The Daily Utah Chronicle - Macedonian conference reignites feud

Hooligans Gayreeks, NAZZIE bastards, showed their Afro "culture" again!!!

HOOLIGANS?- When it comes to your type

GAYREEK?- Just another "provocative" term from an uneducated Skop living the life of an Australian (k/a A WOG)

NAZZIE?- You DO mean NAZI I take it?

BASTARDs?- There you go AGAIN! Why talk about your children in such a way?

AFRO CULTURE?- Yes WOG BOY that is right AFRO CULTURE which extends more than the one FYRoM has?

SO WOG? WNY OTHER PROBLEMS?

WNY - *ANY

BOREC wrote:

Hooligans Gayreeks, NAZZIE bastards, showed their Afro "culture" again!!!

Let them burn them selves in the eye,s of the world and expose them selves as the last bastion of Fashism,lie,s and mythology.
They do not even show african culture, they are a joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Poslednata minuta od clipcevo e najdobro:)
Pozdrav i sekoe dobro Brat

Stifling the Cry of Irene at the "7th Macedonian-North American Conference" -A case of nuanced censorship through dehumanization and disentitlement*» Modern Macedonian History
As someone who has vehemently opposed from the outset any form of political interference with the "7th Macedonian-North American Conference" at the University of Utah (November 5-8, 2009), I am obliged to report an incident, which, in my view, infringes on the right to freedom of speech.

Irene Damopoulou-Karatzios, an expatriate bilingual Greek Macedonian, who was present at the conference, was allegedly disallowed, by Professor Loring Danforth, the speaker of one of the presentations, to express a dissenting perspective (during the allotted Q&A period) concerning a local Slavonic dialect spoken in the Kastoria region of Greek Macedonia but most importantly, to offer a personal account of her very own childhood experiences dating back to the fateful days of "Πα ιδο μάζ ωμα ", i.e., the "Evacuation" or "Abduction" of Children (depending on different perspectives) during the Greek Civil War (1946-49)[1].

Even though I was not physically present at the conference, I have had the opportunity to speak on this matter with Mrs. Damopoulou-Karatzios, whom I know personally and deeply respect. I believe that her grievance has merit and have no reason whatsoever to doubt the veracity of her statements.

It is noteworthy that Irene Damopoulou-Karatzios was also portrayed -by another speaker at the same conference- in demeaning terms. In his blurb in MakNews, Dr. Michael Seraphinoff, Chair of the 10th Session of the "7th Macedonian-North American Conference", has openly belittled, humiliated and dehumanized Mrs. Damopoulou, in a most condescending way. Whilst infringing on the principles of objectivity, fairness and scholarly open-mindedness, Dr. Seraphinoff makes a farreaching and tenuous assumption of Irene Damopoulou-Karatzios' "ethnicity" when he rejects a priori her Greek Macedonian identity thus effectively rejecting the existence of divergent Macedonian identities [2]. Indeed, Dr. Seraphinoff's statement is quite telling in this regard:

"This poor woman had probably been drawn into a Greek family or circle years before, and in order to keep peace in the family had decided to play dumb when it came to her linguistic and ethnic identity. To an outsider it appeared to be quite the sad spectacle, for her Greek handlers to parade her out at an academic conference as some sort of living proof of the non-existence of her mother tongue and ethnicity.
[www.maknews.com]

The pursuit of knowledge calls for the free exchange of ideas and perspectives as well as the open expression of divergent opinions. The ability to participate in a fair and open debate is fundamentally hindered if the speaker of a presentation or the Chair/Moderator of a session decide to suppress dissenting opinions by exercising their "prerogative" to stifle discourse and cut off dialogue. Silencing a legitimate eyewitness at an academic conference, on the grounds of dissent, violates the academic code governing freedom of expression and standards of conduct.

Everyone is entitled to dignity and fair treatment. Such treatment ought to be extended both to scholars and non-scholars (lay members of an audience). I submit that Mrs. Damopoulou was denied at the University of Utah conference the common courtesy of being heard and respected as a member of the Greek Macedonian community and also as a credible eyewitness – by virtue of being a young victim of involuntary evacuation and forced migration during the Greek Civil War (1946-49).

Indeed, what Irene Damopoulou-Karatzios has recently experienced, both during and after the conference, is precisely the kind of dehumanization and disentitlement that is considered as one of the basic psychological substrates underlying the perpetuation of ethnic conflicts.

Professor Christos D. Katsetos
MD, Dr philos, FRC Path

* Parts of this text were originally posted in the Modern Greek Studies Association List (MGSA-L) on November 10, 2009 under the thread "Conference Reignites Feud".
[maillists.uci.edu]

FOOTNOTES
[1] Ioannis Bougas, "Η Φων ή της Ειρ ήνη ς" (The Cry of Irene)- the true story of a young girl, Irene Damopoulou from the Greek Macedonian region of Kastoria unfolding during the trying years of the Greek Civil war (1946-1949)
[www.biblionet.gr]

[2] For a balanced account of scholarly perspectives and critical reappraisals of the subject, see “Μα&#954 ;εδ&#959 ;νι&#954 ;ές ταυ τότ ητε ς στο χρό νο”(Macedoni an identities in time) Εκδ όσε ις Πατ άκη - 2008

BORECSKI wrote:

HOOLIGANS?- When it comes to your type
GAYREEK?- Just another "provocative" term from an uneducated Skop living the life of an Australian (k/a A WOG)
NAZZIE?- You DO mean NAZI I take it?
BASTARDs?- There you go AGAIN! Why talk about your children in such a way?
AFRO CULTURE?- Yes WOG BOY that is right AFRO CULTURE which extends more than the one FYRoM has?
SO WOG? WNY OTHER PROBLEMS?

YES, I'M AND PROUD TO BE NON-ENGLISH!

YES AFRO-CULTURE!! Didn't hear about it?? What about the Gyareek famous AFRO-disiac?? Nothing changed about your AFRO-CULTURE, just using it under different names, that’s all!

Romans know that too....just because THEY were the ones who were there in the first place...and been expelled by constant war-plots made by ETHIOPIAN SLAVES and their sponsors!!!

"Piso, who had been the recipient of an unhelpful decision by a vote of the Athenian city assembly,

"made a violent speech in which he said that the latter-day Athenians had no right to identify themselves with the great Athenians of the days of Pericles, Demosthenes, Aeschylus, and Plato. The ancient Athenians had been extirpated by repeated wars and massacres and these were mere mongrels, degenerates, and the descendants of slaves. He said that any Roman who flattered them as if they were the legitimate heirs of those ancient heroes was lowering the dignity of the Roman name."

FILTHY BRANLESS AFRO!!!

BOREC wrote:

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YES, I'M AND PROUD TO BE NON-ENGLISH!
YES AFRO-CULTURE!! Didn't hear about it?? What about the Gyareek famous AFRO-disiac?? Nothing changed about your AFRO-CULTURE, just using it under different names, that’s all!
Romans know that too....just because THEY were the ones who were there in the first place...and been expelled by constant war-plots made by ETHIOPIAN SLAVES and their sponsors!!!
"Piso, who had been the recipient of an unhelpful decision by a vote of the Athenian city assembly,
"made a violent speech in which he said that the latter-day Athenians had no right to identify themselves with the great Athenians of the days of Pericles, Demosthenes, Aeschylus, and Plato. The ancient Athenians had been extirpated by repeated wars and massacres and these were mere mongrels, degenerates, and the descendants of slaves. He said that any Roman who flattered them as if they were the legitimate heirs of those ancient heroes was lowering the dignity of the Roman name."
FILTHY BRANLESS AFRO!!!

To talk to the likes of a stupid wog like you is draining so all i shall say to you is why do you not take yourself and your little bastards and move back to where you come from?

Borec do you understand what you post I no one thing you are a big racist I suggest you learn western culture and get rid of your Nazi behaviour it will never get you into the EU

BOREC wrote:

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YES, I'M AND PROUD TO BE NON-ENGLISH!
YES AFRO-CULTURE!! Didn't hear about it?? What about the Gyareek famous AFRO-disiac?? Nothing changed about your AFRO-CULTURE, just using it under different names, that’s all!
Romans know that too....just because THEY were the ones who were there in the first place...and been expelled by constant war-plots made by ETHIOPIAN SLAVES and their sponsors!!!
"Piso, who had been the recipient of an unhelpful decision by a vote of the Athenian city assembly,
"made a violent speech in which he said that the latter-day Athenians had no right to identify themselves with the great Athenians of the days of Pericles, Demosthenes, Aeschylus, and Plato. The ancient Athenians had been extirpated by repeated wars and massacres and these were mere mongrels, degenerates, and the descendants of slaves. He said that any Roman who flattered them as if they were the legitimate heirs of those ancient heroes was lowering the dignity of the Roman name."
FILTHY BRANLESS AFRO!!!

Filthy mongoslav piece of shyte!

Hmmmm, freedom of expression, tolerance....?????

Yeeeeeee wrote:

Hmmmm, freedom of expression, tolerance....?????

As compared to - ignorance and stupidity?

Lucas wrote:

<quoted text>Filthy mongoslav piece of shyte!

"shyte"

LOOK THE WOG IN STYLE!!!

hahahaaa....IDIOT!

Professor Nikola wrote:

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As compared to - ignorance and stupidity?

YEP, that's what your so called "country" offer!

BOREC wrote:

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"shyte"
LOOK THE WOG IN STYLE!!!
hahahaaa....IDIOT!

If i ever get my hands on you, you filthy
scum, i'll crush your tiny useless brain and stuff it down your throat, you filthy mongslavo piece of fakn shyte!

BOREC wrote:

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YEP, that's what your so called "country" offer!

Yep and you know what is unfortunate about it?
My CUNTRY is still known as fYRoM :(

BUT if you weren't as stupid as you are then you would have read a little more into what was being said.

I have asked you before and will do so again

ARE YOU REALLY A fYRoMian? You seem a little to stupid if I am to compare you with our brothers and our sisters?

Must be that hot Australian sun.

Professor Nikola wrote:

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As compared to - ignorance and stupidity?

Yer:))) don,t forget Civilization,culture,justice,f reedom of people rights of expression and the 21st modern world....You know the things all Yunanistan people run like it is the plaque.
THE PIPER IS PLAYING AND YUNANISTAN WILL BE PAYING THE PRICE.

I am Macedonian and i reckon that Macedonia should be allowed to be in the UN. Some people say better not be in the UN because we have more freedom but i say if we get in the UN we can have a say in Bucharest and the name dispute we can't be pushed around anymore fala mnolgu MAKEDONIJA!!!!

Dojran wrote:

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Yer:))) don,t forget Civilization,culture,justice,f reedom of people rights of expression and the 21st modern world....You know the things all Yunanistan people run like it is the plaque.
THE PIPER IS PLAYING AND YUNANISTAN WILL BE PAYING THE PRICE.

Ughh yes mmm - but you have also to include this?
And yes the piper is playing but he is also waiting for the fat lady to begin singing!

In their November Progress Report, the European Commission highlighted continued discrimination in Macedonia against minorities, including on the basis of sex, ethnic origin (in particular Roma), disability and sexual orientation.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/ne...

Dojran wrote:

<quoted text>
Yer:))) don,t forget Civilization,culture,justice,f reedom of people rights of expression and the 21st modern world....You know the things all Yunanistan people run like it is the plaque.
THE PIPER IS PLAYING AND YUNANISTAN WILL BE PAYING THE PRICE.

And yes the piper is playing but he is also waiting for the fat lady to begin singing!

In their November Progress Report, the European Commission highlighted continued discrimination in Macedonia against minorities, including on the basis of sex, ethnic origin (in particular Roma), disability and sexual orientation.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/ne...