Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

RANT wrote:

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Under God we trust. Our nation was built on religons. Hell why do you think we left Europe. All of are fore fathers took oath under God even the ones that wrote the consitution and admendments, this is a free religous country, yes, but no religion upholds homosexuality. Stop trying to twist things around like its about human rights when everyone that knows anything, knows its about the acceptance of gays and if you didnt have gay tendancies you would not be here raising stink.

"Under God we trust" isn't in anything I've read except for your stupid rantings. I believe the phrase you're after is "In God We Trust."

However, and more proof you're an idiot, this phrase didn't find its way onto American coinage until well after The Constitution was drafted and signed. I don't recall the exact dates it did finally make it on all coinage, but it didn't make it on paper currency until the mid 1950s. This was about the same time "under God" made it into the Pledge of Allegiance. That pledge, BTW, didn't even include "United States" in the original version. That was added in the 50s as well. This all took place during the Red Scare. Perhaps that is when paranoia fueled hate got such a foothold in this country. McCarthyism isn't dead. It lives and breaths in you. It is also nice that people of your ilk like to accuse those you hate of being hate mongers. The truth is they're fighting back against your illogical fears.

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Pat wrote:

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Hey Jackson, what happened to "no more SSM in CA, or anywhere?"

Well ... San Fransico is the home of the homo !!! lol

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Shows you know little about being a Christian, where do you live, i can refer you to a good bible study. There is no such thing as a better Christian, it's not like humans think, it's from God. You are not saved by following a script for idiots like you to judge.

This shows how hard of thinking you are. "Better" is a quantitative term that can quite handily be applied to most anything. He's a better carpenter than you. He's a better mechanic than you. He's a better Christian than you. It simply means that when it comes to the practice of whatever entity you're talking about, the person referred to as better is behaving more appropriately to that end.

My mother, a practicing Christian, once told me that I was a better Christian than many of the folks in her church. She knows I don't affiliate with any church or organized religion. The point she was making was that many of her fellow church members are Christian in name only. She was referring to action. The reason she had done this was that, once again, the church elders were busy ousting yet another minister. They were doing so with the support of most of the congregation. The minister's crime? He had the audacity to welcome poor black children from the inner city into Bible study. Unfortunately for him the church congregation is all white and racist. Ergo the reference to me.

So, even though your RELIGION doesn't allow for the ranking of poor, okeedokee, better, and best in reference to people, it is certainly plausible for rational people to make the observation that some individuals are not behaving in a Christian fashion whilst proclaiming to be Christians. This assessment can then be used to compare folks who are Christian and do behave as Christians should. That isn't to say the notion that we are all guilty of sinning isn't a valid one. However, when you let yourself surf in a sea of hatred you are NOT being a GOOD Christian. It is also possible to apply this relative evaluation to those who don't profess to be Christian yet treat others in a fashion expected of Christians.

Hey Jackasson wrote:

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You need to look up "naturalized citizen".

Ok naturalized as well as natural, which is a given you moron

Bruno wrote:

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Well ... San Fransico is the home of the homo !!! lol

Wasn't that a STRAIGHT JUDGE who upheld the BAN?

Go breed your mother again loser!

akpilot wrote:

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Some what correct, as a nation we did not want a "national" religion, but we certainly didn't create a nation which was to be free from it. The founders prayed openly at the beginning of the Continental Congress, they allowed the bible into the educational system, they and we still do swear on the bible as well as take oaths with it, they declared national days of thanksgiving. Yes, there is a big difference with a declaration that Christianity is the official religion of the United States and saying that much of our founding principles were based on such a belief system.

Unfortunately the truth in what you're saying is lost on the many Christians that want to claim that this is a Christian Nation. It is not. I'm not suggesting that this is not in line with what you are stating, just making an observation.

akpilot wrote:

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Not to mention that well after the ratification States had "religions" many required one to be of a certain sect to hold elected office,...

Yet this still permitted a continuation of what they were attempting to avoid. This requirement left many out in the cold and created quite a bit of resentment in some camps as well as feelings of superiority in others. Which is not at all foreign to what we see expressed in our current society. Namely that some religions claim to be the one true religion. This isn't unanimous, but it is present. Know any Pentecostals? My brother married into the religion. Now I'm going to hell. I can only assume my mother, a devout Christian (Methodist) is bound for hell as are the rest of my siblings (two Methodists and a Baptist). My niece was married by a Baptist preacher. He seemed a bit smug about their religion. Isn't this all a bit confusing?

akpilot wrote:

<quoted text>the founders took no issue with this practice as the State was free to do as it please, they understood that the Bill of Rights and the 1st Amendment were restrictions on the Federal Government and not the State (See the 10th Amendment), it wasn't until the 1960's that the SCOTUS became confused.

The rise and fall of a nation. It happens regularly. Granting all the benefits (and baggage) associated with marriage will have absolutely no bearing on this.

Bruno wrote:

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Well ... San Fransico is the home of the homo !!! lol

Well ... Wilmington, CA certainly isn't missing the village idiot.

I found your picture:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0O2CPGcOPk0/SLVTc7O...

Hey Jackasson wrote:

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You need to look up "naturalized citizen".

I would have to agree with you.....I'm an AMERICAN CITIZEN born in this Country.

A Naturalized Citizen is one who IS NOT born here, but gains citizenship by studying for it and taking an oath!!!

I hope Bruno/Jackson can grasp this:
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements state by our Government!!!

Bruno wrote:

Being Homo is a choice. When you make that choice you are setting youself up for a long hard road to travel as you are finding out. Just because you win here and there doesn't mean you have concored your fight to be queer odd couples of America. You will still be second class people who demand special rights where ever you go, society will see you as the johnny come lately who upset the apple cart. How far will homosexualilty take this country? will we start seeing TV commercials with gay couples walking thru a park holding hands selling homoroid products?

Please prove your own theory by CHOOSING to be attracted to someone of the Same-Sex!!!

Being Gay or Lesbian is NO MORE a choice than being Straight is........THE CHOICE IS CHOOSING TO LIVE A LIE AND IN DENIAL or Being who you are and living life honest to one's self!!!

Bruno wrote:

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Ok naturalized as well as natural, which is a given you moron

Wow! You actually learned something factual about how the country really works and it stuck....I'm proud of you.

If only you'd continue that learning rather than blathering on with your ignorances....

Bruno wrote:

will we start seeing TV commercials with gay couples walking thru a park holding hands selling homoroid products?

You mean like watching the daily commercials about Erectile Dysfunction known as Viagra or Cialis.....or maybe the constant commercials about dating from eHarmony and Match.com .

Please, you seem to be narrow-minded and forget just what we are seeing on commercials everyday.....and what our children see!!!

Smith Flat native wrote:

<quoted text>Most Doctors aren't in the same boat as you.Edu cated people are far less likely to fall for that kind of nonsense than people like you.You should try to stop criticizing people just because they don't have the same beliefs as you do.

I'm not the one that used the argument that people cannot reason if they are Christians. I am critical of people that are bigots and believe in your nonsense. You need to look at both sides.

RnL2008 wrote:

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Please prove your own theory by CHOOSING to be attracted to someone of the Same-Sex!!!
Being Gay or Lesbian is NO MORE a choice than being Straight is........THE CHOICE IS CHOOSING TO LIVE A LIE AND IN DENIAL or Being who you are and living life honest to one's self!!!

We've been here before and your question has been answered many times already. Bisexuals like yourself at one time make a choice.
You chose to like women .. and I don't blame you !!!:O~

RnL2008 wrote:

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I would have to agree with you.....I'm an AMERICAN CITIZEN born in this Country.
A Naturalized Citizen is one who IS NOT born here, but gains citizenship by studying for it and taking an oath!!!
I hope Bruno/Jackson can grasp this:
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements state by our Government!!!

Yes, I am aware of that

This is another needless topic on topix, time to remove this!

RnL2008 wrote:

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You mean like watching the daily commercials about Erectile Dysfunction known as Viagra or Cialis.....or maybe the constant commercials about dating from eHarmony and Match.com .
Please, you seem to be narrow-minded and forget just what we are seeing on commercials everyday.....and what our children see!!!

I just don't want children having to see the unnatural way of life.

Bruno wrote:

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We've been here before and your question has been answered many times already. Bisexuals like yourself at one time make a choice.
You chose to like women .. and I don't blame you !!!:O~

See, that's your problem.....I'M NOT BISEXUAL......just a Lesbian who tried to fit into a society at one time and it didn't work......since coming to terms with my sexual orientation......I don't have any interest in men except for friends!!!

Bruno wrote:

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I just don't want children having to see the unnatural way of life.

And I don't believe Erectile Dysfunction commercials are appropriate either.

Being Gay or Lesbian and showing public display of affection like holding hands and small kisses is not unnatural or inappropriate.....however having ANYONE show deep throat kissing, touching of breast and exposing body parts by the heterosexual hormonal teenager crowd in also in poor taste and inappropriate in public places like the park!!!

Bruno wrote:

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Yes, I am aware of that

Good, then you know that as an American Citizen.....I'm not asking for "SPECIAL" rights.....just the same right to have my legal marriage recognized by not only the federal government, but by other states as well.......as an AMERICAN CITIZEN.......my travel in my own country should NOT be curtailed just because one state doesn't want to recognize my marriage!!!!