Suburban school districts, police working out protest logistics

I hope they're installing metal detectors and hiring armed guards for Tuesday morning....

from winnetka wrote:

I'm actually a little dismayed that all these "city" people look down on suburbanites as being racist/sheltered/privileged/wh atever. Look at yourselves! How dare you deem yourselves superior because you live in the city. Have you ever seen Lincoln Park?! Before you start to condemn those who have elected to live in an area where crime is low and education is high, look around other areas of the city.
The main concern shouldn't be who lives where, but rather how the education system is failing the children. Raise taxes even more than they have been recently and give your children the attention they need. Show them how to work hard and value an education. Give them a role model to look up to. If the books are in such disrepair at your kid's school, buy a used copy off Amazon for them!
Invade my suburbs if you must, but all it does is show that you care more about publicity and the shock value than you do about your kids starting the school year correctly - by actually GOING to class. Talk about rewarding a negative behavior.

yeah I've seen Lincoln Park, which is chock full of suburban transplants and well heeled out of staters. If you interviewed any of the lincoln park yuppies, you'd be hard pressed to find anybody that grew up in the city.

You're only reaffirming your suburban ignorance. Lincoln Park is the only neighborhood you've probably seen outside of downtown and wrigley field. I'm sure it's where your suburban friends live. Winnetka = zero poverty or diversity.

"Winnetka is a village located approximately 19 mi (30 km) north of downtown Chicago in Cook County, Illinois. It has a population of 12,419. New Trier High School, a nationally renowned public school, is located in Winnetka. Winnetka is one of the most affluent communities in the United States."

It is also 96% white folks with less than a 1% poverty rate.

Winnetka was ranked by CNN Money as having the 4th highest average household income in the country.[7]

You make $180k a year? You're so poor an oppressed. It's funny when rich people deny being rich cause someone out there is wealthier. You make more money thant 95% of the households in the united states.

your entire post reaffirms boldly your shleltered upbringing and distorted sense of reality. Like I said, you live in a bubble of affluence, so compared to other Winnetka residents, yeah you might be slightly less well off.

as far as diversity, there is NONE. or you just don't know the definition of the word

you're a joke, seriously.

Pete wrote:

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You hate and sterotype suburbanites - great start.
We're sheltered (if only I had more shootings on my block growing up I'd obviously be better off).
We're racists, yet you make reference to our "little lily white bubble of affluency," and "Which basically means, rich, white, and suburban." In suburban high school they didn't teach me that racism only worked one way - must've been out on the yacht that day.
Where do we get our real life cultural education and exposure to different backgrounds - in college, perhaps you should have given that a try.
P.S - there's only one "i" in idiots.

I hate sterotypical suburbs and suburbanites. I spent 8 years growing up in Cicero, which granted is a lot more city than suburb and isn't really distinguishable from Little village or K-town. But there are plenty of suburbs that don't fit the mold and have a lot more in common with the city than suburbs.

And you're right, it is a little hypocritical to hate narrow minded people by starting off with a genralization. bit I'm not ignorant.

I lived in Back of the Yards until I was 8, moved to Cicero for Junior High and went to Morton East my first two years of high school. Then moved to Humboldt Park and attended Schurz High school. And yes with my bs morton east and CPS education I got a full academic scholarship to the University of Wisconsin. So no, i'm actually probably a lot more educated, book and street wise, than yourself. sucka

It doesn't matter how much money is spent per pupil as much as it does how involved the parents are in the education process.

Everyone thinks throwing money at the problem will make it go away but until parents start caring about their childrens' education it doesn't matter what the spending per pupil is.

Quit always having your hand out and try lifting yourself up instead of pulling everyone else down.

HUH wrote:

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Like the color?

You think I meant the color maroon? You're the maroon. But, the Trib internet police won't let me call King Daley a more-ron

Success in these areas isn't because they spend more per student, it's because they happen to be in areas where divorce rates are lower, families finances are in order, and there are better role models.

1. Naperville and Wheaton consistently outperform other towns in Dupage, yet don't need to spend as much per student

2. Private Catholic schools spend less per student than public schools, yet Catholic scores tend to be better

Suburban Ignorance wrote:

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I hate sterotypical suburbs and suburbanites.

And you're right, it is a little hypocritical to hate narrow minded people by starting off with a genralization. bit I'm not ignorant.

I lived in Back of the Yards until I was 8, moved to Cicero for Junior High and went to Morton East my first two years of high school. Then moved to Humboldt Park and attended Schurz High school. And yes with my bs morton east and CPS education I got a full academic scholarship to the University of Wisconsin. So no, i'm actually probably a lot more educated, book and street wise, than yourself. sucka

Look - not trying to start a battle here. But can I ask why so many people hate the fact that there are areas of low crime and a good education ? Is it just jealousy ? Is it because we grew up with a greater emphasis on our education ?

Why should Winnetka be embarassed about having a 1% poverty rate and the 4th highest average household income in the country ? Isn't that what people should strive for, instead of a high crime and unemployment rate ?

It's 96% white "folks," who cares (other than you).

No one here is saying that the kids in the CPS don't deserve better, they do. Just not sure that it is anyone in the suburbs fault for the situation their in.

And congrats on the scholarship and degree. I do have to ask this one final question : After getting your degree (remember how much smarter you are than I - maybe you are, maybe not), do you now live in the suburbs or in the city ?

Winnetka could lower their spending to 5,000 per student and their scores would still destroy those of the city.

cccp wrote:

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Note that that area is solidly republican sending Mark Kirk (R) to the house after years of other Republicans going. As for the Liberals up here they are happy to vote their "white guilt" but it is overwhelmingly conservative here.

The area has had an influx of new people over the years with their Liberal Democratic politics. Although it still tilts Republican it is not the strong GOP stronghold that it once was. Mark Kirk is locked in a tight race with Dan Seals, who does not even live in the district, for the 10th Congressional District. But many of the Democrats and Republicans of the district can be independent at times and will split their tickets voting for who they think is the best candidate and not the party. The two political parties cannot take the voters of this area for granted like they can do in other districts.

Pete wrote:

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Look - not trying to start a battle here. But can I ask why so many people hate the fact that there are areas of low crime and a good education ? Is it just jealousy ? Is it because we grew up with a greater emphasis on our education ?
Why should Winnetka be embarassed about having a 1% poverty rate and the 4th highest average household income in the country ? Isn't that what people should strive for, instead of a high crime and unemployment rate ?
It's 96% white "folks," who cares (other than you).
No one here is saying that the kids in the CPS don't deserve better, they do. Just not sure that it is anyone in the suburbs fault for the situation their in.
And congrats on the scholarship and degree. I do have to ask this one final question : After getting your degree (remember how much smarter you are than I - maybe you are, maybe not), do you now live in the suburbs or in the city ?

I live in the city, and so does my son, in Hermosa by Altgeld and Keeler. I'll never move to suburbia, basically cause I've lived my entire 29 years in the city and cicero. my family and friends are all on the NW and SW sides of the city, so it's home. I have worked in the suburbs and been exposed to those type of communities in that sense. And I find the monotony and lack of any real diversity and culture an issue. Plus the suburbs real lack any sort of inspiration, and while i was working in the suburbs, i was incredibly disheartened driving out to these far flung communities. I grew up mixed, with an Italian Mom and Rican pops, and am married to a PR/Cuban woman. So i want my son to be able to feel comfortable around people of all different backgrounds. Winnetka, Schaumburg, Vernon Hills don't really offer that whatsoever.

One last thing. We live in Wheeling (feel free to check out the percentages of white/hispanic/asian/black), and my son attends a preschool that has about 10 kids - depending on the day of the week it's a few more or less. It's pretty evenly split amongst Indian, Hispanic, Asian, and White kids (there's your diversity in the burbs - sorry for not having any black children there). You'd be shocked to know that they all play together and don't care about what color/race/ethnicity they are.

Joe107 wrote:

Winnetka could lower their spending to 5,000 per student and their scores would still destroy those of the city.

I hear that northern burbs are going to rent 125 buses and send them into the city for the opening day of high school basketball. It's a shame that those poor kids from New Trier get stomped by Simeon and Rice at all the tournaments each year. I think the CPS should send some money to the burbs to teach them how to improve their basketball programs.

I grew up in a poor neighborhood in a 3 room apartment amidst plenty of welfare royalty, and attended a Chicago Public School with awful facilities, and learned from books with torn pages. That's not exactly a formula for succcess, but it's not a formula for failure either. I had 2 Hispanic immigrant parents (legal residents) who cared enough to make me study when I didn't want to, who held teachers accountable when something didn't feel right (racism), who provided me with a moral compass and more. They did not make expensive gym shoes their priority, nor an expensive car (we never had a car). My mom didn't have big hair nor big nails (thought they were tacky, plus couldn't afford them). We wore hand-me-downs, and when my 3 sisters and I became young teenagers we worked if we wanted special clothes. When young kids in our neighborhood were getting pregnant, dealing drugs, or stealing cars, we were busy going to school, reading books & newspapers, going to church, working part-time jobs, and then going on to college. In the meantime, their parents were complaining that the school system didn't do enough to keep their kids from becoming pregnant, doing drugs or becoming car thieves. My parents were always shocked at the audacity of these people. Didn't these people have a sense of personal responsibility? Things haven't changed much have they? My father earned minimum wage and even less sometimes, and he collected aluminum cans to make ends meet. Despite our poverty we grew up volunteering in our church and in our community. My sisters and I became successful despite our surroundings and our schools because we pulled ourselves up by out bootstraps, and didn't rely on our government to throw money at a problem.

James Meeks likes to make a lot of noise--but not the right noise. Tell those parents to start taking some personal responsibility.

Suburban Ignorance wrote:

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I have worked in the suburbs and been exposed to those type of communities in that sense. And I find the monotony and lack of any real diversity and culture an issue. Plus the suburbs real lack any sort of inspiration, and while i was working in the suburbs, i was incredibly disheartened driving out to these far flung communities.

Why should your likes/dislikes be forced on another area that your don't even live in ? I thought people have the right to make their own choices, but apparently you should be deciding, right ?

What inspiration are you referring to ? Growing up I had plenty of inspiration driving around neighboring towns and seeing the gorgeous houses, clean streets, and parks in the burbs - I knew that was what I wanted and worked damn hard to get it.

What's the inspiration in the city (excluding downtown and LP)- crime, run-down buildings, gang-bangers hanging out on the corner, people stealing laptops (and spare tires) from the Ugandan childrens choir, shootings, etc. Personally I enjoy driving up north where there's open land (though not much exists anymore with all the city folk moving out here HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!), as opposed to a place where the buildings leave no room in between.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Ana wrote:

I grew up in a poor neighborhood in a 3 room apartment amidst plenty of welfare royalty, and attended a Chicago Public School with awful facilities, and learned from books with torn pages. That's not exactly a formula for succcess, but it's not a formula for failure either. I had 2 Hispanic immigrant parents (legal residents) who cared enough to make me study when I didn't want to, who held teachers accountable when something didn't feel right (racism), who provided me with a moral compass and more. They did not make expensive gym shoes their priority, nor an expensive car (we never had a car). My mom didn't have big hair nor big nails (thought they were tacky, plus couldn't afford them). We wore hand-me-downs, and when my 3 sisters and I became young teenagers we worked if we wanted special clothes. When young kids in our neighborhood were getting pregnant, dealing drugs, or stealing cars, we were busy going to school, reading books & newspapers, going to church, working part-time jobs, and then going on to college. In the meantime, their parents were complaining that the school system didn't do enough to keep their kids from becoming pregnant, doing drugs or becoming car thieves. My parents were always shocked at the audacity of these people. Didn't these people have a sense of personal responsibility? Things haven't changed much have they? My father earned minimum wage and even less sometimes, and he collected aluminum cans to make ends meet. Despite our poverty we grew up volunteering in our church and in our community. My sisters and I became successful despite our surroundings and our schools because we pulled ourselves up by out bootstraps, and didn't rely on our government to throw money at a problem.
James Meeks likes to make a lot of noise--but not the right noise. Tell those parents to start taking some personal responsibility.

Well done, wish there were more parents likes yours, would make Chicago a much better place.

funnymom wrote:

Why don't they take these kids to Lane Tech, Payton Academy, Whintey Young?

Good question!

New Trier isn't afraid. They have out of district students. They pay the fees and the kids are place according to
ability. Parents buy the books, lunches and appropriate clothing, even if they get subsidy. It is up to the student to keep up with the classroom, not the duty of the teacher to make sure the student can make the student do the homework (plenty of it) and pass the tests. Sometimes students don't make the grade and are sent elsewhere and still charged. There are a few private schools around and they don't have bus service that goes to all neighborhoods either.

Suburban Ignorance wrote:

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I live in the city, and so does my son, in Hermosa by Altgeld and Keeler. I'll never move to suburbia, basically cause I've lived my entire 29 years in the city and cicero. my family and friends are all on the NW and SW sides of the city, so it's home. I have worked in the suburbs and been exposed to those type of communities in that sense. And I find the monotony and lack of any real diversity and culture an issue. Plus the suburbs real lack any sort of inspiration, and while i was working in the suburbs, i was incredibly disheartened driving out to these far flung communities. I grew up mixed, with an Italian Mom and Rican pops, and am married to a PR/Cuban woman. So i want my son to be able to feel comfortable around people of all different backgrounds. Winnetka, Schaumburg, Vernon Hills don't really offer that whatsoever.

Hey smart guy last time i CHECKED cIcero was a suburb. so all your posts are null and void. you post from small time cincinatti too. you may be a troll or poser. Cicero has been a suburb for a hundred years Actualy a city first. you not know what you wriyte about do you mr. suburbanite.