Training helicopter crash-lands

let's be real. The copter was probably at 200 feet, well below the legal height of 500 ft they reported or else they would have probably cashed in their chips.

this was on ukiahvalley.tv days ago
what is wrong with the ukiah daily journal?
seriously and how can it be fixed?
its beyond a joke now it needs help.

"A helicopter used to train cops..."
When I was young the word Cop was a derogatory word. I think the writer should have used a better term, police, peace officers would have worked.

come on wrote:

"A helicopter used to train cops..."
When I was young the word Cop was a derogatory word. I think the writer should have used a better term, police, peace officers would have worked.

It must be politically correct or somebody will cry "I'm offended".

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE T.V. SHOW "COPS"???
The show isn't derogatory towards officers.
If you are offended by this you need to worry about real issues such as racism, sexism, and hatred. If calling a police officer a cop offends you take it up with the cops on the show "COPS" they encourage it and nobody else cares.
Political Correctness has gone to far!

"well below the legal height of 500 ft".......when performing autorotation, the higher the better. Wrap your head around that after you wrap your lips around your pipe, again.

These surveillance flights are such a waste of money. We don't have the money to take care of the needs of our community but plenty to waste flying around looking for gardens. How much money does this cost per flight? I bet they spend enough during camp training week on these flights to pay the years salaries for most if not all the teachers we had to lay off. Where is our priorities? What a joke.

Do they still have keggers up at the damn, like back in the 70's?

HAHAHA!!! YOU TELL IT TOTAL RECALL!!! That sounds WAY too cop like to be made up or should i say PIG-like cause thats what most of these guys (and GALS, cant be sexist) are, total animals, we pay them bookoo to "protect and serve" while the truth is most L.E. in lake (and humboldt and mendo?) is either on meth, on the take, d.u.i guy, or in some cases (penis hoyle?) ALL THREE. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! Can you say bye bye to your retirement fund piggly-wigglys??? Karmas a BEAHHHTCH!!

Sure would be nice to spend those billions that we waste on a civil war on text books and schools and such.

"let's be real. The copter was probably at 200 feet, well below the legal height of 500 ft they reported or else they would have probably cashed in their chips."

A helicopter is allowed to fly below 500 ft AGL. Get your facts in order. You may be thinking of fixed wing aircraft, slightly different. I know the pilot of this helicopter and he is a skilled and safe pilot. He landed a helicopter without an engine safely! However I do agree, why are we still spending money on enforcement of Marijuana? Who cares?

Its 15x more dangerous to fly a helicopter than to drive. These guys are taking huge risks.

The cost of flying our county helicopter a bell I believe is $431 per hour as per the Bell website. Last two weeks of spotter school it flew at least 40 hours.(I live nearby) About 16K in the last two weeks before the cost of staffing or paying for a 1.5 million dollar bird. FYI there were at least 10 helicopters total and 10 fixed wing aircraft.

About 250k in operating cost. How much for hotels meals and the 2k a week per deputy? How much for the king air they fly in to bring one "high ranking" agent @ around $1000 per hour?

We are destroying the careers of businessmen that fly private. We are all tightening our family budgets and business budgets.....

I must agree that the dope cops are wasting big money on their joy riding to buzz pot gardens. That is part of the LE thing though. To make your presence known and to intimidate the local citizens.
Why don't the LE dope cops just use the GIS spy thing? Being an ordinary citizen I can get on Google earth and zoom in close enough to count the hairs on my dogs and read my license plates as if I was standing 25-30 feet away. So if a ordinary bumpkin can do that. I am sure the LE can zoom in way closer sitting at a desk. Therefore there is no need to do all the buzzing about in planes and copters. When I was a LEO. I woul dgo meet the CAMP plane at airport about sun up and we would fly over the hills at tree top level with a DEA agent in the back seat with a big telephoto lense 35mm camera.

I would name persons they photographed due to my being locally assigned to the area and having seen the persons in and about. Some time we would fly after the grow season in the fall after the leaves had fallen to take pictures of waterlines for the next season investigations of any possible grows prior to Prop 215. I took some hairy rides with a chopper pilot who was still flying combat missions in vietnam (in his mind too).

Hauptsturm Fueher wrote:

I must agree that the dope cops are wasting big money on their joy riding to buzz pot gardens. That is part of the LE thing though. To make your presence known and to intimidate the local citizens.
Why don't the LE dope cops just use the GIS spy thing? Being an ordinary citizen I can get on Google earth and zoom in close enough to count the hairs on my dogs and read my license plates as if I was standing 25-30 feet away. So if a ordinary bumpkin can do that. I am sure the LE can zoom in way closer sitting at a desk. Therefore there is no need to do all the buzzing about in planes and copters. When I was a LEO. I woul dgo meet the CAMP plane at airport about sun up and we would fly over the hills at tree top level with a DEA agent in the back seat with a big telephoto lense 35mm camera.
I would name persons they photographed due to my being locally assigned to the area and having seen the persons in and about. Some time we would fly after the grow season in the fall after the leaves had fallen to take pictures of waterlines for the next season investigations of any possible grows prior to Prop 215. I took some hairy rides with a chopper pilot who was still flying combat missions in vietnam (in his mind too).

From Wikipedia,

Hauptsturmführer was a Nazi rank of the SS which was used between the years of 1934 and 1945. The rank of Hauptsturmführer was a mid-grade company level officer and was the equivalent of a Captain (Hauptmann) in the German Army (Wehrmacht Heer) and also the equivalent of captain in foreign armies. Hauptsturmführer was the most commonly held SS officer rank during the Second World War.

The rank of Hauptsturmführer evolved from the much older rank of Sturmhauptführer, created in 1928 as a rank of the Sturmabteilung. The SS used the rank of Sturmhauptführer from 1930 to 1934 at which time, following the Night of the Long Knives, the name of the rank was changed to Hauptsturmführer although the insignia remained the same.

Some of the most infamous SS members are known to have held the rank of Hauptsturmführer. Among them are Josef Mengele, the infamous doctor assigned to Auschwitz; Klaus Barbie, Gestapo Chief of Lyon; Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's assistant; and Amon Göth, who was sentenced to death and hanged for committing mass murder during the liquidations of the ghettos at Tarnow and Krakow, the camp at Szebnie and the Plaszow camp, portrayed in the film Schindler's List.

The insignia of Hauptsturmführer was three silver pips and two silver stripes on a black collar patch, worn opposite a unit insignia patch. On the field grey duty uniform, the shoulder boards of an Army Hauptmann were also displayed. The rank of Hauptsturmführer was senior to the rank of Obersturmführer and junior to Sturmbannführer.

im concerned too. sounds like unfounded accusations of anti-semitism. what if i chose the name manson or dahmer for my tag? poor taste, granted, but if my comments were valid, and i wasnt abusing anyone, wouldnt that be my right of free speech under law? just a thought.

To the poster above RE: The Bell helicopter..... NO ONE can operate a bell 206 for $430/hr. Those cost between $700 & 1400/hr. Lake County was using a Robinson R44 that was contracted for $490/hr. Once their pilot was trained, they would rent just the R44 and fly it themselves for well under $400/hr. saving over $40,000.
More agencies should follow Lake Counties lead on this.
And for the record........the cops could care less about medical marijuana.
Watch this video Lake County Sheriff just published.........
http://lakesheriff.com/weed_warning.asp
Until these criminals are stopped the COPS MUST keep flying.

Out of rotor speed, altitude and engine RPM. Dumb, dumb, dumb rookie mistake by the I.P.(instructor pilot)and ignorance by the trainee.
Auto-rotation practice is best "practiced" at airports where there is plenty of room and emergency personell are on hand.
Sounds like the IP pulled down the throttle and dumped collective way to late to recover at the bottom.
To give minimal flight instruction and release these trainees into mountainous terrain is a testimonial to stupidity!! It is a death warrant for our officers.
Mountain flying is risky business!!
Flying choppers is like balancing on a basketball blindfolded going down a hill.
IP error is the cause. Period!

The county can refuse the camp money, can't they? Maybe there should be a ballot initiative calling on county government refuse the funding and to end the local support for camp.