Murder on the loose!!

last night my neighbor and her ex boyfriend got into an argument. he started beating on her so her brother tried to protect her. the ex boyfriend is BRYANT FORNY... he's a convicted fellon he murdered his ex wife not to mention he's laid hands on my neighbor many many many times. so this wasnt the first time. he had a gun in his truck put it to my neighbors head and threatened to kill her, i somehow was in the mix of it all trying to get her out of there.

the holdenville pd came and they wouldnt do ANYTHING!! they said that they would take them both to jail for domestic abuse, which is bull crap hellloooo he held a gun to her head and had visible marks. now tell my why they didnt arrest him for terroist threats? or domestic abuse? or assult and battery? or assult with a deadly weapon? what the hell is wrong with this police dept??? well come to the end the cops said he is to leave and not come back, or no questions asked he'd go to jail. after about an hour he finally left with some friends, leaving his truck there.

well sure enough... he came back. i called the police dept and the dispatcher laughed at me. and told me i needed to make up my mind about what was going on. WTF??? i hung up on her and called the sherriffs dept. that dispatcher was much nicer.
well about 45 minutes later jerry young came out to my apartment complex. my friend tried to jerry how the dispatcher was rude and unhelpful. he replied to him, "well you need to find her a safe place to stay before she gets someone killed, like one of my officers or something"... isnt that his FREAKIN JOB??? to keep his citizens safe?? she cant even stay at her own home because this murderer/psycho wont leave her alone.. and he has the balls to say someoone needs to find her a safe place to stay? why didnt they take bryant to jail? wtf is wrong with HOLDENVILLE POLICE DEPT??? DO YOUR DAMN JOB!!! no wonder why jerry isnt getting chief of police again.

well i got news for them... this stuff is going to state!!!! and their decision is going to be appealed.

not to mention dont police officers take a "certain oathe" to -serve and protect-?

i guess holdenvilles oathe is to -slack and go to wakeleys-.

This isn't the first time he has acted like that and the dispatcher too. What was her name?

kathy

yep same way they treated us. Sorry I know that you and your neighbor are now going to be living in fear. Just know that what comes around goes around and Jerry and Kathy better watch out because they have a shit load coming their way

yes i do believe that God works in mysterious ways... its horrible because not only is she my neighbor but she is my sister-in-law. its sad because she has a 2 year old son and she's afraid to go to sleep at night, she doesnt know if she's going to wake up in the morning, or if her little boy is gonna come up missing. its sad to watch my family go through this... living in fear. she said last night, "now im really afraid because i know now that he is going to kill me." that is the hardest thing to hear... knowing you can not comfort them. and then the police dont do their job.. so its like really??? how safe is holdenville's citizens?

He wasn't a very good dog catcher either

Was it Bryant Florie or Forny?

yes bryant florie.... i knew it was something with an "f" my mistake.

do you know something else about him?

now why in the world would your friend get shacked up with someone who "killed" his ex wife? thats just dumb.

I really feel for this concerned citizen. I also know that in abusive relationships it is up to the woman to rid herself of the abuser. Under no circumstance is abuse okay, but until she washes her hands of him, or finally decides to quit taking him back, that foolish man will be her worst nightmare. Until she wisens up enough to get a protective order against him and sticks to it without dropping it, this won't stop. If she has a protective order against him, isn't that grounds for the "make my day law"? I feel for her and her children, but it's her call, as far as I'm concerned.

What race is he?

It shouldn't matter what race he is, but I know of him and he is a black man. I wanted to add something about the police department. When a woman doesn't have or will not enforce a protective order, the laws get fed up with coming out to rescue someone who 2 days later is right back with that man. They have just as much right and reason to place her under custody for disturbing the peace, etc. She really needs to protect herself, but until she does, she deserves everything she gets. I can imagine that it would be hard for a woman who has no self esteem to put herself in a situation like this, but there has to come a time when she realizes that she is above this treatment and doesn't deserve it anymore. Again, it's her call.

First of all please let the victim know that there are resources that can help her. Area crisis center contact info can be found on the coalition website www.ocadvsa.org or she can call 1-800-522-SAFE to find help.
I know exactly who you are talking about and he is a very dangerous and manipulative SOB. You should look him up on ODCR.net and/or OSCN.net . You will find multiple charges of domestic violence in Pontotoc County, Marshall County, Love County, and Hughes County nearly all of them have been dismissed due to the victims being too scared to testify and/or mysteriously disappearing. We helped a victim follow through with multiple charges on him including harrassing phone calls to our agency crisis line. However, he mearly got a slap on the hand and a fine. Somehow he always finds the money for attorneys and/or fines. He has been in prison multiple times but never for domestic violence. He needs to be stopped. We plead with the ADA's in Pontotoc County and Marshall County that he would not stop on his own. However, at the time he was facing Assault with a Deadly Weapon and several other charges in the city and in Ada in which everyone assured us he would do prison time. But nope, he was found guilty and got a suspended sentence. I have no doubt he has killed before and he will kill again. The question is how many more before he is stopped.
Our prayers our with the victim, her family, and her neighbors please stay safe!!!

Sweet Pea wrote:

It shouldn't matter what race he is, but I know of him and he is a black man. I wanted to add something about the police department. When a woman doesn't have or will not enforce a protective order, the laws get fed up with coming out to rescue someone who 2 days later is right back with that man. They have just as much right and reason to place her under custody for disturbing the peace, etc. She really needs to protect herself, but until she does, she deserves everything she gets. I can imagine that it would be hard for a woman who has no self esteem to put herself in a situation like this, but there has to come a time when she realizes that she is above this treatment and doesn't deserve it anymore. Again, it's her call.

I can't speak for this woman in question, and have no idea how many times she called, but when I called the police the one and only time, I was treated the same way. I was laughed at and now I know that my ex husband was "working with them" he was charged and convicted but it took a out of county judge, and the sherriff's department to help me. I fear someone will die and Jerry will be responsable for not taking these calls as emergency situations. Each and everyone of them, thats his job right?

As for her "protecting herself" if you have never been in this situation or worked with victims who have, you probably do not realize, getting away and/or protecting yourself is IMPOSSIBLE. The MOST dangerous time for a victim to most likely be killed is when she is leaving the relationship. Again I know this man and I can tell you this is the case. When he could no longer find the victim he started harrassing us, hence the charges, trying to find her. In a 72 hr. period he called the crisis line over 100 times. Always threatening and harrassing us as well as sitting outside our offices. He is a very dangerous man, the last time he abducted the victim, she was all but dead except that we had a safety plan in place with her so when we couldn't get a hold of her as planned we immediately sent the police to the house. He had her tied up, sock shoved in her mouth, pulled out handfuls of her hair and had told her several times that this was it. All because she filed domestic violence charges on him and would not drop them. So although it seems like common sense to say why doesn't she just leave, etc. when you are dealing with a batterer it does not work that way. That is why we have had approximately 45 domestic violence homicides (both victim and children) in OK this year and 10 of those incidents the abuser killed himself. It is about Power and Control. If he (she) loses that control and power then they might as well kill the victim and themselves.

How did he get out of this? sounds pretty cut and dry to me. Looks like they have warrants out for his arrest right now so how come Jerry didn't haul him in last night?

DV crisis center wrote:

As for her "protecting herself" if you have never been in this situation or worked with victims who have, you probably do not realize, getting away and/or protecting yourself is IMPOSSIBLE. The MOST dangerous time for a victim to most likely be killed is when she is leaving the relationship. Again I know this man and I can tell you this is the case. When he could no longer find the victim he started harrassing us, hence the charges, trying to find her. In a 72 hr. period he called the crisis line over 100 times. Always threatening and harrassing us as well as sitting outside our offices. He is a very dangerous man, the last time he abducted the victim, she was all but dead except that we had a safety plan in place with her so when we couldn't get a hold of her as planned we immediately sent the police to the house. He had her tied up, sock shoved in her mouth, pulled out handfuls of her hair and had told her several times that this was it. All because she filed domestic violence charges on him and would not drop them. So although it seems like common sense to say why doesn't she just leave, etc. when you are dealing with a batterer it does not work that way. That is why we have had approximately 45 domestic violence homicides (both victim and children) in OK this year and 10 of those incidents the abuser killed himself. It is about Power and Control. If he (she) loses that control and power then they might as well kill the victim and themselves.

Thank you for the knowledge on domestic violence. However, I know that no one wants to have to kill another human being just to protect themselves, but I just feel that if they have a protective order on the abuser, wouldn't that be justifiable? I try to see things from everyone's point of view, but if it were me and my children, I would have to swallow my pride, nervous and frightened as I would be, and just shoot that SOB and not stop until I knew he was dead. Would a woman in that situation be faced with murder charges? That shouldn't have to be the ultimate option, but then again, if that was the only way for sure protection of oneself, it should be justifiable homicide. I'm not the law, but one would ponder this....

Sweet Pea wrote:

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Thank you for the knowledge on domestic violence. However, I know that no one wants to have to kill another human being just to protect themselves, but I just feel that if they have a protective order on the abuser, wouldn't that be justifiable? I try to see things from everyone's point of view, but if it were me and my children, I would have to swallow my pride, nervous and frightened as I would be, and just shoot that SOB and not stop until I knew he was dead. Would a woman in that situation be faced with murder charges? That shouldn't have to be the ultimate option, but then again, if that was the only way for sure protection of oneself, it should be justifiable homicide. I'm not the law, but one would ponder this....

Of course that would be up to the police, prosecutor, judge, and/or jury. But what we have learned and teach victims is that unless you have training/experience using a gun it is not safe to try to use one because most often you will hesitate long enough that the weapon will be taken from you and used on you. Obviously I do not advocate for violence of any kind, but from all my dealings with this man, his victims, the law enforcement, and the prosecutors that have dealt with him, I'm not sure he can be stopped any other way. It is sad to see someone so evil work the system so easily and so often.

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How did he get out of this? sounds pretty cut and dry to me. Looks like they have warrants out for his arrest right now so how come Jerry didn't haul him in last night?

The prosecutor felt like the other charges against him were stronger and he would get a harsher penalty. As I stated he got a suspended sentence. Let me add that from the time of the initial charge to conviction, it took us over two years and the domestic violence was dropped and he plead to a felony charge of bail jumping. To my knowledge he has been charged with domestic violence over 14 times and has NEVER been convicted.