Defense witness blames 'haywire heartbeat' in Summit jail death

Where are all those Police Haters at now? Hmmm, and then you realize that there are two sides to every story. The man signed his own death papers when he acted irrationally after having such a bad heart.

This case is goofy. Nobody from either side has given a good time line for the incidents that took place. I understand that Mark was in his cell and they sprayed him through the door way then went into it to control him and transfer him to a clean cell. If he died within minutes of the pepper spray then there wouldnt have been alot of time or need to beat him into submission. He would, as the prosecution would present, have been dead or near death. And I dont know when he recieved his medication via the nurses that injected him. I wanna see the time line of events from him being brought in to his incarceration in the cell, from his extration from the cell and to the hospital. I also want to know where all this talk of asphyxiation was when this all started. Seems to me that the prosecution is hanging alot of weight on the ME's office and its gone from dieing from trama to the body from physical restraints and electical devices to asphyxiation from chemical burns to the wind pipe that may or may not have been fatal. What did Mark die from seems to be what is going to tell the story.

Tiffany wrote:

Where are all those Police Haters at now? Hmmm, and then you realize that there are two sides to every story. The man signed his own death papers when he acted irrationally after having such a bad heart.

You are so right. And this is only the 1st defense witness. I wonder what else they have in store...

Tiffany wrote:

Where are all those Police Haters at now? Hmmm, and then you realize that there are two sides to every story. The man signed his own death papers when he acted irrationally after having such a bad heart.

I am going to make a prediction. If this trial turns into a battle-of-the-experts, I think the prosecution will have the edge. The experts will cancel each other out, and the jury will use its common sense. Commons sense will tell them that the beating, head stomping, and pepper spray that came after the fellow was restrained had a bad effect.

Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:

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I am going to make a prediction. If this trial turns into a battle-of-the-experts, I think the prosecution will have the edge. The experts will cancel each other out, and the jury will use its common sense. Commons sense will tell them that the beating, head stomping, and pepper spray that came after the fellow was restrained had a bad effect.

The prosecution seems to have nothing. People who are well educated and understand how the judicial system works know that the prosecution must prove the deputies are guilty beyond REASONABLE DOUBT. There is only a judge assigned to this trial. I am sure that he is intelligent enough to see that the prosecution is pulling at strings.

Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:

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I am going to make a prediction. If this trial turns into a battle-of-the-experts, I think the prosecution will have the edge. The experts will cancel each other out, and the jury will use its common sense. Commons sense will tell them that the beating, head stomping, and pepper spray that came after the fellow was restrained had a bad effect.

There is no jury.

Do you mean, if he wasn't brutalized that day, he would have died anyway?

Come on now. The deputies' actions caused this death.

None wrote:

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The prosecution seems to have nothing. People who are well educated and understand how the judicial system works know that the prosecution must prove the deputies are guilty beyond REASONABLE DOUBT. There is only a judge assigned to this trial. I am sure that he is intelligent enough to see that the prosecution is pulling at strings.

Very well said.
Also, since there is no jury and only a well respected judge making this decision, I bet that the edge is given to the defense. A tenured judge would have seen enough of this in his time to understand that the deputies may have been acting out of fear for their health and lives - not only out of rage. Adrenaline can do some crazy things...

What wrote:

Do you mean, if he wasn't brutalized that day, he would have died anyway?
Come on now. The deputies' actions caused this death.

Not true. They are saying that his heart couldn't stand the fight. Not the pepper spray, not the kicks, not the restraints. The FIGHT that he put up to the deputies. He got himself so worked up that his heart just quit.

i believe that they killed him because of his foul behavior,(if what they said is true about feces and such) but it is very plain he suffered very horrible abuse at their hands and they killed him without remorse in fits of anger and ganged up on him while he was unable to do anything to them , being shackled and totally defensless. i pray that no one else has to suffer at the hands of those who are supposed to be "peace officers who are sworn to protect the public". It is becoming increasingly clear to many of the public the law is the most dangerous element of our society and also the most corrupt as far as murders, lying , no concept of reality as far as victims rights and innocence before they exert their "authority"

and most times they are found to have committed crimes that the normal citizen would fry for or go to prison for, they get off scot free, even when they hurt innocent victims, unintentionally maybe, but they do the crime, they should still pay the penalties just like ordinary citizen would . I among many other people see the total corruption of police forces all over and the brutality they do to people they arrest (on news tapes) and i for one would not call police for help unless there was no other way cause i am more afraid of them than the dangerous situations i have lived through. they are totally responsible for the inmates death , in my opinion and the professional one that testified truthfully.

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i believe that they killed him because of his foul behavior,(if what they said is true about feces and such) but it is very plain he suffered very horrible abuse at their hands and they killed him without remorse in fits of anger and ganged up on him while he was unable to do anything to them , being shackled and totally defensless. i pray that no one else has to suffer at the hands of those who are supposed to be "peace officers who are sworn to protect the public". It is becoming increasingly clear to many of the public the law is the most dangerous element of our society and also the most corrupt as far as murders, lying , no concept of reality as far as victims rights and innocence before they exert their "authority"

You are obviously living in a different part of the world if you think the worst thing that is going on in our society is the "law enforcement" what about that poor law enforcement officer who was executed last month. Do you think he deserved that?

no name wrote:

and most times they are found to have committed crimes that the normal citizen would fry for or go to prison for, they get off scot free, even when they hurt innocent victims, unintentionally maybe, but they do the crime, they should still pay the penalties just like ordinary citizen would . I among many other people see the total corruption of police forces all over and the brutality they do to people they arrest (on news tapes) and i for one would not call police for help unless there was no other way cause i am more afraid of them than the dangerous situations i have lived through. they are totally responsible for the inmates death , in my opinion and the professional one that testified truthfully.

My god! just crawl in a hole please and do the rest of us a favor and dont talk or type to anyone again.

Why did the Beacon **** out the word hole? Musta thought I was callin him or her one. lol

Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:

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I am going to make a prediction. If this trial turns into a battle-of-the-experts, I think the prosecution will have the edge. The experts will cancel each other out, and the jury will use its common sense. Commons sense will tell them that the beating, head stomping, and pepper spray that came after the fellow was restrained had a bad effect.

Where have you been?? He waived his right to a jury trial, the entire decision will be made by the judge. Perhaps you should be up on the facts before you make any more ignorant (as most of your comments are) postings.

I think it was a combination of factors that caused this death. The inmate was combative and would not stop no matter what. The officers where upset with the feces,blood and urine all over the cell and having to fight with a large naked man. The supervisors should have stepped in before it got so out of hand.

Law enforcement puts brave men in women in situations that the general person would be scared to death of. They are unbelievably brave and deserve to be treated accordingly. Spur of the moment actions may not always be what one would have done in hindsight, but who are we to judge. They are the ones putting their lives on the line every time the clock in for work. And let's not forget - Mark wasn't in jail because he was making cupcakes for the elderly. I am not saying he deserved to die, but come on!

Tiffany wrote:

Where are all those Police Haters at now? Hmmm, and then you realize that there are two sides to every story. The man signed his own death papers when he acted irrationally after having such a bad heart.

This guy is so full of crap it is sad to see people say things that are so unture. I seen for myself Marks X-rays from his test's that was sent to the State of Ohio for workman's Comp. The State Doctors said Mark didn't have any wrong with him and that he was in good heath. So who is lying now.

I'm not a Cop Hater, coming from a family of police officers and many friends that are officers. Yes Mark broke the Law, that is a known fact. But who are these Officers to break the law. As a result of these offiers actions Mark died. Its just like you having heart problems and I upset you and got you stressed and beat and kicked you, sprayed you with pepper spray that lead to your death. That is Murder in the courts eyes.

These Offiers Marks actions lead to Marks Death. Remember the Akron Police officer that died of a heart attack at a Buchtel High School Basketball game because a young female was fighting that lead to his death. She was charged with his death as a result of her actions.

Ever heard the phrase "the best expert that money can buy?" Well, the good doctor seems to be just that. Trust me, you can pay someone to provide their "opinion" on just about anything. It's not perjury, it's what he thinks. It states he observed the autopsy findings, he didn't view the body. An obscure 81 year old professor from Michigan? Let's bring Dr. Cox in to testify--he loved to blame the local constabulary! Someone earlier stated the the judge has likely seen this kind of thing before--no doubt. And I'm certain he will be able to assess the validity of this "expert witness" also.

Well I want to know how he can tell what type of heartbeat A DEAD HEART HAS??????

Did he have past ekg's he could show.??
Or did the ekg on the Dead guy Show something weird..

Guess you can make up anything. If its Just your Opinion....

You cant tell me the stress of getting the snot beat out of you along with the pepper spray etc etc. Didn't contribute to the extra stresses on the guys heart.

The guy testified about jfk and mlk. How old is he??? And did he have the current courses on how to use the diagnostic equipment? OR did he just look at pictures of the heart and come up with his Opinion..?