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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31550 Jul 15, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
This paper describes the construction of all-time records for various types of extreme weather. All of that data is searchable through the NCDC site. Anyone can analyze the data and when analyzed, the 1930s show more extreme weather than in recent history (even though CO2 has risen considerably since the 30s). Nobody is lying, just using the data provided by the construction of the database.
Now do a coverup when you were caught with your pants down.

Time and time again wattsup misrepresents and twists, you deniers eat it up because you are paid shills.

Look at the dates, too, you silly goose.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#31551 Jul 15, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
This paper describes the construction of all-time records for various types of extreme weather. All of that data is searchable through the NCDC site. Anyone can analyze the data and when analyzed, the 1930s show more extreme weather than in recent history (even though CO2 has risen considerably since the 30s). Nobody is lying, just using the data provided by the construction of the database.
How things work. The first year that records are taken, all temperatures recorded are extremes. The second year many less recorded temperatures are extremes. It is obvious that over a long period of time, less and less extremes should be recorded. Even if more extremes were recorded in the 1930's than today, extremes today are above those temperatures. What is important is that the past decade was the warmest ever recorded.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#31552 Jul 15, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Now do a coverup when you were caught with your pants down.
Time and time again wattsup misrepresents and twists, you deniers eat it up because you are paid shills.
Look at the dates, too, you silly goose.
Well if had read the link, it says basically what you posted earlier:

The paper describes the construction of the “all-time” records for various types of weather extremes for each of the 50 United States plus Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. The paper details efforts of the U.S. State Climate Extremes Committee (SCEC) established by the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) and led by Dr. Karsten Shein. Basically, the SCEC dusted off old records and found other new sources. So now we have “new and improved” data (available here) for the value, the date and the location of the all-time high and low temperature, greatest 24-hr precipitation, greatest 24-hr snowfall and greatest snowdepth for 50 states and two territories. The statewide record extremes have been updated through 2011 and are subject to continuous updating.

This paper is an interesting read for those who perseverate on climate history and how it is constructed from a variety of observations both made from “official”(federal) observing stations as well as those deemed reliable from “non-official” observations (such as 12-oz soda bottles or credible “amateur” observer accounts). The new effort resulted in “the revision of 40 percent of the values” contained in the old dataset at NCDC and “underscored both the necessity of manual quality assurance methods as well as the importance of continued climate monitoring and data rescue activities to ensure that potential record values are not overlooked.”

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Now if you would like to analyze the data and show what Watts posted is wrong, go for it.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/14/newly-f...
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#31553 Jul 15, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
How things work. The first year that records are taken, all temperatures recorded are extremes. The second year many less recorded temperatures are extremes. It is obvious that over a long period of time, less and less extremes should be recorded. Even if more extremes were recorded in the 1930's than today, extremes today are above those temperatures. What is important is that the past decade was the warmest ever recorded.
I don't disagree with you that there will be less records broken over a longer period of time. But the 1930s were extreme nonetheless with 25 states recording record high temperatures from 109 to 121. That's pretty extreme. And the extremes today aren't necessarily above the 1930s temperatures, just in different areas as only 2 states broke their record highs. So again, to say that this is what global warming looks like is not telling the entire story of our past. The CO2 levels in the 1930s were well below today's levels and the 1930s showed the same kind of extremes but also the worst drought in US history.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#31554 Jul 15, 2012
SpamBotty wrote:
Read my posts above.
Once again you promote deniergate with your buddies kal and dirtie. Read my post. Read my posts above.
No one gives a rat's ass about any spam you post, SpamBotty.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#31556 Jul 15, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
How things work.
A la Bozo.
DumBozo wrote:
The first year that records are taken, all temperatures recorded are extremes.
Wrong, there can be no extreme initially.
DumBozo wrote:
The second year many less recorded temperatures are extremes.
That's crazy.
DumBozo wrote:
It is obvious that over a long period of time, less and less extremes should be recorded.
In Bozoland.
DumBozo wrote:
Even if more extremes were recorded in the 1930's than today, extremes today are above those temperatures.
Say what?
DumBozo wrote:
What is important is that the past decade was the warmest ever recorded.
Why is that important, grandpaw?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#31558 Jul 15, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>A la Bozo.<quoted text>Wrong, there can be no extreme initially.<quoted text>That's crazy.<quoted text>In Bozoland.<quoted text>Say what?<quoted text>Why is that important, grandpaw?
I didn't expect you to be able to understand.:)
You need remedial math as well as remedial science. Oops, it cant be remedial as you never had any science instruction in the first place.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31559 Jul 15, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>No one gives a rat's ass about any spam you post,[name calling].
No one? Are you sure? Perhaps tina will correct you.

Look up the word spam. Because you are a brit-dropout, you don't understand what I post.

Rats! That's what you dirtie eat with a glass of sangria.

LOL.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#31560 Jul 15, 2012
It's a perfect day here in sunny Paradise, 1592, the thermometer was invented yesterday and it reads the equivalent of what will later be known as a balmy 25º C, which can't be considered "extreme" now or ever, in any known language.
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Our Eskimo friends have recorded low temperatures, which are considered extreme in anyone's language, and the same applies to Bedouins and residents of Death Valley.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31561 Jul 15, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Our Eskimo friends have recorded low temperatures, which are considered extreme in anyone's language, and the same applies to Bedouins and residents of Death Valley.
First, Eskimos are not your friends based on your comments on the native people.

Second, you are wrong to say "the same applies to Bedouins and residents of Death Valley" on the same account but also they experience high {not low} extreme temperatures.

Go back to bed.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#31562 Jul 15, 2012
Has anyone noticed that litesout/libidodown posts less these days?
Who thinks he may have moved to Houston?

Since: Jul 12

Los Angeles, CA

#31563 Jul 15, 2012
what Richard responded I'm alarmed that people can profit $4281 in a few weeks on the internet. did you read this web link http://x.co/m3DS
MirrorMan

Palatka, FL

#31564 Jul 15, 2012
Conservative fundamentalists don't have to worry about legitimate facts and proven science. When they screw up they just blame it on the "atheist welfare-sucking anti-American liberals".

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#31565 Jul 15, 2012
MirrorMan wrote:
Conservative fundamentalists don't have to worry about legitimate facts and proven science. When they screw up they just blame it on the "atheist welfare-sucking anti-American liberals".
The party of blame. Never take responsibility for their own actions. It is easier to blame than it is to solve. How many viable solutions have they produced. For example, healthcare is very problematic in the US. They condemn what they call "Obamacare" (Really almost identical to what they proposed during the Clinton administration as they smacked down Hillary.) yet have no viable plan to replace it with. Oh, sure they rattle on about tort reform, which is an expense, but a minor one. Or removing the restriction of State control, a direct violation of giving more control to the States that they tout.

Instead of trying to make political hay out of every problem, why don't they work to help solve those problems. It is Party over Country.

Back to global warming, they put all their efforts into disproving for political purposes instead of being honest and looking at the established science. I really expect that the majority of them really believes that global warming is real but promote the denier mantra because they believe they can garner votes by exhibiting contrariness.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#31566 Jul 15, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Another deniergate: wattsup misrepresents the works of Shein et al. As you see below:
Revisiting the Statewide Climate Extremes for the United States--Evaluating Existing Extremes, Archived Data, and New Observations
New all-time extreme climate records have been set in several states over the past few years. These records highlighted a need to review the existing statewide climate extremes tables maintained by the NOAA National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). Also, since these tables were last updated, NCDC has greatly extended its digital data record into the past for many locations and has applied improved quality assurance processes to its archived data, revealing several potential new record values. To ensure the records maintained in the statewide climate extremes tables accurately reflect the most current and valid data available, the records were re-evaluated. The all-time maximum and minimum temperature, all-time greatest 24-hr precipitation and snow fall, and all-time greatest snow depth for each of the 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands were manually examined to determine their validity, accuracy, accessibility, and provenance. NCDC's data holdings were scoured for values that might exceed established records, and the validity of each potentially record-breaking observation was evaluated. The revised extremes tables were vetted by the National Weather Service, Regional Climate Centers, and State Climatologists to ensure agreement. In conjunction with this revision, a new state climate extremes evaluation process has been established to formally consider any potential challenges to the existing records and update the records tables as necessary.
CAPSULE: Ensuring valid climate extremes for each state requires digging into the archives as well as establishing a new, objective methodology for evaluating challengers.
Revised: April 13, 2012
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/B...
Evaluating Statewide Climate Extremes for the United States
The NOAA National Climatic Data Center maintains tables for temperature and precipitation extremes in each of the U.S. States. However, many of these tables were several years out of date and therefore did not include a number of recent record-setting meteorological observations. Furthermore, there was no formal process for ensuring the currency of the tables or evaluating observations that might tie or break a statewide climate record. This paper describes the evaluation and revision of the statewide climate extremes tables for all-time maximum and minimum temperature, greatest 24-hr precipitation and snow fall, and greatest snow depth (the five basic climate elements observed on a daily basis by the NOAA Cooperative Weather Network). The process resulted in the revision of 40 percent of the values listed in those tables, and underscored both the necessity of manual quality assurance methods as well as the importance of continued climate monitoring and data rescue activities to ensure that potential record values are not overlooked.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/J...
So how do these lab coat consultants of climate blame explain the tropical fossils under the melting polar caps and on every other continent, if this climate of TODAY has NEVER happened before?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31567 Jul 15, 2012
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>So how do these lab coat consultants of climate blame explain the tropical fossils under the melting polar caps and on every other continent, if this climate of TODAY has NEVER happened before?
Think: our climate consists of events. Scientists study today the climate that's changing under the heavy hand of ever-increasing man-made greenhouse gases. How easy is that, a moving target that's globe-size!!

They also study the past by observing the footprints left by the previous events. Then they use what they know as science and mathematics to predict the future climate events.

How easy is that? Then, you don't appreciate their work, or do you?
YoU PHaLe AgaiN

Los Angeles, CA

#31568 Jul 15, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>SHIT WE GOT CAUGHT AGAIN!!
You ignorant booger eating hick

Tony Watts, bumbling citizen and Magic Gasser, CATCHES GOVERNMENT in yet

A.N.O.T.H.E.R. M.A.M.M.O.T.H. F.R.A.U.D.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/14/newly-f...
YoU PHaLe AgaiN

Los Angeles, CA

#31569 Jul 15, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>MAGICAL TREEMOMITURS IS
REEL
GOOD
HEET
SINT
SURS!
You ignorant venereal disease pitre.
litesong

Everett, WA

#31570 Jul 15, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
No one gives a rat's ass.....
Since "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" IS a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND a rat's ass..... "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" isn't saying anything at all.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#31571 Jul 15, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Think: our climate consists of events. Scientists study today the climate that's changing under the heavy hand of ever-increasing man-made greenhouse gases. How easy is that, a moving target that's globe-size!!
They also study the past by observing the footprints left by the previous events. Then they use what they know as science and mathematics to predict the future climate events.
How easy is that? Then, you don't appreciate their work, or do you?
Funny that these scientists who study the past by observing the footprints left by previous events start their studies after the 1930s. Seems that was a pretty important footprint.

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