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California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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Frankie91

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May 15, 2012
 
keep it illegal! if it becomes legal we will have a lot of problems and people especially kids will get addcited to it too!

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May 15, 2012
 
Frankie91 wrote:
keep it illegal! if it becomes legal we will have a lot of problems and people especially kids will get addcited to it too!
It is the exact contrary. Problems exist with marijuana because it is illegal. It would never have been illegal, we would not even talk about it, and many people would be more healthy, and corruption would be less severe, and probably Obama would never been able to sign the NDAA bill. Prohibition of marijuana has been the trojan horse for "Al Capone" to get the power.
If legal, we can explain to the kids that it is a bad idea to mix tobacco in cannabis joint, and this would solve the addiction problem.
There are just no reason at all to make marijuana illegal, except the greedy criminal reason like making it expensive and selling it to the kids. If legal and regulated, the product becomes only a banal but excellent medication. In The Netherlands, where pot is tolerated, the youth doesn't smoke it, because it is not well seen, as opposed to any other country. It is banal, and it would look too much as a stupid trick to look like an adult. The prohibition of a drug is what makes that drug dangerous, only.
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It is the exact contrary. Problems exist with marijuana because it is illegal. It would never have been illegal, we would not even talk about it, and many people would be more healthy, and corruption would be less severe, and probably Obama would never been able to sign the NDAA bill. Prohibition of marijuana has been the trojan horse for "Al Capone" to get the power.
If legal, we can explain to the kids that it is a bad idea to mix tobacco in cannabis joint, and this would solve the addiction problem.
There are just no reason at all to make marijuana illegal, except the greedy criminal reason like making it expensive and selling it to the kids. If legal and regulated, the product becomes only a banal but excellent medication. In The Netherlands, where pot is tolerated, the youth doesn't smoke it, because it is not well seen, as opposed to any other country. It is banal, and it would look too much as a stupid trick to look like an adult. The prohibition of a drug is what makes that drug dangerous, only.
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keep it illegal! if it becomes legal we will have a lot of problems and people especially kids will get addcited to it too!
Actually, in places where pot has been legalized and not made a big deal of, research suggests that the use in children has gone down. If it isn't the "wrong" thing to do, kids won't experiment nearly as much. And, from what I understand, Pot isn't really addictive. I know many people that have put it down and never touched it again with no problem. Can't say the same for alcohol or tobacco. As for having problems, most of the problems caused by pot are caused by the criminalization of it. Competition for sales by gangs, cartels slashing and polluting national forests to grow it etc. If it becomes legal, the problems would practically vanish. Making it legal will NOT cause any more people to smoke it than what do now. Unless you live in a cave, you know it is easy to get, and millions of people smoke it whether it is legal or not. Legality will only make it possible to use without going to jail.

It's a simple thing. Give people a choice. I have tried pot, and I don't like it for myself. But I don't like to drink alcohol anymore either. But millions of people do. If they want it, give it to them. Pot doesn't cause half of the problems that alcohol does and has many medical uses, as I stated in my story above. Besides, a little relaxation would do this society some good.

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May 15, 2012
 
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Isn't Amsterdam closer? It's legal there.
well it is closer but theres a big fuss bout it in the USA so it cud be mre exciting der
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On Principle: I have to drive to Nevada to get the kind of trans fat I use in cake frosting for my business, since the state decided it can't be sold here.

But I can get Marijuana?

Where's the logic?

There is also the fact that the police can more readily tell if a person has been consuming alcohol. With pot, just as dangerous behind the wheel, and not so easily noticed.
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May 15, 2012
 
Susanna Gordon wrote:
On Principle: I have to drive to Nevada to get the kind of trans fat I use in cake frosting for my business, since the state decided it can't be sold here.
But I can get Marijuana?
Where's the logic?
There is also the fact that the police can more readily tell if a person has been consuming alcohol. With pot, just as dangerous behind the wheel, and not so easily noticed.
I'm just curious, what trans fat are you using that you get from Nevada? Pot is just as dangerous as a drunk? Who told you that?
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Actually, in places where pot has been legalized and not made a big deal of, research suggests that the use in children has gone down. If it isn't the "wrong" thing to do, kids won't experiment nearly as much. And, from what I understand, Pot isn't really addictive. I know many people that have put it down and never touched it again with no problem. Can't say the same for alcohol or tobacco. As for having problems, most of the problems caused by pot are caused by the criminalization of it. Competition for sales by gangs, cartels slashing and polluting national forests to grow it etc. If it becomes legal, the problems would practically vanish. Making it legal will NOT cause any more people to smoke it than what do now. Unless you live in a cave, you know it is easy to get, and millions of people smoke it whether it is legal or not. Legality will only make it possible to use without going to jail.
It's a simple thing. Give people a choice. I have tried pot, and I don't like it for myself. But I don't like to drink alcohol anymore either. But millions of people do. If they want it, give it to them. Pot doesn't cause half of the problems that alcohol does and has many medical uses, as I stated in my story above. Besides, a little relaxation would do this society some good.
Well said and I agree.

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Susanna Gordon wrote:
There is also the fact that the police can more readily tell if a person has been consuming alcohol. With pot, just as dangerous behind the wheel, and not so easily noticed.
That's a myth. Studies shows that cannabis prevents accidents. Young drivers-smokers get to paranoids to take a car, and old drivers-smokers are more cool and succeeds better the test of driving. Many studies have confirmed this. You can find them on the net easily. Alcohol, on the contrary, takes the inhibition away, and makes you believe your are the king of the road, when it really kills your sense of speed and relativity. It is really not comparable. With that respect, cannabis is already harm reduction.
Anyway, car are dangerous, and it is even more dangerous to name easy scapegoat. Be responsible, that's all.

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legalize it

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its potentially more better for people than it cause harm

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its got my vote
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Susanna Gordon wrote:
On Principle: I have to drive to Nevada to get the kind of trans fat I use in cake frosting for my business, since the state decided it can't be sold here.
But I can get Marijuana?
Where's the logic?
There is also the fact that the police can more readily tell if a person has been consuming alcohol. With pot, just as dangerous behind the wheel, and not so easily noticed.
I'm still waiting for your answer?
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CitizenTopix wrote:
Proposition 19 would change California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed:
- Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use.
- Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older.
- Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old.
- Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.
How will you vote on November 2?
I'm going to agree with Tinamo from Glendale down below....but i believe prop 19 is on to something and should pass after we define a few more laws within the prop.....in addition, these laws would be both at the federal and state level approved....I am also surprised that the age is not 18 versus the proposed 21.....they can die (military) for us but they can't have a drink or smoke?...confused :-)
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How about this? Everyone that believes in freedom and personal responsibility, raise your left hand. Now, use your right hand to punch anyone who doesn't have their left hand up!

Thank you!

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#10692
May 17, 2012
 
amsterdam legalized it way back when and is now changing that policy.

do you wonder why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_t...

obviously, they have learned the lesson. illicit drugs are not good for society.

personally,I don't think we should legalize drugs. but I believe the only way for people to finally understand this is to allow it to be legalized. see the results.

amsterday learned. the usa will learn.

not as bad as alcohol? imagine double the number of dui. maybe even more...

drugs make you stupid. don't believe me? watch repo-man on tv. check out what's happening on capitol hill.

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May 18, 2012
 
A lot of things makes human stupid, and making something illegal for that reason, can only add irresponsibility to the stupidity.

Drug does not exist. A drug is a medication made illegal so that its price is multiplied by one hundred and so that the sellers can target the kids, sell it without taxes, without any quality control, etc.

Each time a drug is prohibited, its consumption rises and you make the drug dealers happy. Prohibition is enforced by the drug dealers, and the people corrupted by it.

There has never been a drug problem, only health related problem, which can be cured rather easily, when the medication for it are legal, of course (like tabernanthe iboga, salvia divinorum).

We have to legalize all drugs, because if you exchange an atom of liberty for security, you loose both. Simply. Prohibition is anti-constitutional, really.

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May 18, 2012
 
MY UNCLE WAS KINNAPPED BY THE TIJUANA CARTEL AND HELD FOR RANSO, WE PAID THE 250K AND THEY STILL KILLED HIM. MORE THEN 80 PERCENT OF ALL DRUG CARTEL PROFITS COME FROM MARIJUANA, IF YOU DONT DELIEVE ME WATCH THE SHOW BORDER WARS ON NAT GEO. FOR EVERY 50 POUNDS OF COCAINE THEY FIND THEY FIND 50,000 POUNDS OF MARIJUANA. PLEASE VOTE YES ON PROP 19 IM BEGGING YOU. IF THEY DONT HAVE THE PROFIT FROM MARIJUANA THEY CANT AFFORD TO BUY GUNS AND PAY FOOT SOLDIERS TO DO THEIR BIDDING.
R.I.P UNCLE

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Bruno24 wrote:
A lot of things makes human stupid, and making something illegal for that reason, can only add irresponsibility to the stupidity.
Drug does not exist. A drug is a medication made illegal so that its price is multiplied by one hundred and so that the sellers can target the kids, sell it without taxes, without any quality control, etc.
Each time a drug is prohibited, its consumption rises and you make the drug dealers happy. Prohibition is enforced by the drug dealers, and the people corrupted by it.
There has never been a drug problem, only health related problem, which can be cured rather easily, when the medication for it are legal, of course (like tabernanthe iboga, salvia divinorum).
We have to legalize all drugs, because if you exchange an atom of liberty for security, you loose both. Simply. Prohibition is anti-constitutional, really.
the biggest myth about legalizing illicit drugs is that crime will decrease once it is legalized.

the above link in my previous post talks about this point.

read it and learn.
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May 19, 2012
 
Asian Guy wrote:
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the biggest myth about legalizing illicit drugs is that crime will decrease once it is legalized.
the above link in my previous post talks about this point.
read it and learn.
Try to think outside the Fox.

COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!
ASK US WHY
After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!

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