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Terre Haute, IN

#1 Nov 23, 2012
Norm Loudermilk is the most powerful politician in Terre Haute. He has thru favors(getting friends, friends kids out of trouble), manipulation, longevity and years of gathering dirt on the rich and powerful in the area positioned himself to be the most powerful politician in Terre Haute. No one in the history of TH has been fired from the THPD then handed a job w/the THFD. Then used his influence to essentially to get back on the THPD while THFD pays his salary. He is a lieuenant on the THFD, but carries a gun and has a brand new Charger take home car. He raises thousands of re-election dollars yet spends almost nothing to be elected. He will soon retire from the THFD and be mayor of Terre Haute. Trust me this will happen.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#2 Nov 23, 2012
You're either young or stupid... maybe both. He isn't the first to lave one department and move to another. Messes are handled that way all the time. If you think he is the "most powerful" politician in Terre Haute you really don't know Vigo politics at all
MyMothersMySiste r

Brazil, IN

#4 Nov 23, 2012
Papaw wrote:
You're either young or stupid... maybe both. He isn't the first to lave one department and move to another. Messes are handled that way all the time. If you think he is the "most powerful" politician in Terre Haute you really don't know Vigo politics at all
Yeah! you tell him Papaw! It's by nepotism only!
what stinks

Terre Haute, IN

#7 Nov 23, 2012
Papaw wrote:
You're either young or stupid... maybe both. He isn't the first to lave one department and move to another. Messes are handled that way all the time. If you think he is the "most powerful" politician in Terre Haute you really don't know Vigo politics at all
Compared to you I may be young, but not at all stupid. Name one other person fired by one dept and hired by the other. Not transferred. Besides, that was a small fraction of the point I was making. He is untouchable and will be mayor when he has retired from the fire department. The chief's daughter Heather got a DUI a few years back and it never even went to court thanks to Norm. There are numerous other examples of people he has kept out of trouble that feel they owe him everything and can't afford to be exposed. Through his connections thru THPD, THFD, city council, the state and all the other methods he has used he has established himself as the most powerful politician in this town. There are many citizens with more money and more power and he has leveraged many of these as well. Give me names Pawpaw and facts, rather than ignorant points of view.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#8 Nov 23, 2012
what stinks wrote:
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Compared to you I may be young, but not at all stupid. Name one other person fired by one dept and hired by the other. Not transferred. Besides, that was a small fraction of the point I was making. He is untouchable and will be mayor when he has retired from the fire department. The chief's daughter Heather got a DUI a few years back and it never even went to court thanks to Norm. There are numerous other examples of people he has kept out of trouble that feel they owe him everything and can't afford to be exposed. Through his connections thru THPD, THFD, city council, the state and all the other methods he has used he has established himself as the most powerful politician in this town. There are many citizens with more money and more power and he has leveraged many of these as well. Give me names Pawpaw and facts, rather than ignorant points of view.
I didn't know you were referring only to THPD or THFD. It was common practice to move the court employees and other clerical workers around depending on whether the office holder going in or coming out wanted to keep them. Also, those who couldn't do the work or erred to often were moved around. Yes, it happened in the police and fire departments. It's nothing new and has been going on for decades. Bill Mansard was allowed to resign from the THPD and then was immediately appointed chief deputy of the clerk's office. If you think that wasn't planned out you are naive. Look into the Hanley/Sheehan family. There are more but since I know the truth and don't really give 2 shits about Loudermilk I'll let you research it.
Which chief are you referring to, how do you think a man gets appointed to the chief's position? If they have enough clout to get that far they have enough clout to fix their own tickets. Getting a ticket off the books has to have the cooperation of the Clerk's office or it stays on the books. Voiding tickets is a "courtesy" that is usually gifted to city/county employees.
what stinks

Terre Haute, IN

#9 Nov 23, 2012
Papaw wrote:
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I didn't know you were referring only to THPD or THFD. It was common practice to move the court employees and other clerical workers around depending on whether the office holder going in or coming out wanted to keep them. Also, those who couldn't do the work or erred to often were moved around. Yes, it happened in the police and fire departments. It's nothing new and has been going on for decades. Bill Mansard was allowed to resign from the THPD and then was immediately appointed chief deputy of the clerk's office. If you think that wasn't planned out you are naive. Look into the Hanley/Sheehan family. There are more but since I know the truth and don't really give 2 shits about Loudermilk I'll let you research it.
Which chief are you referring to, how do you think a man gets appointed to the chief's position? If they have enough clout to get that far they have enough clout to fix their own tickets. Getting a ticket off the books has to have the cooperation of the Clerk's office or it stays on the books. Voiding tickets is a "courtesy" that is usually gifted to city/county employees.
I'm talking about chief Fisher. I know many more, but some are friends and I don't want to mention their names. The transfers and resignations you mention are not the same thing at all. To be fired from THPD and then hired by THFD has never and will never be done again. You obviously have more knowledge of county politics than city. There is overlap with the two, but there are many differences as well. My point is that the majority of police, fireman, politicians and educated citizens know that Norm is corrupt yet no one can stop him from getting what he wants. If he wants to be mayor he will be mayor. I truly don't give a sh*t about Norm either, but I wanted to shed light on him and hope people do some research and vote for anyone other than him when the time comes. Unfortunately, most voters in TH are uneducated and will vote purely for a name or a clever ad.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#10 Nov 23, 2012
what stinks wrote:
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I'm talking about chief Fisher. I know many more, but some are friends and I don't want to mention their names. The transfers and resignations you mention are not the same thing at all. To be fired from THPD and then hired by THFD has never and will never be done again. You obviously have more knowledge of county politics than city. There is overlap with the two, but there are many differences as well. My point is that the majority of police, fireman, politicians and educated citizens know that Norm is corrupt yet no one can stop him from getting what he wants. If he wants to be mayor he will be mayor. I truly don't give a sh*t about Norm either, but I wanted to shed light on him and hope people do some research and vote for anyone other than him when the time comes. Unfortunately, most voters in TH are uneducated and will vote purely for a name or a clever ad.
This practice is nothing new. It might not have been as publicised but it has happened and it will again. I have experience with both city and county.
It has a lot to do with newly elected officials wanting his department staffed with his chosen people and playing favorites. Getting elected is no easy task, the candidate gets support and favors from those in position to help. When he is elected it's time to pay the piper so he employs favored people and promotes other favored people, appoints a few to key positions and gets rid of his opponent's supporters. Loudermilk has been shrewd and backed winners. Trust this, Fisher has plenty of clout or he wouldn't be the Chief. All he had to do was go to the Clerk's office, city or county depending on where the ticket was written, and ask for it to be dismissed. Usually it is.
Northsider

AOL

#11 Nov 23, 2012
Norm is very powerful. So powerful it involved the General Assembly passing a bill, signed into law by the Governor to stop him. But Norm will not be stopped by this law until Jan 2016. Norm's success is capturing all the personal gain he can from muni. govt. - rewarding himself. He tries to reward his friends, too. But truly powerful political players can punish their enemies - Like Clinton taking out the Speaker of the House. Norm has never displayed this form of power. Even though he vowed to files criminal and civil charges against the THFD letter to the Mayor writers, each man remains untouched by Norm. Inability to punish his enemies, or even hold them accountable is Norm's major political failing.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#12 Nov 23, 2012
Northsider wrote:
Norm is very powerful. So powerful it involved the General Assembly passing a bill, signed into law by the Governor to stop him. But Norm will not be stopped by this law until Jan 2016. Norm's success is capturing all the personal gain he can from muni. govt.- rewarding himself. He tries to reward his friends, too. But truly powerful political players can punish their enemies - Like Clinton taking out the Speaker of the House. Norm has never displayed this form of power. Even though he vowed to files criminal and civil charges against the THFD letter to the Mayor writers, each man remains untouched by Norm. Inability to punish his enemies, or even hold them accountable is Norm's major political failing.
Be careful what you wish for........
Shawn Landis

Terre Haute, IN

#13 Nov 23, 2012
If you can provide proof of this, I'd love to see it...

I bet people at the Tribune Star would be very interested in such information as well.
Ole Lady

Terre Haute, IN

#14 Nov 23, 2012
He said "fired" not 'moved"
Papaw wrote:
You're either young or stupid... maybe both. He isn't the first to lave one department and move to another. Messes are handled that way all the time. If you think he is the "most powerful" politician in Terre Haute you really don't know Vigo politics at all
superbeaver

Terre Haute, IN

#15 Nov 23, 2012
once he is mayor he will punish them. trust me. he cant bite the hand that feeds him while it's still keeping him fat. he looks and acts dumb but heis very slick.
wiggles and giggles

Saint Mary Of The Woods, IN

#16 Nov 24, 2012
The Sheehans are first cousins to Chuck Hanley right?
Northsider

AOL

#17 Nov 24, 2012
superbeaver wrote:
once he is mayor he will punish them. trust me. he cant bite the hand that feeds him while it's still keeping him fat. he looks and acts dumb but heis very slick.
Norm will never be elected Mayor. The letter writing posse caused Norm to make a permanent stain on himself. Norm could have fought like a tiger, and emerged stronger than before. But he didn't. He quit his 3 bugle appointment sobbing: "I have two much on my plate." On that plate was one, non-operational, non-emergency-response division within one City dept, and the 3rd district. The Mayor's plate is 10x bigger, and he doesn't cry about it. Even though Norm tries to claim his years as a Marine (peacetime reserve POG), Policeman (disciplinary file copy still in the media's hands), and Fireman make him a cool customer under pressure, he has proven he is not. As the circuit breaker rule will compel necessary reductions in staff of City Employees, Norm will run to all those angry, upset and fearful letting them cry on his shoulders, while he consoles them with the lie that he can help (once he is Mayor). So Norm will build a coalition of the pissed-off in the coming months and years. But Norm can be stopped with the facts of his acts through the years, and his short fuse to his "fight or flee" panic reactions. But I hope he runs for Mayor. It will be drama.
Momma

Crawfordsville, IN

#19 Nov 24, 2012
wiggles and giggles wrote:
The Sheehans are first cousins to Chuck Hanley right?
Yes, and a few others. This is the 2nd or 3rd generation of political employment.

I know several employees who were quietly moved out of departments and into another slot because it was that or be fired. Some because they actually deserved to be fired and some who were just disliked by the elected jackass. That's how the politicians avoid angering others with clout.
North side fat man

Chicago, IL

#21 Nov 24, 2012
I got a thousand for norm and twenty five friends and relatives when he runs for mayor
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#22 Nov 24, 2012
Whether you like him or not you have to admit he does gets things done. Apparently he knows the ins and outs and who to cater to.
Don't rule out retaliation, these things don't happen instantaneously.
Northsider

AOL

#24 Nov 24, 2012
Here is the latest on what Norm is up to. The new police HQ will combine FD HQ as well. Norm is pressing to make this new building an intelligence center to monitor all goings on in Terre Haute. The new building will have an emergency command center in a sub level basement that will make the White House situation room look like a tree house. This emergency Mayor's office there will take on a "Commander in Chief" look, and is intended to become the acting city hall. The Arson Investigation office will be like a local NSA/CIA, having both the Fire Chief and the Police Chief answering to the Office of Arson Investigation. Norm is building his power center in the new Police HQ. Make no mistake about it. Norm will control Terre Haute, and monitor everyone from this new building. That is what Norm is up to now.
Stormy

Anonymous Proxy

#25 Nov 25, 2012
And someone will hand him his @SS, Make no mistake about it......
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#26 Nov 25, 2012
Northsider wrote:
Here is the latest on what Norm is up to. The new police HQ will combine FD HQ as well. Norm is pressing to make this new building an intelligence center to monitor all goings on in Terre Haute. The new building will have an emergency command center in a sub level basement that will make the White House situation room look like a tree house. This emergency Mayor's office there will take on a "Commander in Chief" look, and is intended to become the acting city hall. The Arson Investigation office will be like a local NSA/CIA, having both the Fire Chief and the Police Chief answering to the Office of Arson Investigation. Norm is building his power center in the new Police HQ. Make no mistake about it. Norm will control Terre Haute, and monitor everyone from this new building. That is what Norm is up to now.
Are you off your meds again? Our neighbors are getting fed up with your nutcase ways. You scare the women and the kids flip you off behind your back. We men figure we'll see you meltdown in your front yard. Do us all a favor and go see your doctor.

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