Shrader made living in sales, not artifacts

I have been asking why intelligent, good folks will knowingly break the law with artifacts, when the would not do so with any other situation.
Addiction is the thing in this system. Take gambling addiction and replace it with artifact hunting and it all fits.
The getting busted forced him to face the wrong he was doing and ignoring to look for artifacts.
Folks for some reason will knowingly break the law to get artifacts, when they would avoid speeding. It is not about the money, it is the thrill of the find.
It is a shame that any one died over such things.

May he rest in peace.

If you're out in the field in S.E. Utah, an area with the highest concentration of Anasazi ruins, you're not hunting arrowheads. It's all about pottery up there, Anasazi pottery at that and the Feds take it very seriously if you're caught.

Ah who cares about artifacts, so boring. Too bad this guy who seemed like a good person had to take his life over this.

Uprise wrote:

Ah who cares about artifacts, so boring. Too bad this guy who seemed like a good person had to take his life over this.

to the brain dead.

Milt's wife: Those who really have a genuine interest in prehistory and history do care less about the 'stuff' like pots, and more about the larger questions regarding patterns of human activity in the past throughout the world.

The crapola is abandonded property. Why does the gov't outlaw such? If the indians want it let them quit drinking and go get the junk themselves.

I'm no expert but how do you manage to shoot yourself in the chest twice? Without help that is.

It is so wrong to desecrate the graves of the native american and to do so for just money is even more wrong. I do not feel sorry for these people that did that . the Goverment had the right response. when it is a black drug dealer or a hispaniccriminal they get the same responce so what was wrong with the response? was it beacuse the are anglo and they should be treated with kid gloves? no they should be treated the same. I bet they didn't slam them to the pavement or up against a wall like they would have had they been black or hispanic. and yes the response was correct. out west the anglo culture has a tendecy to have many weapons in there compounds .they hate the goverment and will shot on site. so yes the response was correct if not a little light handed because they were anglos.

"it is abonded" how would you like it if a bunch of hispanics and a bunch of native americans decided to make money on digging up your relatives in the local cemetary .it is abondoned so do that make it right to dig up remains and sell them. no.that is ghoulish and down right non christian. as for the indians drings thank you fore fathers for bring that posion to the west. it is ignorance like yours that keep things like happening all the time. you have no culture or spiritality,no feeling about outher peoples culture. the natives leve it because that is there culture to do that and i guess it is your culture that likes to grave rob. bet your parents are real proud of you.

What a terrible, terrible end. How can a little dabbling in illegal artifacts, even with firm penalties, be worth someone's life?

But then read Hillerman: Thief of Time, of course, and Dance Hall of the Dead. Even writers of fiction employ fact.

These arrow head collectors should go back to europe and go dig up some knight or damsel junk.
They sure don't have no respect for Americans.

G Lyon wrote:

"it is abonded" how would you like it if a bunch of hispanics and a bunch of native americans decided to make money on digging up your relatives in the local cemetary .it is abondoned so do that make it right to dig up remains and sell them. no.that is ghoulish and down right non christian. as for the indians drings thank you fore fathers for bring that posion to the west. it is ignorance like yours that keep things like happening all the time. you have no culture or spiritality,no feeling about outher peoples culture. the natives leve it because that is there culture to do that and i guess it is your culture that likes to grave rob. bet your parents are real proud of you.

Orale.. call me mayne

There are religious people in this world that belong to different religions; however, that does not necessarily mzke them spiritual people.

Even pot hunting and or grave robbing is about the hunt and the thrill of the find, Euphoria.
An addiction all of this is. See what it would cost you to go and find a pot. It is not about the money like them Archeologist think. Has been going on long before archeology existed.
Strange thing them archeologist, trained to dig and find patterns,(context); and then look at the behavior from them patterns, yet can not even describe a grave robber, pot hunter, or arrowhead hunter. Looters as they call them.
The pattern is there if they would just look.
Not an excuse, it is still unlawful on federal lands without a permit

Enough with the government terrifying people. Doesn't matter what color you are. They can just seize the pot shards, it's not like anyone was in real danger. They literally frightened this man to death. Macho crap.

fine for the gov't to dig up sites and pay people to do it. Like egyptian sites etc. but they need to protect the Americans, that left over alcohol might contaminate the clean air!

Why wrote:

Even pot hunting and or grave robbing is about the hunt and the thrill of the find, Euphoria.
An addiction all of this is. See what it would cost you to go and find a pot. It is not about the money like them Archeologist think. Has been going on long before archeology existed.
Strange thing them archeologist, trained to dig and find patterns,(context); and then look at the behavior from them patterns, yet can not even describe a grave robber, pot hunter, or arrowhead hunter. Looters as they call them.
The pattern is there if they would just look.
Not an excuse, it is still unlawful on federal lands without a permit

filosofy. Them looters iz losers.

Now its wrote:

fine for the gov't to dig up sites and pay people to do it. Like egyptian sites etc. but they need to protect the Americans, that left over alcohol might contaminate the clean air!

racist troll.

The problem is that we have no sense of place and no respect for anything we don't understand or agree with even if we know little. Take for example putting a road through the Petroglyph National Monument. It is a sacred site still in use, conversely if one wanted to put a road through a church, the outcry would be huge. But those folks living on the west side could care less. The history of the west was vibrant and complex before the Spanish or Anglos came out here primarily to plunder. We have never stopped plundering..because "we" have god on our side. Our beliefs are no more important than those of the Native Americans and I would offer that just perhaps we could actually learn from them. "We should take time to acquaint ourselves with the rich history that schools still do not teach and take a step toward stewardship of our history.
I think that those who committed suicide, had perhaps more to hide that the feds know and that was an admission of guilt!

Protect the stuff, but respect all living people.

Non-violent crimes are still crimes, but cops need to shift gears. Better yet, develop specially-trained antiquities enforcers. This is not a job for typical law enforcement.

As to this man--more than likely he had other very deep-seeded psychological problems, doncha think?