Whitesboro Varsity Football Coaches

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Disappointed Fan

Utica, NY

#1 Nov 2, 2011
So who thinks the Wboro football coaches need to stop worrying about winning by 50 and when they're up by a good amount let some other players play that work just as hard as the starters in practice and give their heart and sole into the sport. Just wondering. Any opinions?
Really

New York, NY

#2 Nov 2, 2011
My opinion is that if you're not a starter at Wboro you might as well play soccer. Schoen is a good x and o coach but he sure isn't a players' coach. He plays politics and favorites, and since a lot of the best players play both ways, most games only about 20 kids even see the field. The rest are supposed to be cheerleaders. If you're not one of his golden boys or you don't do something really special in practice, you won't ever see the field. And don't get injured, or you will be quickly forgotten.
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#3 Nov 2, 2011
If a team is up by 30 points in the 4th quarter, or by more in the 3rd quarter, its only smart coaching to take starters out and put 2nd & 3rd string players in.

Not mass substition, but those positions that seniors are playing so the guy who will start next year can get some experience. Also, you pull out your star starters to avoid unnecessary injuries.
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#4 Nov 2, 2011
*substitution
Git Fiddle

Holland Patent, NY

#5 Nov 2, 2011
Its always been that way in Whitesboro, even as far back as that Azz Hole, Chiz Frey, or Harold Head. If you werent a golden boy you were sheet. They can all go to hello.
anyone know??

Utica, NY

#6 Nov 2, 2011
Really? They have been that successful by only playing favorites and politics? Seems that on some level in order to win year after year after year- someone in that program can spot talent and put kids in positions where they are successful. Obviously, not everyone's kid can be quarterback or running back-- but from my standpoint it seems as if coach Schoen has evolved. More kids are touching the ball than ever before- and the offense is more balances than in the past where 90% if the plays were runs.

Congratulations coaches.
DRN

Watertown, NY

#7 Nov 2, 2011
As as everyone can see I know everything about being a High School football coach, I know everything. To all my shut-ins this is how you coach football(ok I hang out at pop warner games)
What

Utica, NY

#8 Nov 2, 2011
Schoen a good x and o coach? You haven't watched him coach. Check his record when Whitesboro played schools their size ( old COL) hint not that great.

Plus he hasn't made any adjustments at half time in his life. When the team wins it's because of him when they lose they didn't do what he told him.
Al Davis

Utica, NY

#9 Nov 2, 2011
Who gives a shit about bench players

JUST WIN BABY!
Disappointed Fan

Rome, NY

#10 Nov 2, 2011
If any of you have been to any games this year you would see the god awful managing by the coaches. How can you consider them good coaches if they would risk hurting their best players in a game that means nothing. They have no thoughts or care for the other kids that stand the majority of the time on the sideline. It doesn't matter if the other kids aren't meant to be a quarterback or a running back. They work just as hard as the starters. And for you who said who gives a shit about bench players. Really? Do you have no heart or feelings for the teammates that make the starters better in practice each and every week. Who put their time in just as well as the starters do. It's totally unfair. I completely understand the win mentality, I played for wboro and graduated from there. but its pushed to a bit of an extreme when it comes to this school. A win is win, these coaches believe they must win by over 30 to call it a successful game. Another point i'd like to make is the choice of players who play. As someone mentioned Schoen only plays favorites, the whole high school sporting area is all politics and thats really a shame. As an alumni of the school I'd personally would of rather go to a school where politics aren't everything. A smaller school, actually have fun playing the game of football and enjoy my time in high school. Rather than stay at Whitesboro, work my ass off and all of it go for nothing because all the coaches have their blinders on and don't realize the effort given in practice. As a future parent, I will make sure my kids don't have to put up with a coach who's motto is win no matter what and with such a closed mind. Kids are only kids once, they only get to play high school football once. Give all the kids a chance especially when you have big leads. Be fair to the kids who give it 110% and give them a little in return even if they dont have the highest skill set. Be a high school football coach, not an nfl football coach.
Truth

Baldwinsville, NY

#11 Nov 2, 2011
Disappointed Fan wrote:
If any of you have been to any games this year you would see the god awful managing by the coaches. How can you consider them good coaches if they would risk hurting their best players in a game that means nothing. They have no thoughts or care for the other kids that stand the majority of the time on the sideline. It doesn't matter if the other kids aren't meant to be a quarterback or a running back. They work just as hard as the starters. And for you who said who gives a shit about bench players. Really? Do you have no heart or feelings for the teammates that make the starters better in practice each and every week. Who put their time in just as well as the starters do. It's totally unfair. I completely understand the win mentality, I played for wboro and graduated from there. but its pushed to a bit of an extreme when it comes to this school. A win is win, these coaches believe they must win by over 30 to call it a successful game. Another point i'd like to make is the choice of players who play. As someone mentioned Schoen only plays favorites, the whole high school sporting area is all politics and thats really a shame. As an alumni of the school I'd personally would of rather go to a school where politics aren't everything. A smaller school, actually have fun playing the game of football and enjoy my time in high school. Rather than stay at Whitesboro, work my ass off and all of it go for nothing because all the coaches have their blinders on and don't realize the effort given in practice. As a future parent, I will make sure my kids don't have to put up with a coach who's motto is win no matter what and with such a closed mind. Kids are only kids once, they only get to play high school football once. Give all the kids a chance especially when you have big leads. Be fair to the kids who give it 110% and give them a little in return even if they dont have the highest skill set. Be a high school football coach, not an nfl football coach.
The opposing team does not care who is in and they are trying hard to beat the snot out of Whitesboro. This Varsity level is about getting the kids ready for life after school ball. I am sorry but even though if my kid does not play much due to other kids getting that opportunity then kudos to the coaches. How can you argue what they do? They have a great program and I would never complain about a kid that gets extra time even though we are up by 30. We have a very successful program and even the kids that dont play a lot understand that, dont say things to hurt what they have built.
wow

Whitesboro, NY

#12 Nov 3, 2011
First off, when they realigned the leagues, Schoen made out. They are playing schools that are 1/2 their size, thats why I dont even watch the games. Its a joke. Play in the right division and they are 500, if that. Its like proctor playing new york mills, sickening. Also, politics and favorites is what its all about here. I know kids right now that wont play pop warner at all, because they arent good enough to be at a top position, but they know the modified and jv coaches, and they will play then and start and play.
Know a little

Rome, NY

#14 Nov 3, 2011
Coaches who play favorites and politics do not win. Whitesboro is the second largest A school, Proctor is second largest AA, Oneida is the second largest B, and Clinton is the largest C school... Why is whitesboro so successful compared to the others? Enrollment is not as important as you think. I do not understand your comment about pop Warner and modified/jv, most of the kids who play and start on modified/jv are way to big to play the levels of pop Warner offered....
Git Fiddle

Holland Patent, NY

#15 Nov 3, 2011
wow wrote:
First off, when they realigned the leagues, Schoen made out. They are playing schools that are 1/2 their size, thats why I dont even watch the games. Its a joke. Play in the right division and they are 500, if that. Its like proctor playing new york mills, sickening. Also, politics and favorites is what its all about here. I know kids right now that wont play pop warner at all, because they arent good enough to be at a top position, but they know the modified and jv coaches, and they will play then and start and play.
Varsity is about What?! Do you mean that we spend all that money to get a handful of kids ready for life? I think that our money would be better spent on something else that would benefit more kids, not just the chosen few.
Ditto

Syracuse, NY

#16 Nov 3, 2011
I know that baseball is political too. JV program was a joke. When a coach tells a kid, "That was not a team swing", something is wrong. My son made the team. Never saw the field, even in blowout wins or losses. I never teach my kids ( I coached for years) to walk away, but my son did. Couldn't deal with it any longer. He played summer ball and batted 460+. But wasn't good enough to even play an inning or 2 ? Unreal. CYO and summer ball. Best way to go. All kids get playing time, and winning is not the ultimate goal.
Tom Costello

Syracuse, NY

#18 Nov 3, 2011
It is true that W'boro has a excellent "feeder" program at the Pop Warner level.Both Whitestown & Marcy-Deerfield have excellent coaches. Football for the most part is a blue-collar sport and Whitesboro compared to NH or Clinton is a blue-collar town. If Whitesboro played in AA they would still be highly successful.Proctors best athletes don't even play sports or are academically ineligible same w/ RFA or any inner-city school. GO BIG BLUE!!!
Know a little wrote:
Coaches who play favorites and politics do not win. Whitesboro is the second largest A school, Proctor is second largest AA, Oneida is the second largest B, and Clinton is the largest C school... Why is whitesboro so successful compared to the others? Enrollment is not as important as you think. I do not understand your comment about pop Warner and modified/jv, most of the kids who play and start on modified/jv are way to big to play the levels of pop Warner offered....
david

Locke, NY

#19 Nov 3, 2011
Disappointed Fan wrote:
If any of you have been to any games this year you would see the god awful managing by the coaches. How can you consider them good coaches if they would risk hurting their best players in a game that means nothing. They have no thoughts or care for the other kids that stand the majority of the time on the sideline. It doesn't matter if the other kids aren't meant to be a quarterback or a running back. They work just as hard as the starters. And for you who said who gives a shit about bench players. Really? Do you have no heart or feelings for the teammates that make the starters better in practice each and every week. Who put their time in just as well as the starters do. It's totally unfair. I completely understand the win mentality, I played for wboro and graduated from there. but its pushed to a bit of an extreme when it comes to this school. A win is win, these coaches believe they must win by over 30 to call it a successful game. Another point i'd like to make is the choice of players who play. As someone mentioned Schoen only plays favorites, the whole high school sporting area is all politics and thats really a shame. As an alumni of the school I'd personally would of rather go to a school where politics aren't everything. A smaller school, actually have fun playing the game of football and enjoy my time in high school. Rather than stay at Whitesboro, work my ass off and all of it go for nothing because all the coaches have their blinders on and don't realize the effort given in practice. As a future parent, I will make sure my kids don't have to put up with a coach who's motto is win no matter what and with such a closed mind. Kids are only kids once, they only get to play high school football once. Give all the kids a chance especially when you have big leads. Be fair to the kids who give it 110% and give them a little in return even if they dont have the highest skill set. Be a high school football coach, not an nfl football coach.
you are totally wrong.i've haven't missed a game in 6 yrs. the best players play, no politics involved i dont have a kid in the program i dont always agree with schoen on things but this program went to the final four in states the last two years and i think the young coaches thet brought in had a lot to do with it especially off cord coach schmidt.
Seriously

Utica, NY

#20 Nov 3, 2011
Ditto wrote:
I know that baseball is political too. JV program was a joke. When a coach tells a kid, "That was not a team swing", something is wrong. My son made the team. Never saw the field, even in blowout wins or losses. I never teach my kids ( I coached for years) to walk away, but my son did. Couldn't deal with it any longer. He played summer ball and batted 460+. But wasn't good enough to even play an inning or 2 ? Unreal. CYO and summer ball. Best way to go. All kids get playing time, and winning is not the ultimate goal.
Was this at Whitesboro too? Seriously? Your child was on the team but never saw the field even in blowout games? I'd have to agree that a scenario like that is unreal. If a kid is capable of making the team I can't believe he isn't close enough in ability to the other kids to at least get an at-bat per game and a couple of innings. That is sad. I believe you...but it is sad!
why are you parents such

AOL

#21 Nov 3, 2011
OK so Our son, didnt play until Sr yr not because he was on the sidelines, but because he never went out for the team.... Sr yr he deceided to go out... he went from a newbie to 2nd string with in practice ONLY!!!! because he was GOOD he went on to play College ball, not to "make it in the NFL" but because he Loves the game.! Coach Schoen is a GREAT COACH, and thats NOT because of our son we W'boro...To this day all the coaches STILL KNOW him by NAME if they are in the bank,mall,post office does not matter they treat everyone equal, go and watch some of the kids who DONT GIVE 100% AT PRACTICE (THEY ARE OPEN TO WATCH) AND THEN ASK WHY THEY DONT PLAY!so stop ! and tell your lazy kid to START TO WORK HIS AZZ OFF maybe he'll see some playtime,insted of complaining about it....ask yourself maybe the apple dosent fall far from the tree!!!!!!!!!!Go BBWC
Disappointed Fan

Utica, NY

#22 Nov 3, 2011
david wrote:
<quoted text>you are totally wrong.i've haven't missed a game in 6 yrs. the best players play, no politics involved i dont have a kid in the program i dont always agree with schoen on things but this program went to the final four in states the last two years and i think the young coaches thet brought in had a lot to do with it especially off cord coach schmidt.
Are you honestly questioning me? I WENT to whitesboro. I played on the TEAM I know what goes on. How are you going to say there are no politics involved if you have no idea how the coaches coach but on gameday. All you see is a victory on the scoreboard and thats how you judge the coach, just like everyone else does and its pathetic. This is high school football. The only reason they make it to the final four is because they play schools that shouldn't even be in the same division as them. And every year when whitesboro plays a real football team they get beat. You wonder why they never win states. Its no surprise and they will never win states with Schoen coaching. And this is coming from a former player and student with siblings in the program right now. I know how it is, and I wont let some "fan" that goes to games and has no inside information tell me different.

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