Mormons: We are Christians, too

ROB wrote:

For those on this board denegrating Mormons, most ya'll sure seem to be hate mongers, attempting to proliferate your supposed Christianity as hateful human beings. If ya'll are Christians and supposed followers of Jesus, I'll think twice about coming to your church.

I don't hate the people, but I do despise your Religion and what it stands for. I don't go to Church. I do't need to. I can pray wherever I feel like it, IF, I feel like it. I don't need some controlling ,narcassistic men telling me how to live my life.

Mormons are not living in Reality. You are blindly following a man who claims to have found plates in the ground. Would you believe me if I told you I talked to God in my backyard last nite? Probably not. Why believe him? He is no more a prophet than you are. Nothing he has proclaimed has ever come true. Wasn't the world suppose to end already, according to him?

What if you found out today, it was all a lie. Then what?

Think for yourselves, stop blinding following the pack. Cults are dangerous.

brainwashing? you're funny. Parents love their children and teach them what is right. They teach them how to love the Lord. They teach them to stay away from things that can bring you unhappiness like drugs, alcohol, permiscuity, gambling, pornography, etc. If teaching your child to stay away from those things and showing your child how to do constructive things instead like joining the Boy Scouts, doing service, reading scriptures, etc If that's brainwashing, then perhaps America needs a little brainwashing, because we're goin to hell in a bucket real fast.
Families are being torn apart. Children are being abused more than ever in their homes. Sexual predators are raping and kidnapping children more than ever before. Hardly any child that is 18 now has two parents that love each other and are still married.
Sounds like some of you should get your priorities straight. I'm not brainwashed, nor do i brainwash others. I share the gospel with others because it has brought much joy and happiness into my life that could only have come through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. However, I would welcome any kind of brainwashing that is going to lead me to stay away from things that are dangerous and harmful to both my body and spirit.

As far as FAT members... You're right. There is no excuse for obesity. It is an epidemic that is plaguing the US. It is not healthy and both LDS and non LDS people should be careful what they eat. However, i think it is stupid to judge a faith by saying it's members are fat... obviously that's not the truth. Sounds like you're just looking for an excuse to deny the faith. You dont have to have a poor excuse to deny it. Just say you dont like it or believe it. That's good enough. We all have our agency. And my point wasn't to brag or say how great I am for serving in the military. I was just saying that I would defend your right to criticize my views because that's what I feel is right.
As far as members acting hypocritical, that's a personal issue. There are just as many earnest and genuine members as there are hypocritical ones. Usually the ones that make the church look bad are people like Brad who were raised in the church and don't really have a testimony of their own. Then they go out and party or drink or whatever and say they are Mormon. Even if it's a devout member, their behavior and example will be something that they will have to personally own up to. They will be held accountable for whatever actions and misbehaviors they commit.
No one is perfect. LDS people are not perfect. Jesus Christ did not come to save perfect people. He came to redeem all sinners who "qualified". Those who accept his atonement and apply it to their lives by following the ordinances and principles of the gospel.
The Jews were his "chosen" people and look what they were doing as Moses was on the mount getting the Tablets with the ten commandments. His covenant people have never been classified to be perfect. They are only admonished to try their hardest, Repent when they make mistakes, and let their light so shine before the world.

In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

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To funny! I HAVE NEVER said I am a MORMON! I may have been forced to be baptised in the cesspool when I was 8, but I never had a testimony of this crap nor do I now. The church is a FARCE. I will be held accountable! Accountable for leaving this crap behind and being my own person, not a sheep. And don't comment on Judaism either. Ashkenazi or Sephardic.

In the name of anyone else but jesus christ, nomen.

No hate wrote:

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I don't hate the people, but I do despise your Religion and what it stands for. I don't go to Church. I do't need to. I can pray wherever I feel like it, IF, I feel like it. I don't need some controlling ,narcassistic men telling me how to live my life.
Mormons are not living in Reality. You are blindly following a man who claims to have found plates in the ground. Would you believe me if I told you I talked to God in my backyard last nite? Probably not. Why believe him? He is no more a prophet than you are. Nothing he has proclaimed has ever come true. Wasn't the world suppose to end already, according to him?
What if you found out today, it was all a lie. Then what?
Think for yourselves, stop blinding following the pack. Cults are dangerous.

When people warn the mormons that they are on the wrong track it is a warning that is ment to save their lives... eternal lives...... they seem to get bitter when you try to help them...... then start calling out names like haters etc.....

So what are you saying? Only Mormons love their kids. You don't have to be of the Mormon sect to love your children and teach them right form wrong. Do you think you have a monolpoly on that? Mormons are the most self righteous bunch of phonies I've ever met. It is brainwashing if you take a child out of the womb and make them practice what you believe. You aren't teaching anything, except to be an obediant robot. Think like me, you have no other choice. I call that a CULT.

This isn't about being good and worshipping your Lord. It's about control, money, and, dictatorship. You live and breathe it and if you don't pay your 10% you're not a good Mormon.

Yes, you are brainwashed and you don't even know it.

That is my testimony.

No hate wrote:

So what are you saying? Only Mormons love their kids. You don't have to be of the Mormon sect to love your children and teach them right form wrong. Do you think you have a monolpoly on that? Mormons are the most self righteous bunch of phonies I've ever met. It is brainwashing if you take a child out of the womb and make them practice what you believe. You aren't teaching anything, except to be an obediant robot. Think like me, you have no other choice. I call that a CULT.
This isn't about being good and worshipping your Lord. It's about control, money, and, dictatorship. You live and breathe it and if you don't pay your 10% you're not a good Mormon.
Yes, you are brainwashed and you don't even know it.
That is my testimony.

I never said Mormons are the only ones who teach their children to do right... or that they are the only ones that love their children... You said those things.

And this part of your post
"It is brainwashing if you take a child out of the womb and make them practice what you believe."

is just silly. So you're saying that everyone in the world is brainwashed because this is exactly what happens to everyone when they are born... Their parents take them out of the womb and teach them what they know and believe....

Aconstas1 wrote:

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I never said Mormons are the only ones who teach their children to do right... or that they are the only ones that love their children... You said those things.
And this part of your post
"It is brainwashing if you take a child out of the womb and make them practice what you believe."
is just silly. So you're saying that everyone in the world is brainwashed because this is exactly what happens to everyone when they are born... Their parents take them out of the womb and teach them what they know and believe....

Greetings Aconstas1:
Peace

What I am noticeing in your writings here is that you are avoiding those points that makes LDS a cult, or at least deviate from what is known as mainstream Christianty.
Consider for a moment if you lived 150 years ago, you might be a child in a polygamous family. Your viewpoint would be very different, that is of couse unless you live(d) in the FLDS of today.
And what about that massacre the LDS did to regular Christians about that time....
It is interesting to note that you probably have a "brainwashed " view of that too.
Your rather easygoing writing style cannot coverup the Mormon cultism, and sugar coat what is inside of it....That is I am not against the appearance, but rather the internal processes. Oh, by the way, isn't the LDS having some problems with S. America. They promised something about DNA, and it turned out to be wrong....If you hadn't heard I will dig deeper and be more specific....

Peace
Robert

Peace

Greetings Robert F.
Peace.

Robert F wrote:

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What I am noticeing in your writings here is that you are avoiding those points that makes LDS a cult, or at least deviate from what is known as mainstream Christianty.

You are correct in a sence. We do not deviate from mainstream Christianity. That would imply that we are changing something from another Christian Church to get our doctrine, which we are indeed not doing. We differ from mainstream Christianity because we believe in things which mainstream Christianity has stopped believing over the years. Men have stopped believing in Angels and that they can appear to man to deliver messages from God. Men have stopped believing that God can call a Prophet to lead the covenant people. Men have stopped believing in the Priesthood Authority and the Power of God. "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." There are many other things that men have stopped believing in that LDS member do believe in. This condition was predicted of all throughout the Scriptures.

Which points would you like me to address? I would be glad to address any points you suggest as you seem to respond like an intelligent individual who can actually hold a conversation.

Robert F wrote:

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Consider for a moment if you lived 150 years ago, you might be a child in a polygamous family. Your viewpoint would be very different, that is of couse unless you live(d) in the FLDS of today.

Consider Living 4000 years ago, you might have found yourself the Child of Abraham who had many wives. Who is considered to be one of God's choicest individuals of all time. I would think that it would be an honor to find yourself a child to that man. Or any of the other's in the Old Testament who were commanded by God to have multiple wives. Once again. Christ fulfilled the Law of Moses. Not the Abrahamic Covenant. The LDS church is Jesus Christ's restored church to the earth Restoring all principles and ordinances of past dispensations, including Abraham's dispensation.

Robert F wrote:

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And what about that massacre the LDS did to regular Christians about that time....
It is interesting to note that you probably have a "brainwashed " view of that too.

Please be more specific. The LDS people warred with Indian tribes, but I have never read any historical document where LDS mobs attacked and massacred Christian peoples. However, this did occur to them very often as in the Haun's Mill Massacre among others.

Robert F wrote:

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isn't the LDS having some problems with S. America. They promised something about DNA, and it turned out to be wrong....If you hadn't heard I will dig deeper and be more specific....

I have written about the DNA in this other thread.

http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/latter-da...

Feel free to read my response and you can post a response on that thread if you wish. I would be more than happy to reply to any of your questions, comments, or concerns.

Have a blessed day!

Free agency? I was practically forced to participate in the youth BS programs of the church growing up. Seminary Mon-Fri at 0600, scouts, young men/women do-gooder crap, 3 two-week summer missions and the rest of the crap that goes with being a "good mormon" in the eyes of your family and other church members. what a crock! Since I was living under my parents roof I had no choice. Come my 18th b-day I was out of there and in the military. Screw a 2 year mission. I have a testimony that the church is crap, the prophet is a false prophet and I will never set foot into a chapel, stake center or other LDS building again in my life. I have never felt better or as free as I do now.

Free Agency? How about being raised with whacked out parents who forced you to attend seminary Mon-Fri for four years? How about participation in young mens activities when you knew it was all BS? I have a testimony. The church is false, the prophet is false, and my parents are brainwashed.

Aconstas1 wrote:

We are Christians since we believe that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten son. And no he's not a Jew, but we believe that we are adopted into the seed of Abraham and are therefore heirs to the blessings upon his seed.

y'all spend too many time crying over Joseph Smith, y'all talk about him more than y'all talk about Jesus, y'all need to teach people the right they have as child of God instead of how the angel appear to Joseph Smith, y'all to focus on the main person JESUS, y'all need to change the way y'all church is.. okayyyyyy!!!

Brad wrote:

Free agency? I was practically forced to participate in the youth BS programs of the church growing up. Seminary Mon-Fri at 0600, scouts, young men/women do-gooder crap

Poor Brad they really tortured you didn't they? I'm so sorry that they made you do things that to your own admission is "do-gooder" things to do. Even you deep down inside know it was good, that's because everyone has the light of christ in them. I'm sorry that your parents forced you to do good things that kept you healthy and out of trouble. Perhaps you should complain to God for having sent you into a family that loves you and cares about you and probably prays for you every night. Perhaps you should complain to God that he should have sent you to a home where the Father beats the mother after coming home drunk every night and spending all his paycheck on gambling, drug, and sex habbits. Or maybe you would have preferred to have been sold as a sex slave or child labor slave in Asia, India or the Middle East.

Count your Blessings, and don't complain to me on this forum because I don't feel sorry for you. I've been overseas and seen how other kids have it.

Brad, my husband went thru the same thing you did. He also left the Church forever as soon as he turned 18 and moved out of his parents home. He has told me some unbelievable stories about the Church and the kind of things he experienced. His Mother is so brainwashed I think she might drink poison kool-aid if Hinkley told her too.

I'm glad you were strong minded enough to make your own choices and survived the brainwashing. Some people ike you are unable to be brainwashed, thank goodness.

Jesus is the way and the truth... no man comes to the father ,except through Jesus..... Joeseph smith is not the way or the truth!

Aconstas1 wrote:

Greetings Robert F.
Peace.
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You are correct in a sence. We do not deviate from mainstream Christianity. That would imply that we are changing something from another Christian Church to get our doctrine, which we are indeed not doing. We differ from mainstream Christianity because we believe in things which mainstream Christianity has stopped believing over the years. Men have stopped believing in Angels and that they can appear to man to deliver messages from God. Men have stopped believing that God can call a Prophet to lead the covenant people. Men have stopped believing in the Priesthood Authority and the Power of God. "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." There are many other things that men have stopped believing in that LDS member do believe in. This condition was predicted of all throughout the Scriptures.
Which points would you like me to address? I would be glad to address any points you suggest as you seem to respond like an intelligent individual who can actually hold a conversation.
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Consider Living 4000 years ago, you might have found yourself the Child of Abraham who had many wives. Who is considered to be one of God's choicest individuals of all time. I would think that it would be an...
http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/latter-da...
Feel free to read my response and you can post a response on that thread if you wish. I would be more than happy to reply to any of your questions, comments, or concerns.
Have a blessed day!

Greetings Aconstas1:
Peace
Thank you for the opportunity to maybe clear some issues up. And maybe I am wrong, maybe not....I am by no means an expert on Mormon affairs.
First, I was refering to the Mountain Meadow Massacre, and B. Young's damge control on his failed military campaigning. To the best of my understanding, B. Young sent out Mormons to kill settlers traveling west. It was first blamed by B. Young on the Indians. But some of the truth came out in the end. The rest was damage control by B. Young. When Zachary Taylor was going to send the Army out to check everything out, B. Young said it was some renegade Mormons that did it. In general it would seem that B. Young had military glory in mind for the Mormons, but it was too soon, and they could not withstand the U.S. Army. So he capitulated....and sacrificed those that killed the settlers under his orders....
Next, is the blurriness of the American Indian/Hebrew DNA scandal for the Mormons has upset the S. Americans(the N. Americans Indians didn't fall for the evangelizing line. Too bad since a lot of them are rich from casino winnings now.) as they were more or less told they were the lost tribe of Israel. And scientifically that would be hard to prove now. This has caused a backlash for the Mormon heirarchy, and more damage control....
Finally, since Mormons are so into geneology, you might like to know that I am a relative of Rigdon.
I read your free e book.(At least I skimmed it.) Why do you wait until until page 45 to talk about J. Smith, and page 56 about the B of M? I find what you might consider a continuous history, actually is twisting the story in the end.
Christians could agree or accept a lot of what you write up front, the first 45 pages, but then comes the twist at the end....Something the Satan does in the Garden of Eden.
What I am saying is that after reading the long mainline part of your booklet, the mind goes numb by the time one gets to J. Smith, and the B of M. Is that a "brainwashing" techniques? Why can't you simply say the "twist" upfront?
Although all these things are highly suspect in my mind, I am trying to be honest with how I see and understand them. That does not mean I am totally correct, or incorrect. But you have to see, I am on the outside looking in to Mormonism....And this is what it looks like to me.
Peace
Robert

Hottie:

you know what kills me? You drive up I-15 from Sandy to Layton, and you see billboards for Work and the Glory and some other "jos smith" prophet movie. Nothing, NOTHING about Jesus Christ or Heavenly Father. Just crap about jos smith. Yeah, these LDS folks praise the right guy alright. Jesus Christ is secondary.

Poor me! Boo Hoo! Too bad I wasn't born unto other parents than the ones I was "given." Don't feel sorry for me Pal. Feel sorry for yourself in your continual belief in the LDS faith. Grow a pair and think for yourself. And to the moderator, grow a pair yourself. Your continued deletion of my posts only serve to prove that you cannot handle any other thoughts or ideas about the LDS faith if it does not conform to what you believe.

I find it interesting that When it comes to Mormons everyone screams brainwashing... How come it can't just be that we have our minds made up and we don't budge not because we are brainwashed but because we have had a witness of the Holy Ghost to tell us something is true...

No one is screamin that Catholics are brainwashed to pray to saints and idols.

No one is screamin that Muslims are brainwashed... or Jews... or anyone else that has their mind made up. Usually those people were raised up and taught as a young child their values and beliefs... why is Mormonism brainwashing.

I have been a member all my life. I'm only 27 and I'm currently a waiter at a Mexican restaurant. I have NEVER had a course on brainwashing. I don't teach people the Gospel with intentions of brainwashing someone's mind to get to their money as some of you would imply. I get nothing out of converting someone... other than Joy to see people quit bad habbits, make good friends, and get on a path to happiness. Along with all the missionaries out there, I do not tell anyone to take my word for anything; rather, I tell them to pray about it. To ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if what I teach them is true or not, and by the power of the Holy Ghost they find out for themselves. From that moment on, neither man nor devil can shake that knowledge.

If you don't have that knowledge, its OK. Maybe the Lord didn't bless you with such a witness from the Holy Ghost. I find it wonderful that Christ will be the one judging and not me. Only You and Him know whether or not you got a witness from the Holy Spirit.

I will research those massacres you mentioned. I'm not familiar with them, but you've got to understand that along with most Mormon History, there are many questionable sources. Many Apostates put their twist to history records and many of those who had much contempt for Mormons in general wrote many history books as well. Usually, I read both sides, pray about it and let God tell me which to believe. If any man lack wisdom let him ask of God.

Robert F wrote:

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I read your free e book.(At least I skimmed it.) Why do you wait until until page 45 to talk about J. Smith, and page 56 about the B of M? I find what you might consider a continuous history, actually is twisting the story in the end.
Christians could agree or accept a lot of what you write up front, the first 45 pages, but then comes the twist at the end....Something the Satan does in the Garden of Eden.
What I am saying is that after reading the long mainline part of your booklet, the mind goes numb by the time one gets to J. Smith, and the B of M. Is that a "brainwashing" techniques? Why can't you simply say the "twist" upfront?
Although all these things are highly suspect in my mind, I am trying to be honest with how I see and understand them. That does not mean I am totally correct, or incorrect. But you have to see, I am on the outside looking in to Mormonism....And this is what it looks like to me.
Peace
Robert

Since the title was How to be Saved, I began with outlined requirements in the Holy Bible. After all the requirements were laid out, one would realize that there are no Christian faith except one that meets those requirements. I didn't want my readers an ending that proved to them what they believed is incomplete and just leave them hanging, so I added my personal testimony of what i have found out to be true. Also, as you mentioned it was in Chronological order so it made sense to put it there. I assure you I am no professional writer, nor psychoanalist, mindreader, or brainwasher. I don't know any "techniques" to brainwash people. I just speak from the heart and what I feel the Holy Ghost prompts me to speak. I tried to keep my readers interested, but as i said im not a pro so if your mind was numbed, its probably because of my lack of writing skills. Also I didn't force anything or try to twist an ending. I bore my testimony and urged my readers to pray about what they read, never forcing anything on anyone.

Peace my friend.

Oh and for the DNA, I am Chilean. My whole family is Chilean and members of the Church. I know tons of South American members, and don't know anyone who is upset, offended, or feels misled by the Church telling them that they are a remnant of tribe of Israel... Im sure there probably are some, maybe even MANY whose faith is not what it should be as the bad habits of this wicked world are eating at many LDS members' testimonies daily. So im sure there are members that would be persuaded by some obscure scientist "proving" that the indigenous people of the America's are not stemmed off of Ancient Semetic peoples. 99% of these same doctors might I add say that the earth is millions of years old, that men evolved from Apes, and that the Creation did not take place as documented in the Bible.

Frank wrote:

Hottie:
you know what kills me? You drive up I-15 from Sandy to Layton, and you see billboards for Work and the Glory and some other "jos smith" prophet movie. Nothing, NOTHING about Jesus Christ or Heavenly Father. Just crap about jos smith. Yeah, these LDS folks praise the right guy alright. Jesus Christ is secondary.

where will they go if hey die to jos smith house or jesus house they need to stop with "(i know jos smith is the prophet of god and i know this church is true)" that is all they say if you go to they church every damn days