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Sean

Roseville, MI

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Jul 13, 2012
 
I have a question. A neighbor told me that if you don't pay your water bill they will eventually transfer the money owed to your tax (in the form of a lien). I don't quite understand this. I did not believe him but he showed me a neighbor of his on the online assessment that hasn't paid their water bill for over three years or their taxes for that matter and it just gets transfered to the tax for that year. I don't understand how they can live in that home not paying taxes and certainly not paying any water bills. Can anyone shed any light on this? Who then pays for her water-us?
The tax man cometh

Royal Oak, MI

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Jul 13, 2012
 
Sean wrote:
I have a question. A neighbor told me that if you don't pay your water bill they will eventually transfer the money owed to your tax (in the form of a lien). I don't quite understand this. I did not believe him but he showed me a neighbor of his on the online assessment that hasn't paid their water bill for over three years or their taxes for that matter and it just gets transfered to the tax for that year. I don't understand how they can live in that home not paying taxes and certainly not paying any water bills. Can anyone shed any light on this? Who then pays for her water-us?
I believe that once 3 years have passed without paying the property taxes owed the "county" will start a foreclosure process. Letters including registered letters are sent to the property as well as any interested parties (e.g. mortgage company). Once the foreclosure process is complete the occupants are usually evicted immediately. Property then is sold at a public auction and the taxes are paid. County gets to keep any extra money made.
Logic

Roseville, MI

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Jul 13, 2012
 
I've only seen the water bill transferred in the form of a tax on properties that eventually ended up foreclosed on. However, in the one case I know of on my street, it was NOT foreclosed on at the time that the bill for that year had been put in as a lien and IIRC, it wasn't even behind on taxes at that point. It showed up on the online site as "Transfer to '09 tax".

Interestingly, it was NEVER TURNED OFF. When the house was bought out of foreclosure, they did a final read and then started over fresh with the new owner.

FWIW, when it shows up in taxes as a lien, it must be payed off in full before it can be transferred to a new owner. In most cases, that's the property owner (be it individual or bank), although in some places and in some instances (ie: tax foreclosure auction at the county level) the person buying the property must pay that off before they can own the property.
Logic

Roseville, MI

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Jul 13, 2012
 

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I just checked the other house I know of on my street (but a block over) that I know had the water bill sent to a lien and am wondering if SCS EVER actually shuts off the water to anyone?

Shut off notices were sent in this case, but yet the water never was updated as actually shut off, and it was eventually transferred to a tax lien (which then wipes the amount due to $0). A couple of months after, a final was read right before it was bought by someone else.

Then from 11/21/2011 to 6/19/2012 no payment was made, which then "transfer to '12 tax". In that case, I guess this new owner (a SCS resident with an address a couple of streets over) apparently thought the bank they bought it from was responsible for the payment, because they have paid the last one. Of course, it wasn't "final processed" until 11/21/2011 and they bought the property on 11/18/2011.

All of the other people I've seen online that have a shutoff notice sent pay something, which makes me wonder if they would even get shut off after that shutoff notice.
Dave

Roseville, MI

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Jul 14, 2012
 

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First of all I do not want anyone's water turned off but the question is why do they say if you do not get a new water meter installed if the city deems that you need one they can and will turn off your water when we probably have possibly thousands of residents that are not paying their regular water bills and seemingly getting away with it. My neighbor (who both he and his wife have brand new cars) says that when he gets his "shutoff notice" that he goes down to City Hall and pays something on his water bill. I didn't ask him but I thought that they had something posted partial payments not accepted. So how are these residents getting away with this when my family pays our bills first and then allow ourselves to spend on something if we have money left and our cars are both 9 and 11 years old! Maybe the city needs to look at this as everyone should pay their fair share! My neighbor says that they always have a small penalty and then shutoff notices (I am surprised that he volunteered this info) and again they seem like they live a comfortable life. Why wouldn't you pay your utility bills? Maybe the city needs a new system.
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Jul 25, 2012
 

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Another question is why do we have to pay for sewage rates when we water our yard, flowers, wash the car? There are a lot of other cities that give the homeowner the option to install a second water meter to eliminate the sewage charge. Sewage charges are why our rates are so high..Come on city officials can't you see this...Give us a choice as you are cutting back on your expenses in the city why can't you help the citizens of this city save money also????
Water Wonderland

Farmington, MI

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scs resident wrote:
Another question is why do we have to pay for sewage rates when we water our yard, flowers, wash the car? There are a lot of other cities that give the homeowner the option to install a second water meter to eliminate the sewage charge. Sewage charges are why our rates are so high..Come on city officials can't you see this...Give us a choice as you are cutting back on your expenses in the city why can't you help the citizens of this city save money also????
Installing a second water meter on homes has been discussed at council meetings in the past. If you want to learn more about why the then mayor and council vetoed doing it I suggest you attend a council meeting and ask them during audience participation.

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