the first born, and also became a member thirty some years ago. Don't attend church anymore, because of seeing years of suffering, and death around prayers that seem to bounce of the ceiling. Wish the power of God was like what we read about; and not waiting to die before going to the Doctor.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
Faithless wrote:
Raised in the Church of the first born, and also became a member thirty some years ago. Don't attend church anymore, because of seeing years of suffering, and death around prayers that seem to bounce of the ceiling. Wish the power of God was like what we read about; and not waiting to die before going to the Doctor.
So, the bodies keep piling up.

I would like to think this bunch is overdue for a collective Darwin Award except that would be really unfair to COFB children who are the main victims of this bunch of religiously retarded individuals.

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Mar 15, 2013
 
Devon wrote:
Where has religious freedom gone? If we want to trust god in our beliefs whys that wrong. America was founded on that very principle. You don't have to agree with it. Just like gun rights. You may not agree but it is our right to practice our religious beliefs. Just as those who want to bear arms. People may not agree. But is still a right. And no one is forced to go to the hospital. It's a choice the individual reads and interprets for him/herself. And as the babies dying. The mad mom googled out of curiosidy. And half of all babies that die in hospitals are firstborn? Try 10 cases a year in the whole United States vs hundreds of thousands. Believe how you want. But no one has the right to condem ones religious beliefs. That is all. Btw I'm 18 and have lived around non church people and church of the firstborn people. They practice what they preach and you will never see more charity and love and willingness to help anyone in need. I've Been to many other churches. And I choose churh of the firstborn because of what I have read and what I believe.
"Religious freedom" doesn't cover neglect and abuse of babies and children who have no voice in the matter. I don't think it's a "God given right" either.

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