West Frankfort Police Department & Chief

Does anyone have knowledge of this document that Police Chief Tharp has acquired from the Franklin County Housing Authority that dissallows individuals from being present on the Franklin County Housing Authirity property? Has Police Chief Tharp and his crew been using this document to arrest/harrass anybody?

Corruption stomper wrote:

Does anyone have knowledge of this document that Police Chief Tharp has acquired from the Franklin County Housing Authority that dissallows individuals from being present on the Franklin County Housing Authirity property? Has Police Chief Tharp and his crew been using this document to arrest/harrass anybody?

You have got to be kidding me.....you must have been one that was either arrested or told to leave the property of the Franklin County housing. The document you speak of was not "acquired" by Chief Tharp.....It is a list of individuals that have been barred from the Franklin County Housing property. This list is completed by the Franklin County Housing authority then it is dispursed to all law enforcement in the county....not just Chief Tharp. Hope that answers your question!!!!!!

I'm sorry, no I'm not the one who was arrested but I have seen this paper and it certainly does not look like a list to me. So, do you know of another document or technique that he may be using?

Please wrote:

<quoted text> You have got to be kidding me.....you must have been one that was either arrested or told to leave the property of the Franklin County housing. The document you speak of was not "acquired" by Chief Tharp.....It is a list of individuals that have been barred from the Franklin County Housing property. This list is completed by the Franklin County Housing authority then it is dispursed to all law enforcement in the county....not just Chief Tharp. Hope that answers your question!!!!!!

Also, the arrested individual spoken of is not on this so called list.

Please wrote:

<quoted text> You have got to be kidding me.....you must have been one that was either arrested or told to leave the property of the Franklin County housing. The document you speak of was not "acquired" by Chief Tharp.....It is a list of individuals that have been barred from the Franklin County Housing property. This list is completed by the Franklin County Housing authority then it is dispursed to all law enforcement in the county....not just Chief Tharp. Hope that answers your question!!!!!!

Corruption stomper wrote:

Also, the arrested individual spoken of is not on this so called list.<quoted text>

Then I would say that the arrested person commited some other offence that warranted them to be arrested....ie being a convicted felon or a sex offender or possibly having an op against them are some reasons to mention. And your probally not going to get the truth from the arrested on why they were arrested anyway.....look them up on judici.com to see why they got arrested. And furthermore dont know what document you were looking at but I suspect that is was something that was fabricated by a some idiot on the street.

None of the above! And what's funny, I can't get the open to the public "arrest reports" without an attorney either, Tharp's policy....Not Statutory.

Please wrote:

<quoted text> Then I would say that the arrested person commited some other offence that warranted them to be arrested....ie being a convicted felon or a sex offender or possibly having an op against them are some reasons to mention. And your probally not going to get the truth from the arrested on why they were arrested anyway.....look them up on judici.com to see why they got arrested. And furthermore dont know what document you were looking at but I suspect that is was something that was fabricated by a some idiot on the street.

Also, the document could not have been fabricated it is signed by the director of the housing authority herself and one of the WFPD officers. The officer told me himself that he signed it.

Please wrote:

<quoted text> Then I would say that the arrested person commited some other offence that warranted them to be arrested....ie being a convicted felon or a sex offender or possibly having an op against them are some reasons to mention. And your probally not going to get the truth from the arrested on why they were arrested anyway.....look them up on judici.com to see why they got arrested. And furthermore dont know what document you were looking at but I suspect that is was something that was fabricated by a some idiot on the street.

NOW, for anyone who truly has any knowledge of this document, I look forward to hearing from you.

Corruption stomper wrote:

None of the above! And what's funny, I can't get the open to the public "arrest reports" without an attorney either, Tharp's policy....Not Statutory.<quoted text>

Corruption stomper wrote:

NOW, for anyone who truly has any knowledge of this document, I look forward to hearing from you.<quoted text>

if the officer told you that he signed it then the document was valid and the officer had good reason to sign the form.....anyway Tharp has his own problems he has to deal with he doesnt need to fabricat a form or come up with a reason for one of his police officers to arrest someone for no reason. Maybe you should take a online law class to become versed on law. And once again look at the web address i mentioned.....you will get the information that you need on any arrest or charges filed that is public record.....thats all you need. If nothing is there then no charges were filed.....you dont need an attorney for that....just a computer.

No. 1 I am very familiar with Judici.com . No. 2 I'm not interested in an online law course. No. 3 I did not say fabricate a document, you did. No. 4 I did not say Court records, I said arrest records. Thank you for your....(?).

Please wrote:

<quoted text> if the officer told you that he signed it then the document was valid and the officer had good reason to sign the form.....anyway Tharp has his own problems he has to deal with he doesnt need to fabricat a form or come up with a reason for one of his police officers to arrest someone for no reason. Maybe you should take a online law class to become versed on law. And once again look at the web address i mentioned.....you will get the information that you need on any arrest or charges filed that is public record.....thats all you need. If nothing is there then no charges were filed.....you dont need an attorney for that....just a computer.

Corruption stomper wrote:

No. 1 I am very familiar with Judici.com . No. 2 I'm not interested in an online law course. No. 3 I did not say fabricate a document, you did. No. 4 I did not say Court records, I said arrest records. Thank you for your....(?).<quoted text>

judici.com is arrest records for the public.....thats all you need to complete you investigation unless your an attorney and going to prosecute a case.

Generally, police reports are not part of the public domain as are court records. To get copies of report you have to file a FOIA request and site a specific reason as how the public would benefit from the knowledge gleaned from said report(s). So, no, Chief Tharp did not have to provide a copy of an arrest report to you. As far as a Housing Authority list barring individuals from Authority property, there is such a list and it is compiled by the Authority and sent to all area law enforcement agencies. As far as an officer signing off on it, that might be were an individual was served with notice they are no longer to be on Authority property and such a return could result in their arrest for Criminal Trespass.

Just so you know wrote:

Generally, police reports are not part of the public domain as are court records. To get copies of report you have to file a FOIA request and site a specific reason as how the public would benefit from the knowledge gleaned from said report(s). So, no, Chief Tharp did not have to provide a copy of an arrest report to you. As far as a Housing Authority list barring individuals from Authority property, there is such a list and it is compiled by the Authority and sent to all area law enforcement agencies. As far as an officer signing off on it, that might be were an individual was served with notice they are no longer to be on Authority property and such a return could result in their arrest for Criminal Trespass.

Thank You.....now maybe "Corruption Stomper" has a clear understanding why his/her friend was arrested and or harrassed by the police. As we all know most of the common public are really misunderstood.......lol!!!!!!! !

Misunderstood, I'ld say!!! The arrest records are not my original concern. Yes they are of added concern but at this time that is not the information that I a seeking. And I am sorry, I do not have a clear understanding of why these individuals are being issued these documents when their names do not appear on this list with the Housing Authority. And as far as "Corruption Stomper" goes this is an identity that I was using in another forum that carried over when I started this one, and, I appologize for any misunderstanding. I'm not saying Tharp is corrupt if that is your concern, but I am saying that I do not understand his actions. Arrest Reports are approximately $5.00 and to my understanding concidered public record at any other Police Station and I have not found any other that carry the document that I am speeking of. I am looking for any one else who may have received one of these docuemnts and would like to know the circumstances that surrounded their receiving this document. Thank you very much for you concern.

Uknown wrote:

<quoted text> Thank You.....now maybe "Corruption Stomper" has a clear understanding why his/her friend was arrested and or harrassed by the police. As we all know most of the common public are really misunderstood.......lol!!!!!!! !

I wish to thank you very much for your input, it may prove to be very helpful. However, certain records are made part of the public domain by the following statute:
(5 ILCS 160/3)(from Ch. 116, par. 43.6)
Sec. 3. Records as property of State.
(a) All records created or received by or under the authority of or coming into the custody, control, or possession of public officials of this State in the course of their public duties are the property of the State. These records may not be mutilated, destroyed, transferred, removed, or otherwise damaged or disposed of, in whole or in part, except as provided by law. Any person shall have the right of access to any public records, unless access to the records is otherwise limited or prohibited by law.
Again, thank you for your input, but, my concerns lay more with this document that to my understanding Tharp or WFPD has acquired and is using to bar individuals from the Franklin County Housing Authority property and then subsequently arresting them. I have been told that the individuals names that I am talking about do not appear on the list with the Franklin County Housing Authority. I believe that I have found three of these individuals and I am looking for any body else who may have received one of these documents. If possible I would like to know why this is happening. I'm not saying that Tharp doesn't have the authority, maybe he does, but something smells like fish to me. Why does WFPD have these individuals barred from the housing authority when the housing authority themselves have not seen fit to bar these individuals.

Just so you know wrote:

Generally, police reports apart of the public domain as are court records. To get copies of report you have to file a FOIA request and site a specific reason as how the public would benefit from the knowledge gleaned from said report(s). So, no, Chief Tharp did not have to provide a copy of an arrest report to you. As far as a Housing Authority list barring individuals from Authority property, there is such a list and it is compiled by the Authority and sent to all area law enforcement agencies. As far as an officer signing off on it, that might be were an individual was re not served with notice they are no longer to be on Authority property and such a return could result in their arrest for Criminal Trespass.

"Any person shall have the right of access to any public records, unless access to the records is otherwise limited or prohibited by law."

Having the right of access does not necessarily mean you can walk in off the street and demand a copy of a police report. There are procedures to follow and it can still be a discretionary decision on part of the administration. Notwithstanding, as much as is being made of this situation by select individual(s) leads one to believe there is most definately an axe to grind against the WFPD in part or whole. Just come out and ask about who was arrested and why it concerns you so.

Gosh, I certainly hope that you people don't expect me to answer all of these comments. Legal argumentation is better left for the Court Room. My original question was and remains:
Does anyone have knowledge of this document that Police Chief Tharp has acquired from the Franklin County Housing Authority that dissallows individuals from being present on the Franklin County Housing Authority property? Has Police Chief Tharp and his crew been using this document to arrest/harrass anybody?

Not necessarily so wrote:

"Any person shall have the right of access to any public records, unless access to the records is otherwise limited or prohibited by law."
Having the right of access does not necessarily mean you can walk in off the street and demand a copy of a police report. There are procedures to follow and it can still be a discretionary decision on part of the administration. Notwithstanding, as much as is being made of this situation by select individual(s) leads one to believe there is most definately an axe to grind against the WFPD in part or whole. Just come out and ask about who was arrested and why it concerns you so.

Corruption Stomper wrote:

Gosh, I certainly hope that you people don't expect me to answer all of these comments. Legal argumentation is better left for the Court Room. My original question was and remains:
Does anyone have knowledge of this document that Police Chief Tharp has acquired from the Franklin County Housing Authority that dissallows individuals from being present on the Franklin County Housing Authority property? Has Police Chief Tharp and his crew been using this document to arrest/harrass anybody?
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I think that Chief Tharp has his own set of rules. As Im sure that you know as well as the rest of the town he is a very immoral person in many ways. So your probably right about the harrasment and this so called document that is being use by "his" officers. How can the police arrest someone for being at te housing if they are not even on the list? so much corruption in this town. Where does it stop?

My question exactly. I'm not seeing how he has the authority, either. It is not even signed by a Judge or anything, just an officer(and the housing authority director). I wish my scanner was working, I would post this thing on the web for the world to see. Personal opinion, but, I believe it would make a laughing stock out of Tharp and his boys snd may still yet. Yesterdays Supreme Court decision, regarding our 4th amendment search and seizure rights, not to allow the search of a vehicle of an arrestee in the absence of danger, gives me, at the very least, some hope in stopping the poor police behavior that we all have been experiencing, either directly or indirectly, throughout Southern Illinois. Not only do we have to follow the laws, they(our finest) do too! Have a good day.

Amazing wrote:

<quoted text> I think that Chief Tharp has his own set of rules. As Im sure that you know as well as the rest of the town he is a very immoral person in many ways. So your probably right about the harrasment and this so called document that is being use by "his" officers. How can the police arrest someone for being at te housing if they are not even on the list? so much corruption in this town. Where does it stop?

Hmmmmmmmmm! Officer states he knew above individuals not on Housing Authority List?