Vote No On Utica Teacher's Contract Proposal!!

It's about time they cut the fat out of the Budget!!get rid of those lazy shit bums!!!!

knowledge wrote:

Where is the outrage regarding the raises for the administrators? Everyone blames teachers but the top heavy administrators get a free pass. Hate the teachers but kiss bruce's arse? That is the major problem. No one addresses the board and their fiscal mismanagement.

I believe I did address this.

John Nehme wrote:

Vote No!! Who in these times could afford to take a Pay Freeze for three consecutive years? 0,0,0!!! I have Bills to Pay?

So does the rest of the world you moron! Maybe it's time for you to trade in your Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes Benz for an affordable family car.

I believe I deserve my benefits and pay increases, after all, I work hard to enlightened students with my knowledge.

Educator wrote:

I believe I deserve my benefits and pay increases, after all, I work hard to enlightened students with my knowledge.

Maybe have a regular paycheck, then add a Bonus for how many children are improved during the year? This way the Educators will have their benefits, plus the best educators will get a motive to try harder.

these are administrators that were horrible teachers and could not handle a classroom..bruce karam...alicia mroz..kim vanduren..carla percia.. many more...and they wanna tell teachers how to teach! ha ha ha!

You clueless skcuf! Jealousy reigns supreme on here! They can't vote down our pension fund. The NYSTRS has at least 80 million in it! I have 28 years in, I will vote no because more than the 60 teachers should be returned. Veteran teachers have no problem with 0, 0, 0! We don't trust Karam!

Teachers are GREEDY and SPOILED. They want big pay, automatic raises and no accountAbilityAm. Not that many years ago teachers cared about educating the students now all they care about is the next pay check and next day off is coming. Many teachers used to teach into their late sixties and seventies because they enjoyed their jobs. Now the teachers can't wait to retire. They don't even care enough to have their results evaluated.

Teacher Greed wrote:

Teachers are GREEDY and SPOILED. They want big pay, automatic raises and no accountAbilityAm. Not that many years ago teachers cared about educating the students now all they care about is the next pay check and next day off is coming. Many teachers used to teach into their late sixties and seventies because they enjoyed their jobs. Now the teachers can't wait to retire. They don't even care enough to have their results evaluated.

If teachers were so greedy, they wouldn't have gone into teaching in the first place. It's not exactly the most lucrative profession. If they're as greedy as the ignorant and very jealous critics in the community suggest, they would have gone into the business field or be working on Wall Street. The teachers I know don't (self included) don't exactly live a lavish lifestyle and a charmed life

teachers are cheap and stupid! they are also fat and some smell bad!

Your repy is both stupid and ignorant. There is NO where in private sector where you can retire at 55 and collect 60k or more a year for like and have your health insurance paid for. That is BETTEER than winning the lottery. That is a multi million dollar retirement funded by the taxpayers.

Retired teacher wrote:

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If teachers were so greedy, they wouldn't have gone into teaching in the first place. It's not exactly the most lucrative profession. If they're as greedy as the ignorant and very jealous critics in the community suggest, they would have gone into the business field or be working on Wall Street. The teachers I know don't (self included) don't exactly live a lavish lifestyle and a charmed life

you are full of crap wrote:

Your repy is both stupid and ignorant. There is NO where in private sector where you can retire at 55 and collect 60k or more a year for like and have your health insurance paid for. That is BETTEER than winning the lottery. That is a multi million dollar retirement funded by the taxpayers.
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They get coverage they have to pay for and the only ones making 60k are the administrators. Do 10 seconds of research before posting ignorant comments.

JAC2000 wrote:

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They get coverage they have to pay for and the only ones making 60k are the administrators. Do 10 seconds of research before posting ignorant comments.

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Thank you

You are full of it too. I do taxes and I have retired teachers I do taxes for, one gets almost 100k. Go to seethruNY and you will find out you are 100% full of bull. They get coverage at a reduced rate.

JAC2000 wrote:

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They get coverage they have to pay for and the only ones making 60k are the administrators. Do 10 seconds of research before posting ignorant comments.

you couldnt have made a stronger point,kudos to you. But,you left out a few names,not only from down town,but at the building level too. new trend now is very bad. You have these young inexperienced,ineffective teachers that spend aboit 4 years in the class room,then they get their c.a.s.and think they are angela administrator. I say angela because for the most part they are young women. You can count the male administrators on one hand. Im not bashing females. Im criticizing those females that happen to be in those positions. They enter administration because they CANT TEACH,or were terrible teachers with no classroom control,they want the power and abuse it,they want the title without having the ability to do the job. ITs clear as day to anyone who has been around long enough. For those people who degrade the older teachers; here are some points for you poor incoherent souls. First if the older teachers are greedy,they wouldnt be retiring at age 55. Secondly, the vast minority of teachers actually retire with a 60k pension. Are there some,of course,the vast minority. The teachers hanging around well into their 60s are the ones making it a bit more difficult for younger people to ontain jobs,not the ones that retire at 55. as for lifetime insurance why do you comment on something you have no clue of? Do you know what the cost of the premium? NO.So until you do Id keep quiet because you certainly sound like you cant afford it.As for who is responsible for teaching students,You got it,teachers are. As for who is responsible for managing our school tax dollars; administrators and ultimately the school board members that many foolish people voted for. Blame teachers all you want,all that means for those that do is they are very ignorant adults. Teachers were offered zero zero zero over next 3 years. Many havent had a raise in 5 years.Another lesson to do your homework before you speak,or speak only when spoken to. this contract is a joke,but yet every other bargaining unit gets raises,administrators get 25k incentives. No one complains about them. Thats ok not looking for anyone to complain at all,just understand the entire situation before you comment. As for the A.P.P.R. Thats worst than the zero zero zero. Anyone who votes for this contract needs their head examined.the district in the previous offer stated freezes and no steps. Good. Becaus eit was voted down and you teachers would get your step and longevity anyway. NOw the district is offering your step and longevity,(something you already have coming to you) but they are offering zero zero zero raises over the next 3 years. In reality if they were offering you a 3 year contract with a raise it would say something similar to 1%,2%,1%. They are doing the same thing,only they are not showing you the visual 0%,0%,0%. they are calling it freezes,because its more deceiving. Such like gas prices in the days where it was advertised as 1.099. more like 1.10 but not exhibiting it as such.As I began many more incompetent administrators taht need to go. Many more not to hire. Should be a law that one has have to have at least 12 to 15 years of successful teaching experience to even apply to get their C.A.S. Vote NO.

Teachers are Greedy wrote:

You are full of it too. I do taxes and I have retired teachers I do taxes for, one gets almost 100k. Go to seethruNY and you will find out you are 100% full of bull. They get coverage at a reduced rate.
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Obviously you are leaving out some truth. All of the income you reference is definitely not from teaching in Utica City schools unless they were an administrator, superintendent, or worked for 50 years? Who is full of bull? I think it's you.

I don't have time to continue, but as you can see I am right and your fellow teacher is full of it.
Those are 2010, 2011 is mor and 2012, I am sure will be even more.

for hot mess wrote:

you couldnt have made a stronger point,kudos to you. But,you left out a few names,not only from down town,but at the building level too. new trend now is very bad. You have these young inexperienced,ineffective teachers that spend aboit 4 years in the class room,then they get their c.a.s.and think they are angela administrator. I say angela because for the most part they are young women. You can count the male administrators on one hand. Im not bashing females. Im criticizing those females that happen to be in those positions. They enter administration because they CANT TEACH,or were terrible teachers with no classroom control,they want the power and abuse it,they want the title without having the ability to do the job. ITs clear as day to anyone who has been around long enough. For those people who degrade the older teachers; here are some points for you poor incoherent souls. First if the older teachers are greedy,they wouldnt be retiring at age 55. Secondly, the vast minority of teachers actually retire with a 60k pension. Are there some,of course,the vast minority. The teachers hanging around well into their 60s are the ones making it a bit more difficult for younger people to ontain jobs,not the ones that retire at 55. as for lifetime insurance why do you comment on something you have no clue of? Do you know what the cost of the premium? NO.So until you do Id keep quiet because you certainly sound like you cant afford it.As for who is responsible for teaching students,You got it,teachers are. As for who is responsible for managing our school tax dollars; administrators and ultimately the school board members that many foolish people voted for. Blame teachers all you want,all that means for those that do is they are very ignorant adults. Teachers were offered zero zero zero over next 3 years. Many havent had a raise in 5 years.Another lesson to do your homework before you speak,or speak only when spoken to. this contract is a joke,but yet every other bargaining unit gets raises,administrators get 25k incentives. No one complains about them. Thats ok not looking for anyone to complain at all,just understand the entire situation before you comment. As for the A.P.P.R. Thats worst than the zero zero zero. Anyone who votes for this contract needs their head examined.the district in the previous offer stated freezes and no steps. Good. Becaus eit was voted down and you teachers would get your step and longevity anyway. NOw the district is offering your step and longevity,(something you already have coming to you) but they are offering zero zero zero raises over the next 3 years. In reality if they were offering you a 3 year contract with a raise it would say something similar to 1%,2%,1%. They are doing the same thing,only they are not showing you the visual 0%,0%,0%. they are calling it freezes,because its more deceiving. Such like gas prices in the days where it was advertised as 1.099. more like 1.10 but not exhibiting it as such.As I began many more incompetent administrators taht need to go. Many more not to hire. Should be a law that one has have to have at least 12 to 15 years of successful teaching experience to even apply to get their C.A.S. Vote NO.

Thank you for so many points well-made. I'm voting NO. When the board president and superintendent exhibit some semblance of good character or integrity, I will reconsider. This proposal is better than the first, but still hits the teachers only. No need for teachers to accept this. Let them put the APPR separate, so they can hire back the 60 teachers. If they need more, they shouldn't have agreed to raises for everyone else.

Educator wrote:

I believe I deserve my benefits and pay increases, after all, I work hard to enlightened students with my knowledge.

I'm sure you are an educator.

at least is somewhat comforting to see that some posters on this thread make sense,use logic,and factual information to back up their facts and opinions. For someone to say teachers are greedy is either comical or ignorant. Thank God they are not teachers. One would ask me,how do you know they are not teachers? Lets just say its a possibility as much a possibility that the poster calling themself teachers are greedy is a BRAIN SURGEON. The other poster is correct in saying that the current contract proposal offered to the utica teachers is Nothing more than what was voted down. The difference is the district offering $25 a day for unused sick time upon retirement instead of $20 a day. Teachers remember zero zero zero based on 5 years ago negotiations. VOTE NO. You get your steps if no agreement is reached anyway. Force your union clowns because they are not for you to separarate the appr from the money. The union body has the right and authority to demand this happens. The union officials work for you. If they do not cooperate contact NUSUT. If they get involved they will find that many more underhanded illegal things are going on within your own local. Let me ask you this; your union proposed and had a tentative agreement for union members get DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP INSURANCE. NOW dids the majority of teachers in your union request this or basically a small minority? WHY WAS THIS IN THE PROPOSAL AND TENTATIVELY AGREED UPON BY YOUR UNION LEADERS? was this one of the most important issues that your union officials were asked to fight for? This insurance can be purchased the same as a cobra plan. It is expensive but can be purchased,just as some teachers purchase for their children that qualify. To have the audacity to negotiate this and give up everything else for the sake of a handful of people is down right insulting and borderline criminal. This union leadership needs to go. FOR THE TEACHERS SAKE ASAP. IF you dont show your solidarity agaainst your so called leaders,your ship will be sinking fast. To those teachers that have been around you have a strong idea of what was said and how true it is. For trhe young teachers,its time to get aliuttle different kind of education for your own good and for your educational future so you dont allow your union to BUFFALO YOU. GOOD LUCK,STICK TOGETHER and tell them TO SHOVE THEIR OFFER UP THEIR A$$.