Pot Busts Hit Shopkeepers Hardest

OVER GROW THE GOV wrote:

Mongo your probably a Hispanic that voted for GWB Yah like he give a f*&K about you hes a member of the KKK lynch en your ****. You need to smoke medicine and chill out you misinformed. Hey didn't missionaries enslave the natives and brain wash them, treating the children like prisoners the christians are the real child poisoners, enslaving people with their lies to dominate chistopher columbus was nothing more than a ****!!
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Nice try troll. If you ever looked at 1 post that Mongo has ever posted. You would know that no way would he vote for Pres Bush. It’s awesome that people can think for themselves and not vote solely on party lines. As for everything else you said, is a load of....well..you.

Watcher wrote:

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Medical Marijuana is a lie used by growers to make huge sums of money selling drugs mostly to kids.
There is nothing medical about the hundreds of poisons in pot smoke. I know this is true because as a carpenter I have been there when some of the biggest growers were all together laughing at how easy it is to get rich with just a couple of lies. Half of these growers don’t even smoke pot because it they say it f**ks then up to much.
I'll say it again. "Medical Marijuana" is a lie used by crooks to poison kids for cash.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

I 100% agree!!

Watcher wrote:

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Medical Marijuana is a lie used by growers to make huge sums of money selling drugs mostly to kids.
There is nothing medical about the hundreds of poisons in pot smoke. I know this is true because as a carpenter I have been there when some of the biggest growers were all together laughing at how easy it is to get rich with just a couple of lies. Half of these growers don’t even smoke pot because it they say it f**ks then up to much.
I'll say it again. "Medical Marijuana" is a lie used by crooks to poison kids for cash.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

Well, then as a carpenter you have no medical expertise or training and know next to nothing about medical marijuana or anything else involving health or medicine. Would you ask a carpenter for medical advice? I know I sure wouldn't; I would ask a doctor.

The medical community at large simply does not agree with your viewpoint. The medicinal benefits of marijuana are well documented and have been confirmed by literally hundreds of studies and thousands of scientist and doctors all across the globe. It is quite literally the safest drug known to man kind and is totally non-toxic and contains no poisons. Because of this it is now legal to consume and grow it for medical purposes - this is not going to change, ever.

Of course this does not fit into you extremely warped and limited view of the world, so you refuse to acknowledge these facts. The ironic thing is that by constantly perpetuating the same lies and mis-information over and over again you and the others like you make it impossible to have any sort of reasonable discussion on the subject.

The result of course, is 70 years of failed drug policy with no end of site, billions of wasted dollars, and the empowerment of the same criminal elements you claim to be fighting against. It is really quite sad and pathetic to see someone undermine their own cause so effectively.

Keep it up Watcher - the drug dealers are you biggest fans and supporters. After all, it is people like you who prevent us from ever making any real progress with the drug problems in our society.

Watcher wrote:

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I don't work for growers any more but as a carpenter I have been involved with helping many large and small growers start their businesses.

That would make you an accomplice and therefore a criminal. I guess it's OK for you to make money of the pot business, just not anyone else, right? Why don't you do us all a favor and go turn yourself in.

If it's for medical use, who need 600 plants of 6000 plants. If we make it legal for medical, why the f*** are people growing farms!

Put it in a pill

still hoping someone will give us the info on which downtown Ukiah businesses are closing up...

Think wrote:

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Actually, it was more in the 1-6 billion dollar range. No estimates form either State or Federal law enforcement have every come anywhere close to 15 billion - that's just you making up statistics again.
Here's one of the more recent estimates, from a document that came from John Wattenburger himself:
"Estimates of plant product range from ½ to over one pound per plant. The wholesale value can be estimated at between $2000 to $3500 per pound. Mendocino plant production has been estimated at between 1 to 1.8 million plants."
So at a half pound per plant, with 1 million plants and a price of $2,000 per pound that would be a little over 1 billion at the low end, and with 1 pound a plant, 1.8 million total plants, and a price of $3500 per pound that would be a little over 6 billion at the high end.
COMMET estimates that the marijuana that it does NOT seize accounts for 1.5 billion annually.
Pretty much any source for this information puts the actual value of marijuana being produced here between 10%-30% of what you claim.

I guess the pot growers pay you to lie for them otherwise it would mean that you are publicly exhibiting your stupidity for free.

$15 Billion was four years ago. It's far more than that now. It's OK you’re the only one that believes you’re propaganda anyway.

Think wrote:

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That would make you an accomplice and therefore a criminal. I guess it's OK for you to make money of the pot business, just not anyone else, right? Why don't you do us all a favor and go turn yourself in.

The above piece of garbage and $2.50 might get you a cup of coffee.

What you have just admitted to is that you are a criminal drug dealer.

Keep your ears open for the sound of police sirens.

Jimmy wrote:

If it's for medical use, who need 600 plants of 6000 plants. If we make it legal for medical, why the f*** are people growing farms!

The only reasons pot is so popular is because 1 it gets you high and 2 it makes the growers and dealers rich with mostly kids lunch money.

Think wrote:

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Well, then as a carpenter you have no medical expertise or training and know next to nothing about medical marijuana or anything else involving health or medicine. Would you ask a carpenter for medical advice? I know I sure wouldn't; I would ask a doctor.
The medical community at large simply does not agree with your viewpoint. The medicinal benefits of marijuana are well documented and have been confirmed by literally hundreds of studies and thousands of scientist and doctors all across the globe. It is quite literally the safest drug known to man kind and is totally non-toxic and contains no poisons. Because of this it is now legal to consume and grow it for medical purposes - this is not going to change, ever.
Of course this does not fit into you extremely warped and limited view of the world, so you refuse to acknowledge these facts. The ironic thing is that by constantly perpetuating the same lies and mis-information over and over again you and the others like you make it impossible to have any sort of reasonable discussion on the subject.
The result of course, is 70 years of failed drug policy with no end of site, billions of wasted dollars, and the empowerment of the same criminal elements you claim to be fighting against. It is really quite sad and pathetic to see someone undermine their own cause so effectively.
Keep it up Watcher - the drug dealers are you biggest fans and supporters. After all, it is people like you who prevent us from ever making any real progress with the drug problems in our society.

As an illegal drug dealer you have no medical expertise or training and know next to nothing about medical marijuana or anything else involving health or medicine.

The hundreds of poisonous carbon compounds and carcinogens in pot smoke are common knowledge.

Well, except for you.

Watcher wrote:

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I guess the pot growers pay you to lie for them otherwise it would mean that you are publicly exhibiting your stupidity for free.
$15 Billion was four years ago. It's far more than that now. It's OK you’re the only one that believes you’re propaganda anyway.

Oh, I see so now COMMET and the government are putting out pro-pot propaganda? Is there anyone who is not involved in your delusional marijuana conspiracy?

Watcher wrote:

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As an illegal drug dealer you have no medical expertise or training and know next to nothing about medical marijuana or anything else involving health or medicine.
The hundreds of poisonous carbon compounds and carcinogens in pot smoke are common knowledge.
Well, except for you.

My, my, are we a bit touchy that I pointed out that you admitted that you not only aided the criminals which you loath so much, but made money off them as well? Your utter and blatant hypocrisy never cease to amaze me, Watcher.

"In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care."

US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition.

So is the DEA part of the evil stoner plan to ruin our society as well? Does the pro-pot lobby even control the Federal Government in you dim little view of things?

The link between marijuana and cancer has also been disproved many times over. Here is an example of one of the many more recent studies that confirm that marijuana is not carcinogenic:

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use.... What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

Is this another one of your "evil" doctors, out to poison children and ruin innocent lives?

Do you even realize how much of a nut job you sound like, or does it just sort of spew out?

Watcher wrote:

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What you have just admitted to is that you are a criminal drug dealer.
Keep your ears open for the sound of police sirens.

How, exactly, is pointing out that you wrote in post #23 that you helped start several illegal businesses (ie DRUG FRONTS) for pot growers, admitting that I am a criminal? Aiding someone in an illegal activity, such as YOU apparently did, makes you guilty as well.

it is illegal if you belive Bush is god and Mccane is going to do any better.
Prohibition did not work, has not worked, and will not work.
Leagalize it and there will be less trouble from biggits and more tax to pay for bull shit from the goverment that thinks it needs to hold your hand.

Think wrote:

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It is quite literally the safest drug known to man kind and is totally non-toxic and contains no poisons.

Are you even aware of the HUNDREDS of chemicals that make up A SINGLE marijuana leaf???

Many these chemicals are extremely harmful...they equate smoking one joint to smoking an entire pack of cigarettes...why?
Because MANY of the harmful chemicals in MJ are also found in cigarettes.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/...

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marij...

http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/ma...

It may be natural, but so are oleander bushes.
And, the pesticides and fertilizers used in much of pot production add to the list of harmful chemicals.

Why put smoke (in general) into your lungs, which are some of the most delicate organs in your body? If you truly respect yourself, don't poison your body.

*shakes head*

Linnea wrote:

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Are you even aware of the HUNDREDS of chemicals that make up A SINGLE marijuana leaf???
Many these chemicals are extremely harmful...they equate smoking one joint to smoking an entire pack of cigarettes...why?
Because MANY of the harmful chemicals in MJ are also found in cigarettes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/...
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marij...
http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/ma...
It may be natural, but so are oleander bushes.
And, the pesticides and fertilizers used in much of pot production add to the list of harmful chemicals.
Why put smoke (in general) into your lungs, which are some of the most delicate organs in your body? If you truly respect yourself, don't poison your body.
*shakes head*

Are you even aware of the HUNDREDS of chemicals that make up A SINGLE marijuana leaf???
Many these chemicals are extremely harmful...they equate smoking one joint to smoking an entire pack of cigarettes...why?
Because MANY of the harmful chemicals in MJ are also found in cigarettes.

This is quite true and the collection of chemicals increases in number several fold and gets over 50 times worse when pot is put through the process of combustion.(Smoked)

Linnea wrote:

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Are you even aware of the HUNDREDS of chemicals that make up A SINGLE marijuana leaf???
Many these chemicals are extremely harmful...they equate smoking one joint to smoking an entire pack of cigarettes...why?
Because MANY of the harmful chemicals in MJ are also found in cigarettes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/...
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marij...
http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/ma...
It may be natural, but so are oleander bushes.
And, the pesticides and fertilizers used in much of pot production add to the list of harmful chemicals.
Why put smoke (in general) into your lungs, which are some of the most delicate organs in your body? If you truly respect yourself, don't poison your body.
*shakes head*

There are hundreds of chemicals in EVERYTHING we consume - so what's our point? Despite marijuana having some of the same chemicals as tobacco not ONE case of cancer has EVER been DIRECTLY linked to marijuana smoke. Most likely this is due to the anti-carcinogenic properties of certain chemicals produced by cannabis, but more study is needed at this point. In addition, if you actually looked at ONLY real study you posted (the one by David Moir) it states that many of these same compounds were LOWER than with tobacco smoke. Ammonium and a few others were the only ones found in higher concentrations.

Also, there are many ways to consume marijuana that do not involve smoking it, such as vaporization, tinctures and edibles. This crucial fact is something that you and the other anti-medical people continue to ignore. In fact, the FDA has endorsed vaporized marijuana and has allowed clinical trials of it:

Dr. Donald Abrams of the University of California at San Francisco has been leading up the study. Here's some of what they've found so far:

"Marijuana vapors produced by the Volcano vaporizer were found to consist overwhelmingly of THC, and contained only minute amounts (less than 5 percent) of a suspected carcinogen, according to a gas chromatography mass spectrometer (GCMS) analysis of the vapor... The respiratory hazards of marijuana smoke are due to toxic byproducts of combustion, not the active ingredients of the plant, known as cannabinoids."

Every drug or chemical or consumable products can cause harm when used improperly or excessively - it doesn't matter if it's coffee, aspirin, zanax, McDonalds food, or plain old milk.

So, explain to me why there is such a double standard for marijuana, which has been proven time and again to be safer than all of the above products, and has numerous medical benefits.

Watcher wrote:

"Pot Busts Hit Shopkeepers Hardest"
Most of the pot that’s grown ends up being sold to kids ergo; most of the money that comes from selling pot comes from kids. Having businesses that rely upon the poisoning of kids and destruction of their educations to stay in businesses is a bad thing.
The entire argument that illegal drug money is helping our business community is bogus. Another way that pot money hurts businesses is that it's impossible to find employees because growers pay from $20.00 to $30.00 an hour for clipping. Most businesses cant even come close to paying anywhere near this amount.
Huge sums of illegal drug money in this area also cause local inflation to skyrocket. Many local stores are charging prices that are twice as much as you would pay in Santa Rosa because there are so many growers and they know the growers will pay it. This puts a serious squeeze on all the locals who choose not to make millions by poisoning kids with illegal drugs.
Pot growers will pay way more for a piece of property than it's worth because they think they’re going to make millions by growing pot on it.
There are only a hand full of businesses that make money from the pot industry. If your a Nursery, Hydroponics shop or one of the few favorite hangouts of the growers, Then your raking in the cash, but most others can't afford to stay in business because of this local inflation.

You are an idiot! Kids don't have money! You really expect people to believe kids are using the zillion lbs of pot grown in the US? You pull your facts from your butt!! Your a liar, who hurts the pro B movement. NONE of what you write is true. From the rest of us who really want to re-claim our county: SHUT UP! your false facts and absurd writings set the movement back...I can see why you've been accused of being a dope grower...although the odds your smart enough to be a crook is slim.
FACTs: All residence of Mendocino county have profited from Marijuana whether voluntary or not. Gas prices have increased prices nationwide. Kids don't have money so they cant buy massive amounts of pot. MONGO IS A LIAR!!

Think wrote:

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Also, there are many ways to consume marijuana that do not involve smoking it, such as vaporization, tinctures and edibles. This crucial fact is something that you and the other anti-medical people continue to ignore.

Apparently you failed to notice that I was specifically talking about SMOKING marijuana.

I am aware that there are other ways of taking in the substance, and I think they are less harmful than inhalation.

Btw, were any studies done on the effects of marijuana on the intestinal lining (or any of the internal organs?

I'm curious to see if ingestion leads to an increased cancer risk