Justice calls State Issue 2 misuse of constitution

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Visit a farm first wrote:

Jeff, you make some good points, and valid ones. However, I don't agree that all Ohioans can see through HSUS's and PETA's smoke and mirrors. You and I obviously see through it, and we both recognize that they will attempt to "fix" anything that doesn't fit their radical agenda, be it an amendment or a law, using whatever means necessary, including vandalizing or destroying packing houses, feedlots, and family farms. But unless the average John Q. Consumer does a little more digging, they won't find out just how asinine and heinous these groups are. Case in point: the television commercials advertising the website CancerProject.org tout a vegetarian diet to reduce the risk of cancer over your lifetime. Harmless enough, right? They're a sub-project of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. Harmless, right? The PCRM is a co-conspirator with PETA and HSUS. My point is this: if we don't PRO-ACTIVELY rebuff ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that HSUS, PETA, the ALF, and PCRM do, we will be RE-ACTIVELY trying to prevent them from carrying out their radical agenda. That is not a position of power. It may indeed be that a Constitutional amendment is not necessary. But I'm willing to put this Livestock Care Board in practice if it helps protect the future of Ohio animal agriculture from the likes of HSUS, PETA, and their kin.
Now for An aside: You think I'm for big ag...well, you're right...to a degree. Without massive grain production, particularly in the state of Ohio, we wouldn't be able to support the number of livestock that exist here. I wouldn't be able to afford to feed the 5 horses I own. I wouldn't be able to afford to raise the single steer I finish and butcher every year. I am not a big time farmer. I train my horses to work cattle and help my cattle farmer neighbors (one dairy and one beef, all are on pasture, no confinement systems) with their vaccination and identification programs by using my well-trained horses and dogs to corral the calves that need tagged and vaccinated. For my work, I get a bull calf every year that I personally castrate, de-horn, and then raise. So tell me again how cruel I am to my animals...please, I'm waiting to hear an intelligent response that is not fueled by emotion. I guess I should take my own frequent advice and not feed the troll.

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An aside wrote:

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Okay, I'm happy to answer. Actually I wondered why a 'grain' farmer would be so supportive of Issue 2, and except for support of your friends, it sounds as if you have far less to do with factory farms than the majority of (animal based) farming operations here in Ohio and the U.S.
First of all, the 'people who care what happens to animals are reactionary and emotional' argument needs to be put to rest.
Having lived my long life with every sort of animal, I am fully aware, that in all ways that matter, they are far closer to their human brethren than those who profit from their exploitation would care to admit. This is a fact, and the public has grown more aware of this fact in my lifetime.
This issue really is about agribusiness, and factory farms, which would roll right over anyone in order to make a buck, you and me included.
I understand your fear of disclosure and change; however, I believe in the 'kernal' of good in (most) all of us, and that truth, is why the majority of citizens genuinely care what happens to the animals destined for their plate.
Believe me, agribusiness isn't about to be demolished by the denial of this proposed, Consititutional amendment. If you truly are a small farmer, this really isn't about you.
Are you really not aware of just how much power agencies like Con Agra, Cargill, Smithfield, Hormel, Monsanto and Tyson wield? IT IS MULTI BILLION AND GLOBAL. Relax friends, there is NO CHANCE of your cheeseburger going anywhere.
I think I have to post this now, bc my computer is acting viral. I'll get back to you in another post.
Thank you.

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An aside wrote:

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Correction:
...Believe me, agribusiness isn't about to be demolished by the denial of this proposed, Consititutional amendment. If IF you truly are a small farmer, this really isn't about you...

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Visit a farm first wrote:

Jeff, you make some good points, and valid ones. However, I don't agree that all Ohioans can see through HSUS's and PETA's smoke and mirrors. You and I obviously see through it, and we both recognize that they will attempt to "fix" anything that doesn't fit their radical agenda, be it an amendment or a law, using whatever means necessary, including vandalizing or destroying packing houses, feedlots, and family farms. But unless the average John Q. Consumer does a little more digging, they won't find out just how asinine and heinous these groups are. Case in point: the television commercials advertising the website CancerProject.org tout a vegetarian diet to reduce the risk of cancer over your lifetime. Harmless enough, right? They're a sub-project of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. Harmless, right? The PCRM is a co-conspirator with PETA and HSUS. My point is this: if we don't PRO-ACTIVELY rebuff ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that HSUS, PETA, the ALF, and PCRM do, we will be RE-ACTIVELY trying to prevent them from carrying out their radical agenda. That is not a position of power. It may indeed be that a Constitutional amendment is not necessary. But I'm willing to put this Livestock Care Board in practice if it helps protect the future of Ohio animal agriculture from the likes of HSUS, PETA, and their kin.
Now for An aside: You think I'm for big ag...well, you're right...to a degree. Without massive grain production, particularly in the state of Ohio, we wouldn't be able to support the number of livestock that exist here. I wouldn't be able to afford to feed the 5 horses I own. I wouldn't be able to afford to raise the single steer I finish and butcher every year. I am not a big time farmer. I train my horses to work cattle and help my cattle farmer neighbors (one dairy and one beef, all are on pasture, no confinement systems) with their vaccination and identification programs by using my well-trained horses and dogs to corral the calves that need tagged and vaccinated. For my work, I get a bull calf every year that I personally castrate, de-horn, and then raise. So tell me again how cruel I am to my animals...please, I'm waiting to hear an intelligent response that is not fueled by emotion. I guess I should take my own frequent advice and not feed the troll.

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Shannon wrote:

Yesterday, a report revealed that out-of-state groups like the Arizona Pork Council and Texas Turkey Federation spent over a $1 million trying to get you to vote yes on Issue 2.
They may have funny names, but there's nothing funny about special interests hijacking our state's Constitution.
The three largest out-of-state interests contributed a total of $413,000, or 10 percent of all contributions to the Ohioans for Livestock Care PAC (United Egg Producers (Georgia), National Pork Producers Council (Iowa), and Pioneer Hi-Bred (Iowa-based seed and agrochemical firm).

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DrC Ohio wrote:

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But they don't let the facts get in their way. BTW, why don't the say that 10 out of the 13 board members would be political appointees. This is a sham board that will benefit the big CAFOs while pooping on the small farmer.
The other side is very bellicose about this issue is to fight out of state groups, yet Shannon-you are so right, they are taking money from out of state groups. Hipocrate-yes; Good for big ag-yes; vote on two-NO! Tell big ag where to shove it!