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O.K everyone, all this stuff regarding the Mitchell report got me think how MLB, the owners, GM's, the managers and coaches and lastly the commisioner are all a bunch of liars and phonies. There is no doubt in my mind that they all new about the steriod problem, but did nothing to stop it, and the reason was $$$$$$. Prior to the 1998 season, baseball was not in very good shape; remember the strike of 1994. But along came 1998 with Big Mark and Slamming Sammy and all those homeruns and suddenly baseball was picking up in popularity and revenues was increasing for most of the teams. MLB with the owners and the commish all seat back and smiled caused the money was coming in; knowing full well that steriods were the reason for this joyous event. Baseball was saved by steriods in 1998 and it continued with the pursuit of Bonds homerun chase. I'm not supporting the use of steriods, however; I can only laugh now at Selig to hear him say "I will clean up MLB". If that is true, why didn't he do something when Mark and Sammy were hitting homeruns left and right. The reason he didn't is simple,$$$$$$$$. I'm sure my opinion will be questioned and disagreed or perhaps agreed. It doesn't matter, cause if I suspected steriod use in MLB back then, they surely did.

Brunswick county NC wrote:

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MMH: I got back from NYC Friday. Went to see Spamalot. Great show.

In Honor of you Brunsy

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Brunswick county NC wrote:

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I ran into Alzado on the street in NYC during the late '80's. A really nice guy. He posed for a picture with me & my wife. It was a shame he went the way he did.

He was a sad case.He was a Brooklynite like I was. People often forget that kids die from steroids and don't make the papers because they aren't rich or famous, those are the real victums and that is why the penalty for steroid use has to be major so kids get the message that if you use steroids to get to the head of the class and you are caught then you're gone forever.

UUUhhhh oooh. Wait until the truth comes out about the 86 Met team.Radomski started in 85.Carter looked bigger, Dykstra was snagged.Straw was cokin it. Ketith Hernandez, the same. We all know about the "DOC".Sid Fernandez was injecting donuts.Ray Knight was in a "Rage" all the time.Kevin Mitchell?
If that WS is taken away from the mets , that means they will have won no WS since 1970!!!! 37 years. One in 37 years was sad. But none in 37 years? WOW. How Metlike.By the way. Even back then they played better away from the Flushing Toilet. I think they have always hated their fans.

captain crunch wrote:

O.K everyone, all this stuff regarding the Mitchell report got me think how MLB, the owners, GM's, the managers and coaches and lastly the commisioner are all a bunch of liars and phonies. There is no doubt in my mind that they all new about the steriod problem, but did nothing to stop it, and the reason was $$$$$$. Prior to the 1998 season, baseball was not in very good shape; remember the strike of 1994. But along came 1998 with Big Mark and Slamming Sammy and all those homeruns and suddenly baseball was picking up in popularity and revenues was increasing for most of the teams. MLB with the owners and the commish all seat back and smiled caused the money was coming in; knowing full well that steriods were the reason for this joyous event. Baseball was saved by steriods in 1998 and it continued with the pursuit of Bonds homerun chase. I'm not supporting the use of steriods, however; I can only laugh now at Selig to hear him say "I will clean up MLB". If that is true, why didn't he do something when Mark and Sammy were hitting homeruns left and right. The reason he didn't is simple,$$$$$$$$. I'm sure my opinion will be questioned and disagreed or perhaps agreed. It doesn't matter, cause if I suspected steriod use in MLB back then, they surely did.

"Right on Cappy" To add to your comments, all that talk by Selig was smoke talk. There is no way baseball can correct the damage. Can't change records, or penalize those out of the game. All they can do is continue with the present drug testing plan, and you can bet your last dollar Bonds will win out. To help cover their butts, they could liven the ball to chalk up home run balls. Doubt they will shorten the fences, although new parks are smaller then those of the past. I can recall 165 lbs. guys were suddenly hitting 35-40 hrs. Where were all the play by play announcers with baseball background while a barrage of home runs were taking place. Guess they were told to cool the talk if they wanted a job.

Jerry wrote:

Reality, while I agree that 6 minor leaguers are too many, the D-Backs are stacked with topprospects. Their major roster was filled with minor leaguers that made it to the bigs (Young, Webb, Drew, Valverde, Tracy, Snyder, etc). In fact, Arizona had three or four "untouchable" prospects & they were still able to package enough for the trade for Haren.
Regarding Valverde, he was traded to replenish some of the Arizona farm teams. As an AZ native, I saw almost every D-Back game last season. Valverde led the league in 1,2,3 innings & he was lights out in most games. Opponents hit under .200 against him. Plus, he had several two-inning saves among his total of 47. Wagner cannot pitch more than 1 inning & Valverde would have been a nice scurity blanket. Contrary to popular belief, he isn't a hothead. I don't like his gyrations after each save, but Reyes is much more demonstative.
My point was that Omar could have definitely put together a pckage comparable to the Astro's offer.
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Arizona got where they were because they played their kids. But they still needed hitting more than pitching. Worst offense ever to win a division weren't they? I would never want Omar to package together 6, 5, or even 4 kids with lots of promise for a pitcher or every day player. As I said before, if the young players in the Mets minors really aren't as good as the Mets think they are, then maybe they need to revamp their scouting department. But as we all know, they have a history of trading young talent for washed up garbage and I don't want to see Omar take that chance again. Another reason is the Mets are nowhere near playoff caliber right now, whether they got a Santana or Haren or not. I can't stand 1/2 the starting lineup that Omar and Willie plan to trot out there every day.

Regarding Valverde, I saw him enough to think the popular belief of him being a hothead is right on. Beliefs are there for a reason, and there's a reason he was only traded for marginal prospects. And his act of believing he won the 7th game of the WS with every save got tiresome very quickly. Sorry, but I'm happy as hell the Mets did not get him. Yes, Reyes needs to cool it. As the saying goes, "Act like you've been there before."

captain crunch wrote:

O.K everyone, all this stuff regarding the Mitchell report got me think how MLB, the owners, GM's, the managers and coaches and lastly the commisioner are all a bunch of liars and phonies. There is no doubt in my mind that they all new about the steriod problem, but did nothing to stop it, and the reason was $$$$$$. Prior to the 1998 season, baseball was not in very good shape; remember the strike of 1994. But along came 1998 with Big Mark and Slamming Sammy and all those homeruns and suddenly baseball was picking up in popularity and revenues was increasing for most of the teams. MLB with the owners and the commish all seat back and smiled caused the money was coming in; knowing full well that steriods were the reason for this joyous event. Baseball was saved by steriods in 1998 and it continued with the pursuit of Bonds homerun chase. I'm not supporting the use of steriods, however; I can only laugh now at Selig to hear him say "I will clean up MLB". If that is true, why didn't he do something when Mark and Sammy were hitting homeruns left and right. The reason he didn't is simple,$$$$$$$$. I'm sure my opinion will be questioned and disagreed or perhaps agreed. It doesn't matter, cause if I suspected steriod use in MLB back then, they surely did.

Ironic thing is that people thought the balls were juiced, or the bats were "juiced". Turns out it was the players who were juiced.

By the way, Hundley and Dykstra shouldn't surprise anybody. Petitte surprised me. I believe his comments about it though. Can you imagine if it was proven A-Rod was on it? I can see the one word headline now: A-Roid?

Reality Check wrote:

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Ironic thing is that people thought the balls were juiced, or the bats were "juiced". Turns out it was the players who were juiced.
By the way, Hundley and Dykstra shouldn't surprise anybody. Petitte surprised me. I believe his comments about it though. Can you imagine if it was proven A-Rod was on it? I can see the one word headline now: A-Roid?

How true, How true! when I saw hundley and dykstra back then, I knew right away. As for Petitte, while he admitted taking HGH, claiming that he only took it twice to heal an injury was BS. In order for anything to work, you need to take a certain amount for it to absorb into the system and take effect. Petitte was on HGH for at least two months, if he was trying to recover from an injury. My knowledge of steriods is from lots of family and friends have taken them and they educated me on the usage. Anyway, one day we're going to find that hundreds and hundreds of MLB players were taking it, and you're right, the players were juiced, not the ball or the bat.

Clearwater Pete wrote:

<quoted text>"Right on Cappy" To add to your comments, all that talk by Selig was smoke talk. There is no way baseball can correct the damage. Can't change records, or penalize those out of the game. All they can do is continue with the present drug testing plan, and you can bet your last dollar Bonds will win out. To help cover their butts, they could liven the ball to chalk up home run balls. Doubt they will shorten the fences, although new parks are smaller then those of the past. I can recall 165 lbs. guys were suddenly hitting 35-40 hrs. Where were all the play by play announcers with baseball background while a barrage of home runs were taking place. Guess they were told to cool the talk if they wanted a job.

well said, on all your points. MLB can not and will not remove any records from any player. The BBWA may slap the hands of suspecting steriod users when they become a 1st ballot into the HOF, like they did to McGwire. But eventually, he and everyone else with HOF stats will get in. The commish and the rest of MLB upper management are a bunch of liars, and now they are trying to play hero and killing something that they allowed and for the most part, created.

Funny thing didn't see Kevin Mitchells name on the report and Dykstra was a squirt in 86 and starting doing them on the Phillies when his body and his numbers shot up... just like Clemens numbers shot up when he started doing them in Toronto in 98...and Andys admission confirmed McNamees statements.

PAUL wrote:

<quoted text>Get off of it moron and wake up all teams are guilty of a player or two on their team with either a roid or hgh problems.Muts 86 champ.team alone had 2 roid users,Kevin Mitchell and Lenny Dykstra.We don't bother tainting their titles because they only won 2 in their shabby 45 year history!!

Met Mad Hatter wrote:

<quoted text>Dear Kitty Kat. You're going way over this persons head.

You're probably right about this..im reaching to the unreachable arent I? lol

tom wrote:

Keith Hernandez and Darryl Strawberry were on Coke and Dykstra was on roids. I guess we have to put an asterisk by the 86 mets title. Grow up M UT fans. You will always be losers.

Duh....What a ridiculous post dude...have you been on pluto for 4 days? Did you not read the report?

tom wrote:

No matter what happens in the Mitchell report, The NY MESS still have the record for the greatest choke ever.
One good thing about the NY MATS never winning.... nobody could say they cheated to get into last place.
Imagine if they cheated and won the record for the greatest choke ever? lmao

Yeah...another ridiculous post from a stankee fan! So the truth has finally been confirmed that the Stankees have NO dynasty and their squads over the last 10 years will be forever now looked at as cheaters and liars!!!! LYAO at that!

PAULY wrote:

Hey Met fans,I'll tell you all what I think,I think all 30 teams around MLB [whether its 1,2,or more]are guilty of either roids or hgh,and I think that list is way bigger than Mitchells'list, when its all said and done.MLB knew this problem was going on for years and did nothing about it and did nothing about enforcing penalties,for examples; 1st time;50 game susp.w/o pay, 2nd time;100 game susp.w/o pay, and 3rd time banned for life.If those penalties or something near it had been enforced,this roids,and HGH problem wouldn't of gotten totally out of hand.So the Yanks aren't the only guilty team,look around all 29 other teams are just as guilty I;m done saying what I have to say...End of subject,End of story...

Hmm...a logical post! I dont think that anyone ever said that the Yanks were the only guilty parties...thats obviously not the case! Yankee fans were in here spewing the BS that there would be more METS than Yanks so thus the outrage! Good to see one of you recognize this a MLB issue not a METS vs. Yankees issue!

Jerry wrote:

The Haren trade combined with the steroid scandal will hurt the Mets. The Yankees will push harder for Santana because Pettite's situation might cause him to retire. Plus, Billy Beane set the market by accepting 6 prospects for Haren. Omar's lazy attitude combined with his lack of attractive prospects will hinder the Mets' effort to obtain a top-line starter.
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The steroid scandal will not hurt the METS any more than it hurts ANY team in the MLB! It sucks for everyone!

PAUL wrote:

<quoted text>You get what you pay for;Yankees are a far better team than the Muts always have been and always will be its plain and simple!!!!

Bullshit....you and your post and your Stankees!

tom wrote:

UUUhhhh oooh. Wait until the truth comes out about the 86 Met team.Radomski started in 85.Carter looked bigger, Dykstra was snagged.Straw was cokin it. Ketith Hernandez, the same. We all know about the "DOC".Sid Fernandez was injecting donuts.Ray Knight was in a "Rage" all the time.Kevin Mitchell?
If that WS is taken away from the mets , that means they will have won no WS since 1970!!!! 37 years. One in 37 years was sad. But none in 37 years? WOW. How Metlike.By the way. Even back then they played better away from the Flushing Toilet. I think they have always hated their fans.

You mean like the two titles the Yankees won between 1962 and 1996; that's 34 years. As of 1996, the Yankees had won 3 titles and the Mets 2. Yankees had a great run, but now its 8 years and counting. Don't worry, lots of teams win with three rookie starters and 38 year old closers.

I understand there is talk of "set-up man deluxe" Heilman being given a chane to show what he can do as a starter, I thought he had his chance and had no more success than he did as an 8th inning relief man? Seems like Omar is clutching at straws. Who 's next, Colon or Liven? Also Castillo gets a 25 mil 4 yr. deal and Hudson can be had from the D'Backs. It can be hard to be positive at times. Anyway MERRY CHRISTMAS to y'all!!

MetsPussyCat wrote:

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Hmm...a logical post! I dont think that anyone ever said that the Yanks were the only guilty parties...thats obviously not the case! Yankee fans were in here spewing the BS that there would be more METS than Yanks so thus the outrage! Good to see one of you recognize this a MLB issue not a METS vs. Yankees issue!

Kitty Kat there's a 3 ring circus performing on this site. This is one of the performing donkeys occupying one of the rings I bet you can guess the other 2. Unless you're a special ed teacher don't waste your valuable time.

Reality Check wrote:

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Arizona got where they were because they played their kids. But they still needed hitting more than pitching. Worst offense ever to win a division weren't they? I would never want Omar to package together 6, 5, or even 4 kids with lots of promise for a pitcher or every day player. As I said before, if the young players in the Mets minors really aren't as good as the Mets think they are, then maybe they need to revamp their scouting department. But as we all know, they have a history of trading young talent for washed up garbage and I don't want to see Omar take that chance again. Another reason is the Mets are nowhere near playoff caliber right now, whether they got a Santana or Haren or not. I can't stand 1/2 the starting lineup that Omar and Willie plan to trot out there every day.
Regarding Valverde, I saw him enough to think the popular belief of him being a hothead is right on. Beliefs are there for a reason, and there's a reason he was only traded for marginal prospects. And his act of believing he won the 7th game of the WS with every save got tiresome very quickly. Sorry, but I'm happy as hell the Mets did not get him. Yes, Reyes needs to cool it. As the saying goes, "Act like you've been there before."

Amen RC. I think it is a possibility that with Bannister, Lindstrom, Bell(performing for a good pitching coach that believes he has enough for one inning and not Peterson who would try to re-invent the wheel),Owens all performing well on their respective teams quite possibly Omar wants to trust his farm and why not the rest of the majors does.