White House: 'Absolutely firm,' but willing to talk, on birth control

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fedupwiththemess wrote:

Instead of worrying about birth control...catholics need to be worried about the nasty perverts who lurk within their church disguised as priest who prey on children. That is what they need to worry about.

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fedupwiththemess wrote:

Instead of worrying about birth control...catholics need to be worried about the nasty perverts who lurk within their church disguised as priest who prey on children. That is what they need to worry about.

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notoorangeman wrote:

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They should also take a poll on how many "Catholic" women use birth control and how many "Catholic" women have had abortions. It's so hypocriticle. OBAMA 2012!

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Wake Up wrote:

This is about the First Amendment, and you thought it was about birth control or a social issue. This is about force by the Federal Government on any religious institution, to purchase something that teach is wrong. A Individual's free will can believe or not, this is not the issue. Either we believe in Our Constitution (and in this case religious protection) or we do not.. Get it now... <quoted text>

Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>This is not about force, but it is about the Catholic church running a "Business" and employing people, which they are supposed to be equal opportunity, from different religions who are paying taxes. Church is a house of worship not a business and if the RCC wants to stay in the hospital and university "Business" then they have to follow the rules just like every business.

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Dan wrote:

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"This is not about force"
It's a mandate, the exemptions the had before have been removed, and non-compliance will result in them being fined out of existence.
Sounds like "force".
Anyway, Obama's going to capitulate today per reports this morning.
He lost his ass on this one.

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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No one is being forced to use birth control.....anymore than someone with a insurance package that includes dental is force to get their teeth cleaned.
Even Fat Tony Scalia (a Opus Dei fundamentalist Catholic) lines up with 'the law.'
“One thing I think is crystal clear — there is no First Amendment violation by this law,” Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA, told TPM.“The Supreme Court was very clear in a case called Employment Division v. Smith, written by none other than Antonin Scalia, that religious believers and institutions are not entitled to an exemption from generally applicable laws.”
The Reagan-appointed conservative justice authored the majority opinion in the 1990 decision Employment Division v. Smith, a critical precedent to the birth control case, decreeing that religious liberty is insufficient grounds for being exempt from laws. The Supreme Court said Oregon may deny unemployment benefits to people who were fired for smoking peyote as part of a religious tradition, seeing as the drug was illegal in the state.
“To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself,” wrote Scalia, an avowed Catholic and social conservative, in an opinion that was cosigned by four other justices.

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>This is not about force, but it is about the Catholic church running a "Business" and employing people, which they are supposed to be equal opportunity, from different religions who are paying taxes. Church is a house of worship not a business and if the RCC wants to stay in the hospital and university "Business" then they have to follow the rules just like every business.

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Wake Up wrote:

This is about the First Amendment and religious protection within our Constitution. This is not about who they hire. Many are willing to be jailed now, including Ave Maria University and a prominent Baptist Minister. You cannot force this "rule" on any religious organization, Catholic or any Other Religions to force them to purchase something they teach is wrong. Have you studied Constitutional Law as this has nothing to do with hiring practices... what is next forcing a Catholic Hospital to perform a abortion in house.. no compromise on religious liberty ever. <quoted text>

rider wrote:

<quoted text> revoke tax exempt status and let them operate as they want. f**k them all they siphon 75% of charitable donations for political lobbying, demand they pay far share now.

rider wrote:

<quoted text> revoke tax exempt status and let them operate as they want. f**k them all they siphon 75% of charitable donations for political lobbying, demand they pay far share now.

rider wrote:

<quoted text> revoke tax exempt status and let them operate as they want. f**k them all they siphon 75% of charitable donations for political lobbying, demand they pay far share now.

Wake Up wrote:

You mixing this up with trying to mute free speech of organizations. This again is about religious protection under the First Amendment of Our Constitution. Why can't libs understand this. And removing a religious organizations tax exemption now, try it and see how that works for you! Before the courts can set aside the Church's tax exempt status it must first reject either:
A) "That the power of taxing it [the bank] by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied , and That the power to tax involves the power to destroy [is] not to be denied." -- Chief Justice Marshall, McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)
B) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishm­ent of religion, or prohibitin­g the free exercise thereof[.]-- The First Amendment.
Note that the B) is the very clause which anti-relig­ion types use to argue for separation of church and state, so setting it aside would set us, the religious majority, free to enforce religion in schools, etc. <quoted text>

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"Why can't libs understand this."
They are so much smarter than everyone else so they know what's best for everyone and shove down their throats against their will.:-)