Tiger basketball hope offseason work leads to success

The Alamogordo boys basketball team came just short of making the Class 5A state tournament last season. Full Story
old school

Alamogordo, NM

#181 May 23, 2012
happylol wrote:
Get Billy hays or joseph Cutts to coach.
Hayes was a good coach at MVMS middle school league
Madden gone is great news I hear coach Isler ex Clivis Coach might go after the job so is the Tuli coach and many more
now what

Alamogordo, NM

#182 May 23, 2012
wow wrote:
<quoted text>don't go there Madden had his fair share 6 years is a long time and he ran it down.. It's a good thing for Alamo bring that Tiger pride back.......
Don't go where? All I said is the truth! I never said he was a good coach, I said you better hope we get a better coach and not a worse one. Nobody knows who is gonna get the job, & whoever it is will surely be run out of town in a few years, like every other coach has been.
Rat Killa

Lawrence, MA

#183 May 24, 2012
now what wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't go where? All I said is the truth! I never said he was a good coach, I said you better hope we get a better coach and not a worse one. Nobody knows who is gonna get the job, & whoever it is will surely be run out of town in a few years, like every other coach has been.
Coach Day was not run out of town, he left because he got tired of LJ's crap. The next person that needs to go is LJ. Then we need an AD with vision.
Disgusted

United States

#184 May 24, 2012
Best news we could hear wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should look at the BIG picture and see how he handled the situations that came up the past couple years. Had a little alcohol issue on the bus the season before this last year and then a couple attitudes that he looked past the year previous to that. What else do you want. Oh, and before I forget, what about the multiple times he got some grades changed for his athletes? What kind of coach does that. A real coach would hold the athletes accountable and make them work to be on the team, not let them off easy. I believe he actually muttered the phrase "I am only here temporarily, this is your town" at one of the Tiget Basketball parents meetings 3-4 years ago when my boy played. Will be better next year I can already feel it.
I know the BIG picture. I also know Madden is taking all the heat when there is more than enough blame to go around. Let's start with the grades. Does Madden have the "power" to change players grades all by himself? NO. In order for the grade to be changed he would have to have the help of the teacher or an administrator. As for the alcohol incident, where are the parents? Should they not bear some responsibility for holding their child(ren) accountable? YES. Also, let's not pretend Madden is the first coach these kind of incidents, and worse, have happened under. Let's also not pretend he's not the first coach to be run out by parents who think their kids are better athletes than they really are. Seriously, three winning seasons and then losing seasons...same coach but different players.
Disgusted

United States

#185 May 24, 2012
Outside Observer wrote:
There are those in Alamogordo that will feel like Madden was a victim and did not get a fair shot . If you fit into that category, answer this. Even though he treated your son good, did he treat all other sons the same? If your son played a lot because he was a stud, did he get the same punishment for mistakes on and off the floor as less talented kids? Did he respect all his kids equallly. Did he or LJ deal with discipline evenly and fairly, or were the better athletes protected? And finally!!
Is six losing seasons in a row(EVERY season) enough for a coach to prove he is capable of building a program? Did they get better every year , or WORSE? Did Madden do enough to justify keeping him for another six years? At what point would Alamogordo fans desire a winning program? Because, if they do , ar would have in the future at some point, how fair would it have been to Madden to keep him there?
Two of the biggest advocates to get rid of Madden were the parents of one of his starting seniors, who had more playing time than anybody.
Alamogordo had several winning seasons under Geyer, but that didn't keep the crybaby parents from screwing him over and running him out either. Keep setting this kind of precedant and Alamogordo will have a hell of a time filling coaching positions.
OMG

Chandler, AZ

#186 May 24, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>Two of the biggest advocates to get rid of Madden were the parents of one of his starting seniors, who had more playing time than anybody.
Alamogordo had several winning seasons under Geyer, but that didn't keep the crybaby parents from screwing him over and running him out either. Keep setting this kind of precedant and Alamogordo will have a hell of a time filling coaching positions.
I can tell you are upset, believe me when I tell you he had no skills to be a bball coach he never practiced with his athletes he could not shoot show defense moves and I can go on and on.
I'm so pleased that the new super Int did something about the situation that went on for to long!!!!!
Trust me we will have a big pool of Coaches applying for the 5A head basketball position!!!!!!
Outside Observer

Santa Fe, NM

#187 May 24, 2012
Disgusted, I understand your position. I was close to the Geyer situation, and can tell you firsthand that it was a witch hunt with an agenda. I felt the same way about Gary Chapman being stripped of his girl's program. But I do not see this as the same situation. The mere fact that Madden was hired smelled of an agenda. As I have said before, there were better candidates, proven, and with much more experience. Madden's leaving the program was not a firing, but a decision in his and the program's best interest.

I see your argument as one in support of Madden. I assume you believe that he could have and should have stayed. What would have resulted if he had chosen to stay? Do you believe , that in his seventh season , the program would have turned the corner? Alamogordo basketball has not been competitive under Madden. I saw this coming when making the field of SIXTEEN and getting blown out at some other site became acceptable, and "Qualifying" with a losing record was also. If there were a true comparison to Geyer's program, when only district champ was in , and second had a regional game, then Madden's program would have been without post season play every season. He was not the only one at fault, but there was enough evidence that he is not the man to get the program back on top. That is the reality. The other option was to continue in hopes that it would just happen, or continue to accept the last six years of reality. I wish him well, and so should others. But I look forward to LJ's next move, and hope that it is based on other criteria than in the past.
Alamo Alum

United States

#188 May 24, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the BIG picture. I also know Madden is taking all the heat when there is more than enough blame to go around. Let's start with the grades. Does Madden have the "power" to change players grades all by himself? NO. In order for the grade to be changed he would have to have the help of the teacher or an administrator. As for the alcohol incident, where are the parents? Should they not bear some responsibility for holding their child(ren) accountable? YES. Also, let's not pretend Madden is the first coach these kind of incidents, and worse, have happened under. Let's also not pretend he's not the first coach to be run out by parents who think their kids are better athletes than they really are. Seriously, three winning seasons and then losing seasons...same coach but different players.
So you are saying its ok for the teachers to change the grades Madden wanted changed? Are you serious? There isn't a teacher in that school that would change a grade for a student to make it look good on their own, only after Madden asked to get it changed. There was one player in particular that hasn't been eligible since MS, and he would get his grades changed. What does that tell you? The alcohol incident happened on a school sponsored trip and Madden was in charge, so he and LJ should have done something to the players that brought the stuff on the bus. But what did they do? They tried to suspend a kid that admitted to drinking some, but wouldn't suspend the kids that this kid said he got it from. WHy was that? Because they were his stars!!! I for one thinks this is a great move the school did and Tiger basketball can go nowhere but up from here.
now what

Surprise, AZ

#189 May 24, 2012
Rat Killa wrote:
<quoted text>Coach Day was not run out of town, he left because he got tired of LJ's crap. The next person that needs to go is LJ. Then we need an AD with vision.
Now that I will agree, LJ should have been gone a long time ago.
Disgusted

United States

#190 May 24, 2012
I'm not saying he should stay or go, I'm saying the way the whole thing came about was shady. A lot of backstabbing went into the whole situation and all because a handful of parents were not happy. this is not the first time this has happened, and I think it is safe to say it won't be the last. What coach would want to come into a situation like this and not think 3, 4, or 6 years into the future it will be happening to them? Most of the people involoved have been trying to get rid of Madden since day one - without giving him a fair shot. If these parents were truly concerned about the program(s), they wouldn't have run Geyer, Chapman and Warren out of jobs. I didn't see anyone in a rush to get rid of Stockton and he was a poor excuse for a coach.
Outside Observer

Santa Fe, NM

#191 May 24, 2012
Stockton's coaching hire was purely political, but it was short lived. I still do not see where you don't think Madden was not given a fair chance. Disgusted, this is nothing like Geyer or Chapman. Please explain how it is? Madden had six losing seasons in SIX years. He had numerous incidents that were swept under the rug with the help of LJ. He got more than a fair chance when he was hired. If you can tell me what grounds he was hired on, and that you knew the other applicants and why they were not hired: If you can tell me in what season his program did well( and going into a sixteen team tournament as a fourth or fifth place team in the district, with a losing record, does not count): If you can tell me when they got better the following season: If you can tell me that he disciplined kids evenly, and treated them equally, then yea, he got screwed. If not , then he was overdue.
Curious

United States

#192 May 25, 2012
I'm relatively new to the area but I keep up with the local high school sports somewhat so I'm curious, if part of the reason for firing Madden is because of the mulitple losing seasons, why is it that other coaches who have had numerous losing seasons are not being terminated as well? If memory serves me correctly the Alamo soccer and football teams have not faired well either in recent years, but those coaches jobs do not seem to be in jeopardy.
To Alamo Alum,
I may be wrong, and Disgusted please correct me if I am, but I don't think 'disgusted' is condoning the changing of grades for anyone. I think the point is that regardless of whether Madden requested the grade change or not, the teacher in question still had the ability to decline. Ultimately, yes it is wrong IF such a request was made; however, the teacher who changed the grade is just as accountable for the action as the coach who made the request.
OMG

Alamogordo, NM

#193 May 25, 2012
Curious wrote:
I'm relatively new to the area but I keep up with the local high school sports somewhat so I'm curious, if part of the reason for firing Madden is because of the mulitple losing seasons, why is it that other coaches who have had numerous losing seasons are not being terminated as well? If memory serves me correctly the Alamo soccer and football teams have not faired well either in recent years, but those coaches jobs do not seem to be in jeopardy.
To Alamo Alum,
I may be wrong, and Disgusted please correct me if I am, but I don't think 'disgusted' is condoning the changing of grades for anyone. I think the point is that regardless of whether Madden requested the grade change or not, the teacher in question still had the ability to decline. Ultimately, yes it is wrong IF such a request was made; however, the teacher who changed the grade is just as accountable for the action as the coach who made the request.
most people will never know what kind of person coach Madden really was I can tell you it's good the school super took notice and action.
It was best for the athletes and basketball program .
Tiger Pride

Albuquerque, NM

#194 May 25, 2012
Sounds like Disgusted is Madden's hoochie mama.
BIG J

Albuquerque, NM

#195 May 25, 2012
Outside Observer wrote:
Disgusted, I understand your position. I was close to the Geyer situation, and can tell you firsthand that it was a witch hunt with an agenda. I felt the same way about Gary Chapman being stripped of his girl's program. But I do not see this as the same situation. The mere fact that Madden was hired smelled of an agenda. As I have said before, there were better candidates, proven, and with much more experience. Madden's leaving the program was not a firing, but a decision in his and the program's best interest.
I see your argument as one in support of Madden. I assume you believe that he could have and should have stayed. What would have resulted if he had chosen to stay? Do you believe , that in his seventh season , the program would have turned the corner? Alamogordo basketball has not been competitive under Madden. I saw this coming when making the field of SIXTEEN and getting blown out at some other site became acceptable, and "Qualifying" with a losing record was also. If there were a true comparison to Geyer's program, when only district champ was in , and second had a regional game, then Madden's program would have been without post season play every season. He was not the only one at fault, but there was enough evidence that he is not the man to get the program back on top. That is the reality. The other option was to continue in hopes that it would just happen, or continue to accept the last six years of reality. I wish him well, and so should others. But I look forward to LJ's next move, and hope that it is based on other criteria than in the past.
How about coach Geary?
Outside Observer

Santa Fe, NM

#196 May 25, 2012
Big J, he would be a consideration if I were on the committee. There will be outside applicants, and probably some that have experienced some success. It will be interesting to see who applies, or if the process will be pre-determined.
You and I have exchanged conversation over the basketball program many times, and I have agreed with you on some issues. I would like to clarify one. I do believe that there is a level of talent that is here in Alamogordo that could be developed individually, and structured in such a fashion that would rely upon team play. I have always viewed the problem from a perspective that is exclusive of the kids. We do have some kids , and have had in the past, who are coddled and led to believe that they are stars. A few might be. But the change necessary will have to come from the very top. It starts with an administration that treats every student the same. It requires that the administration seek excellence in all its programs, academic and athletic, vocational and band, and everything in between. Raising the bar instead of lowering it, requires discipline and demand, a great work ethic, and true leadership.
Change requires that the community rids itself of the notion that Alamo cannot compete. We do not lack athletes, and our school is big enough to compete at any level. When we hung banners before, those same schools were bigger than us. Of course , if the administration, school personnel and parents do not believe, it won't matter about the community.
But in the end, the Head Coach needs to be a strong personality, because more than likely, for him to do his job and succeed , he will have to battle this current administration on lots of issues. Character and discipline count, but he has to get his kids to buy into a system, no matter what kind. If he can't show the kids that he knows the game, and can't teach them what to do, if he doesn't treat them equally, and apply discipline evenly, they eventually will quit on him. But, if he can, they will run through a brick wall for him, and eventually, Alamo will win.
Interested also

Santa Fe, NM

#197 May 25, 2012
Curious wrote:
I'm relatively new to the area but I keep up with the local high school sports somewhat so I'm curious, if part of the reason for firing Madden is because of the mulitple losing seasons, why is it that other coaches who have had numerous losing seasons are not being terminated as well? If memory serves me correctly the Alamo soccer and football teams have not faired well either in recent years, but those coaches jobs do not seem to be in jeopardy.
To Alamo Alum,
I may be wrong, and Disgusted please correct me if I am, but I don't think 'disgusted' is condoning the changing of grades for anyone. I think the point is that regardless of whether Madden requested the grade change or not, the teacher in question still had the ability to decline. Ultimately, yes it is wrong IF such a request was made; however, the teacher who changed the grade is just as accountable for the action as the coach who made the request.
I agree. Look at our football program. Why on earth would they bring this coach back year after year, and play after play, the same thing. Sounds like maybe he has friends in high places, like the Principal of the High School whos husband is the defensive coach.
OMG

Alamogordo, NM

#198 May 25, 2012
Interested also wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. Look at our football program. Why on earth would they bring this coach back year after year, and play after play, the same thing. Sounds like maybe he has friends in high places, like the Principal of the High School whos husband is the defensive coach.
yeap Standefer need to be let go also.
BIG J

Cedar Crest, NM

#199 May 31, 2012
Outside Observer wrote:
Big J, he would be a consideration if I were on the committee. There will be outside applicants, and probably some that have experienced some success. It will be interesting to see who applies, or if the process will be pre-determined.
You and I have exchanged conversation over the basketball program many times, and I have agreed with you on some issues. I would like to clarify one. I do believe that there is a level of talent that is here in Alamogordo that could be developed individually, and structured in such a fashion that would rely upon team play. I have always viewed the problem from a perspective that is exclusive of the kids. We do have some kids , and have had in the past, who are coddled and led to believe that they are stars. A few might be. But the change necessary will have to come from the very top. It starts with an administration that treats every student the same. It requires that the administration seek excellence in all its programs, academic and athletic, vocational and band, and everything in between. Raising the bar instead of lowering it, requires discipline and demand, a great work ethic, and true leadership.
Change requires that the community rids itself of the notion that Alamo cannot compete. We do not lack athletes, and our school is big enough to compete at any level. When we hung banners before, those same schools were bigger than us. Of course , if the administration, school personnel and parents do not believe, it won't matter about the community.
But in the end, the Head Coach needs to be a strong personality, because more than likely, for him to do his job and succeed , he will have to battle this current administration on lots of issues. Character and discipline count, but he has to get his kids to buy into a system, no matter what kind. If he can't show the kids that he knows the game, and can't teach them what to do, if he doesn't treat them equally, and apply discipline evenly, they eventually will quit on him. But, if he can, they will run through a brick wall for him, and eventually, Alamo will win.
Ok you covinced me......Ill apply for the job! LOL!
Outside Observer

Santa Fe, NM

#200 Jun 4, 2012
Big J, I would not hesitate to include you as well, but I am not making the decisions. I hope for that kind of guy. How is the hunt going for a new coach, and what names have you heard? How are the kids fairing in this off season?

I would like to reiterate the although we have not seen eye to eye on some points of this coaching argument, I do believe that your best interests are sincere, for both your son and the program. I also believe that of others who have both agreed and disagreed with both you and I. Let us all agree that the next coach should be one that places the kids, all of them , first.

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