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Ywes indeed - while noting that the ObamaScare travesty does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve that situation - it merely shifts the cost burden to Somebody Else.
Which is all Washington is good for.
No, actually it does. The expansion of Medicaid; requiring coverage of individuals with pre-existing conditions; allowing children to stay on parents policies until age 26 all serve to better the system and remedy some glaring wrongs.

And yes, part of that is shifting costs. Requiring someone who refuses to participate in an insurance program to pay a $700 penalty for that choice while allowing them to continue ER coverage certainly holds them accountable and responsible for their choice while reducing some of the cost burden from me.

I have no idea why a self-proclaimed Conservative such as yourself would be anti-work, pro-leach. I said at the start that I could go with covering everyone or no one, but that a system that rewarded the non-productive while punishing the working poor was unacceptable.

You have remained true to your pledge that it was OK with you to punish the working poor.

And if you want to debate the point, please provide your thoughts on how you would cover the working poor.

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You propose to apply that same sophomoric OKB rhetoric to the 12 million illegals who are expempted from the ObamaScare individual mandate, and who will still be trooping into emergency rooms for free medical care?
I have no problem with it at all. Which part of the bill exempts them. If you don't pay the penalty you should be denied care until you can pay in cash.
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Okboston after reading your post I started to Tear up with Laughter!! First I understand that Liberal/Democrat males mature at a slower rate than females so I do understand why Liberals supports this section in Obamacare that allows children up to the age of 26 to stay on their Parent Policies!! Boston those that refuse to buy coverage will be Tax not Fine did you not comprehend the Court Ruling?

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Okboston after reading your post I started to Tear up with Laughter!! First I understand that Liberal/Democrat males mature at a slower rate than females so I do understand why Liberals supports this section in Obamacare that allows children up to the age of 26 to stay on their Parent Policies!! Boston those that refuse to buy coverage will be Tax not Fine did you not comprehend the Court Ruling?
Do you pay a tax or a toll on some roads?

Do you pay a tax or an entry fee at federal parks?

Do you pay a tax or a fine for a speeding ticket?

Any money the government collects other than through the sale of assets is through taxation, is it not? And yet, we have various names for these "taxes" depending on how they are implemented do we not?

As far as women maturing faster than men, do you think that explains the fact that women vote Democrats by an overwhelming majority while the immature men support Republicans?
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Do you pay a tax or a toll on some roads?
Do you pay a tax or an entry fee at federal parks?
Do you pay a tax or a fine for a speeding ticket?
Any money the government collects other than through the sale of assets is through taxation, is it not? And yet, we have various names for these "taxes" depending on how they are implemented do we not?
As far as women maturing faster than men, do you think that explains the fact that women vote Democrats by an overwhelming majority while the immature men support Republicans?
Does the govt mandate that I drive on toll roads? Is it law that I visit a park? And drive over the speed limit to get there?
Apples & oranges
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I have no problem with it at all. Which part of the bill exempts them. If you don't pay the penalty you should be denied care until you can pay in cash.
Section 5000A(d).

So you're advocating that the 12 million illegals in the country who are exempt from the ObamaScare individual mandate and will continue to flood emergency rooms for routine medical care just as they always have should be thrown out to bleed out on the curb in front of the hospital.

This is how ObamaScare cuts the cost of medical care in the US?

Got it. No one defends the patently absurd to the death like you do, OKB.
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No, actually it does. The expansion of Medicaid; requiring coverage of individuals with pre-existing conditions; allowing children to stay on parents policies until age 26 all serve to better the system and remedy some glaring wrongs.
And yes, part of that is shifting costs.
Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.

It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
okboston wrote:
<quoted text> Requiring someone who refuses to participate in an insurance program to pay a $700 penalty for that choice while allowing them to continue ER coverage certainly holds them accountable and responsible for their choice while reducing some of the cost burden from me.
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.

Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.

All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
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<quoted text> I have no idea why a self-proclaimed Conservative such as yourself would be anti-work, pro-leach. I said at the start that I could go with covering everyone or no one, but that a system that rewarded the non-productive while punishing the working poor was unacceptable.
You have remained true to your pledge that it was OK with you to punish the working poor.
And if you want to debate the point, please provide your thoughts on how you would cover the working poor.
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.

The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.

ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
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Jul 2, 2012
 
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I agree with what…John Roberts wrote yesterday,'It's not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.' How True!!
That’s why November’s election is the most important election in American History!! The goal of the Republicans/Conservatives should be to make sure Liberals/Democrats is a (Permanent Minority Party) we began the process in 2010 and shall complete our goal in 2012!!
I disagree... the ONLY job of SCOTUS is to protect the American public from bad (i.e. un-Constitutional) or badly applied law. I don't buy the theory that Roberts is being "crafty" by supposedly energizing the conservative base for the upcoming election.
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Okboston the WH is encouraging Democrats to go out and campaign on Obamacare will they? My other question will Liberal/Democrats be suicidal and go out and tell their constituents that there Party just imposed the Largest Tax Increase on the Middle-Class in America’s History?

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Does the govt mandate that I drive on toll roads? Is it law that I visit a park? And drive over the speed limit to get there?
Apples & oranges
BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"

Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?

"I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792....

Scroll down to the one passed on May 8th.

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Section 5000A(d).
So you're advocating that the 12 million illegals in the country who are exempt from the ObamaScare individual mandate and will continue to flood emergency rooms for routine medical care just as they always have should be thrown out to bleed out on the curb in front of the hospital.
This is how ObamaScare cuts the cost of medical care in the US?
Got it. No one defends the patently absurd to the death like you do, OKB.
housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.p...

Try again.
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Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
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Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
<quoted text>
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
Brilliantly stated, Ted, and of course 100% correct.
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BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"
Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?
(rest of tedious and irrelevant cut-n-paste screed snipped).
OKB, if you're really set on displaying your finely-honed legal intellect (heh) on the subject of Constitutional jurisprudence regarding tax-vs-penalty, it's obvious from these sophomoric rhetorical questions of which you are so enamored that you have not read Roberts' decision OR the dissent in the ObamaScare case, and you haven't the beginnings of a clue to what you're blathering.

Quit wasting our time, do your homework, read the opinions, and then come back - if you must.

Otherwise, you're just wasting out space and displaying your abject ignorance.
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BS. If the subject was "Things the government makes you do" you might have a point. But the subject was "Is that a penalty or a tax?"
Was it a mandate when President Washington signed the Militia Act of 1792?
"I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."
http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792....
Scroll down to the one passed on May 8th.
Otto,
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post? I'm looking for another income stream.

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Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
<quoted text>
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
<quoted text>
I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
The question was not cost reducation. It was expanded coverage.

Overall, SOME individuals will pay more, particularly true of those paying nothing now. However, eventually most people will pay less as they will not have to pay for people who pay nothing.

And to be clear on an earlier post Teddy, I will let the poor and aged die on the street before I would tolerate letting the working poor go without healthcare.

I know how you are friend of those that do not produce, but this nation was built by people that work and as a nation we should take care of those that work first.

I do understand though that some lack the capacity to work either through physical or mental impairments, it is charitable to provide for them. But even a person who has worked 45 years and CHOOSES to retire should not be provided healthcare if we are not going to provide workers healthcare.

You can rationalize your choosing to reward those that do not work all you want.

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Teddy R wrote:
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Bullcrap. There is not a scintilla of healthcare COST reduction produced by any of the 3 measures you've cited. All they do is INCREASE demand for healthcare services on an already-overstrained system, and shift the cost burden of paying for them to Somebody Else.
It's ALL about cost shifting - 100%.
<quoted text>
Anyone who can afford that $700 is already being billed directly for it by that emergency room, and paying it.
Anyone who can't afford that $700 is exempt from the individual mandate anyway.
All ObamaScare does is hand a federal license to insurance companies to profiteer off forced artificial demand from those (the young and healthy) who don't need health insurance and will be ripped off.
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I have no idea why a self-proclaimed anti-corporate idealogue and class warrior like yourself would be so faithfully defending a scheme that accomplishes nothing more than simply funneling more money, predominantly from the lower middle class, into the pockets of rich insurance companies, at the point of a federal gun.
The working poor were already covered, except in the minds of Teddy Kennedy limousine liberals - nobody is dying in the streets, and the working poor will still be the working poor, but but now more serfs on the federal plantation.
ObamaScare is nothing more nor less than a power grab by the Washington political classes over yet another facet of Americans' lives, to no useful end other than to inflate their power, wealth, and control.
I prefer a system like the Germans which is much more capitalistic than the socialist system we employ, but this change is better than it was so I accept it.

Perhaps one day you too will see the wisdom of following Germany's, France's and Japans capitalist models.

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I disagree... the ONLY job of SCOTUS is to protect the American public from bad (i.e. un-Constitutional) or badly applied law. I don't buy the theory that Roberts is being "crafty" by supposedly energizing the conservative base for the upcoming election.
NO, only unConstitutional law. Anything else is legistlating from the bench and is not in keeping with framers of the Constitution.

You and Teddy have been a liberal bend here lately.

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Okboston the WH is encouraging Democrats to go out and campaign on Obamacare will they? My other question will Liberal/Democrats be suicidal and go out and tell their constituents that there Party just imposed the Largest Tax Increase on the Middle-Class in America’s History?
I have no idea since I am committed to voting Republican this time around.

I want them to be serious about the deficit and balance the budget in no more than 4 - 5 years. And they need to do it without raising taxes one dime and preferrably with more tax cuts.

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OKB, if you're really set on displaying your finely-honed legal intellect (heh) on the subject of Constitutional jurisprudence regarding tax-vs-penalty, it's obvious from these sophomoric rhetorical questions of which you are so enamored that you have not read Roberts' decision OR the dissent in the ObamaScare case, and you haven't the beginnings of a clue to what you're blathering.
Quit wasting our time, do your homework, read the opinions, and then come back - if you must.
Otherwise, you're just wasting out space and displaying your abject ignorance.
Actually, I have read Roberts statement. I am still waiting for your review of the healthcare act though so you clarify where and why illegal aliens are exempt.

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Otto,
How much does MediaMatters pay you per post? I'm looking for another income stream.
Just because you are embarrassed that President Washington and the founding fathers passed the first federal mandate is not a reason for you to try and stick a finger in someone's eye.

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