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TSM

El Paso, TX

#116580 Jul 2, 2012
Okboston the WH is encouraging Democrats to go out and campaign on Obamacare will they? My other question will Liberal/Democrats be suicidal and go out and tell their constituents that there Party just imposed the Largest Tax Increase on the Middle-Class in America’s History?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116581 Jul 2, 2012
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the govt mandate that I drive on toll roads? Is it law that I visit a park? And drive over the speed limit to get there?
Apples & oranges
BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"

Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?

"I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792....

Scroll down to the one passed on May 8th.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116582 Jul 2, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Section 5000A(d).
So you're advocating that the 12 million illegals in the country who are exempt from the ObamaScare individual mandate and will continue to flood emergency rooms for routine medical care just as they always have should be thrown out to bleed out on the curb in front of the hospital.
This is how ObamaScare cuts the cost of medical care in the US?
Got it. No one defends the patently absurd to the death like you do, OKB.
housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.p...

Try again.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#116583 Jul 2, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
<quoted text>
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
<quoted text>
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
Brilliantly stated, Ted, and of course 100% correct.
Teddy R

Vancouver, Canada

#116584 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"
Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?
(rest of tedious and irrelevant cut-n-paste screed snipped).
OKB, if you're really set on displaying your finely-honed legal intellect (heh) on the subject of Constitutional jurisprudence regarding tax-vs-penalty, it's obvious from these sophomoric rhetorical questions of which you are so enamored that you have not read Roberts' decision OR the dissent in the ObamaScare case, and you haven't the beginnings of a clue to what you're blathering.

Quit wasting our time, do your homework, read the opinions, and then come back - if you must.

Otherwise, you're just wasting out space and displaying your abject ignorance.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#116585 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"
Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?
"I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."
http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792....
Scroll down to the one passed on May 8th.
Otto,
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post? I'm looking for another income stream.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116586 Jul 2, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
<quoted text>
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
<quoted text>
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
The question was not cost reducation. It was expanded coverage.

Overall, SOME individuals will pay more, particularly true of those paying nothing now. However, eventually most people will pay less as they will not have to pay for people who pay nothing.

And to be clear on an earlier post Teddy, I will let the poor and aged die on the street before I would tolerate letting the working poor go without healthcare.

I know how you are friend of those that do not produce, but this nation was built by people that work and as a nation we should take care of those that work first.

I do understand though that some lack the capacity to work either through physical or mental impairments, it is charitable to provide for them. But even a person who has worked 45 years and CHOOSES to retire should not be provided healthcare if we are not going to provide workers healthcare.

You can rationalize your choosing to reward those that do not work all you want.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116587 Jul 2, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
<quoted text>
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
<quoted text>
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
I prefer a system like the Germans which is much more capitalistic than the socialist system we employ, but this change is better than it was so I accept it.

Perhaps one day you too will see the wisdom of following Germany's, France's and Japans capitalist models.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116588 Jul 2, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree... the ONLY job of SCOTUS is to protect the American public from bad (i.e. un-Constitutional) or badly applied law. I don't buy the theory that Roberts is being "crafty" by supposedly energizing the conservative base for the upcoming election.
NO, only unConstitutional law. Anything else is legistlating from the bench and is not in keeping with framers of the Constitution.

You and Teddy have been a liberal bend here lately.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116589 Jul 2, 2012
TSM wrote:
Okboston the WH is encouraging Democrats to go out and campaign on Obamacare will they? My other question will Liberal/Democrats be suicidal and go out and tell their constituents that there Party just imposed the Largest Tax Increase on the Middle-Class in America’s History?
I have no idea since I am committed to voting Republican this time around.

I want them to be serious about the deficit and balance the budget in no more than 4 - 5 years. And they need to do it without raising taxes one dime and preferrably with more tax cuts.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116590 Jul 2, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
OKB, if you're really set on displaying your finely-honed legal intellect (heh) on the subject of Constitutional jurisprudence regarding tax-vs-penalty, it's obvious from these sophomoric rhetorical questions of which you are so enamored that you have not read Roberts' decision OR the dissent in the ObamaScare case, and you haven't the beginnings of a clue to what you're blathering.
Quit wasting our time, do your homework, read the opinions, and then come back - if you must.
Otherwise, you're just wasting out space and displaying your abject ignorance.
Actually, I have read Roberts statement. I am still waiting for your review of the healthcare act though so you clarify where and why illegal aliens are exempt.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116591 Jul 2, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Otto,
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post? I'm looking for another income stream.
Just because you are embarrassed that President Washington and the founding fathers passed the first federal mandate is not a reason for you to try and stick a finger in someone's eye.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116592 Jul 2, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Otto,
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post? I'm looking for another income stream.
What did you think about the Farmer who fell afoul of the Commerce Clause by growing wheat for his own use on his own land?

And somehow healthcare insurance is not commerce.
TSM

El Paso, TX

#116593 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea since I am committed to voting Republican this time around.
I want them to be serious about the deficit and balance the budget in no more than 4 - 5 years. And they need to do it without raising taxes one dime and preferrably with more tax cuts.
Your Protest Vote against Obama is your acknowledgment that Obama has been Ultimate Failure…Right?
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#116594 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
What did you think about the Farmer who fell afoul of the Commerce Clause by growing wheat for his own use on his own land?
And somehow healthcare insurance is not commerce.
Otto, you dodge just like any good little "progressive"

Now the question was:
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post?
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#116595 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was not cost reducation. It was expanded coverage.
Overall, SOME individuals will pay more, particularly true of those paying nothing now. However, eventually most people will pay less as they will not have to pay for people who pay nothing.
And to be clear on an earlier post Teddy, I will let the poor and aged die on the street before I would tolerate letting the working poor go without healthcare.
I know how you are friend of those that do not produce, but this nation was built by people that work and as a nation we should take care of those that work first.
I do understand though that some lack the capacity to work either through physical or mental impairments, it is charitable to provide for them. But even a person who has worked 45 years and CHOOSES to retire should not be provided healthcare if we are not going to provide workers healthcare.
You can rationalize your choosing to reward those that do not work all you want.
"Overall, SOME individuals will pay more, particularly true of those paying nothing now. "

How about all the politically favored "waivers"? Is that "fair"?
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#116596 Jul 2, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you are embarrassed that President Washington and the founding fathers passed the first federal mandate is not a reason for you to try and stick a finger in someone's eye.
So in short, I am correct and you are a paid operative. No surprise, but I bet you feel good now that your cards are face-up.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116597 Jul 2, 2012
TSM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Protest Vote against Obama is your acknowledgment that Obama has been Ultimate Failure…Right?
Actually it is a protest vote against Republicans promising garbage and the people that believe them.

With revenue collections running at less than 15% of GDP, and the historical average of spending at 18 - 21% GDP with current spending of about 25% of GDP, just think of how screwed the economy will be with additional tax cuts and their attempts to balance the budget.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116598 Jul 2, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Otto, you dodge just like any good little "progressive"
Now the question was:
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post?
If I got paid to post, it probably would not be media matters that paid me.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#116599 Jul 2, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
"Overall, SOME individuals will pay more, particularly true of those paying nothing now. "
How about all the politically favored "waivers"? Is that "fair"?
If you knew what you were talking about it might be more interesting.

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