Mormons: We are Christians, too

saviorself wrote:

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and try the part where you critique my grammer again. the post you responded to in this one did'nt even have the error you referrenced. If I made it, I'll claim it, unlike you, I never claimed perfection in anything. Try again... maybe you'll get the correct one this time. Hope you have a nice life too... it'll start when you begin to understand the truth. Blessings.

I think now I will just point our your lies.

"unlike you, I never claimed perfection in anything."

I have never claimed perfection in anything as well yet your LIE and say I have.

Why is that?

Oh yes you are a LIAR.

Blessings hope you get help for bearing false witness against your fellow human beings.

Truth Matters.

Will the Real Football Team Please Stand Up

Consider the world of professional sports. Imagine the confusion which would arise if the New York Mets claimed to be a football team and sought membership in the National Football League. They might support their claim by listing the ways in which the Mets are similar to the Green Bay Packers: both teams "play," both use balls, both play on fields, both play in stadiums, both have coaches, both have fans, both are comprised of professional athletes, both wear uniforms,...you get the picture.

No matter how many similarities can be listed between baseball teams and football teams, there is no getting around the fact that they play entirely different games.

The same reasoning can--and should--be applied to faith issues. Some folks think it's harsh for an organization to boldly state that Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS Church) is not a Christian religion. After all, both historic Christianity and Mormonism have members who meet in churches, both read the Bible, both sing hymns, both are involved in humanitarian service, both speak of Christ, both work for strong families and high morals, both have a high ethical standard, both send missionaries around the world, etc.

However, there are some very fundamental differences between the belief systems of historic Christianity and the LDS Church. The following comparison explains why we say Mormonism is not a Christian faith. The purpose of this information is to educate people and help them avoid confusion; there is no disrespect intended. Mormonism is a religion which can stand on its own--with its own colorful history and its own unique doctrines. Just as Islam (and others) prefers to be recognized as a faith distinct from Christianity, so too should the LDS Church be pleased to be recognized for what it truly is.

Here, then, are some of the basic differences between biblical teachings embraced by historic Christianity and those of Mormonism.

THE BIBLE TEACHES there is only one True and Living God, and apart from Him there are no other Gods.(Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6-8; 45:21-22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34)

By contrast, the LDS Church teaches there are many true Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3 ff) and that humans can become gods and goddesses in the afterlife (Achieving a Celestial Marriage Manual, 130; Mormon Doctrine, 321). It also teaches those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as humans now worship and pray to our God (Gospel Principles, 302).

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THE BIBLE TEACHES God is Spirit (John 4:24; 1 Timothy 6:15-16), He is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22-23), and He has always (eternally) existed as God--omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient (Psalm 90:2; 139:7-10; Revelation 19:6; Malachi 3:6).

By contrast, the LDS Church teaches God the Father was once a mere human man who progressed to become a God with a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346; Gospel Principles, 9; Articles of Faith, 430; Mormon Doctrine, 321). Indeed, The LDS Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 373; Mormon Doctrine, 577).

THE BIBLE TEACHES Jesus is the unique Son of God; He has always existed as God, and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father (John 1:1, 14; 10:30; Colossians 2:9). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father (John 17:4-5); Philippians 2:6-11) and was made flesh for our salvation; His incarnation was accomplished through being conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34, 25).

By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother, and later conceived physically by Heavenly Father and an earthly mother (Achieving a Celestial Marriage Manual, 129; Mormon Doctrine, 546-547, 742). Mormon teachings affirm that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Gospel Principles, 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, 192)

THE BIBLE TEACHES that the atoning work of Christ is first and foremost a solution for humankind's sin problem. By taking the personal sins of all people--past, present and future--in His own body on the Cross (1 Peter 2:24), Christ, as the spotless lamb of God, fully met the demands of Divine justice for us, so that all who receive Him by faith are forgiven and made righteous before God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21).

By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to obtain resurrection and immortality for all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith (Mormon Doctrine, 669; Articles of Faith, 87-91; Doctrines of Salvation 2:47).

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THE BIBLE TEACHES we are saved by grace alone, apart from our own self-righteous works (Ephesians 2:8-10). The moral law (Ten Commandments) was given to make us aware of our total inability to meet the demands of God's holiness (Romans 3:20; 5:20; 7:7-8; Galatians 3:19), and the ceremonial law (sacrifice) was given to point to the gracious provision of the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29; Hebrews 9:11-14; 10:1-14). There is nothing we can do to merit salvation and eternal life because apart from Christ we are spiritually "dead in our sins" (Ephesians 2:1, 5); a new heart which desired to obey God's laws is rather a result of salvation.(However, it is certainly true that without the evidence of changed conduct, a person's testimony of faith in Christ must be questioned; salvation by grace alone through faith does not mean we can live as we please. See Romans 6:1ff).

By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (the "celestial kingdom") must be earned by obeying various Mormon laws and ordinances. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom." See Gospel Principles, 303-304; Mormon Doctrine, 339, 671; Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 25:23).

Excerpted from Is Mormonism Christian, Institute for Religious Research.

From http://www.answeringlds.org/index.html...

Statements of 5 Christian Denominations on Mormonism

Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.

•Statement of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod

•Statement of the Presbyterian Church (USA)

•Statement of the Roman Catholic Church

•Statement of the Southern Baptist Convention

•Statement of the United Methodist Church

goto http://www.irr.org/mit/is-mormonism-christian...

For the links for the above.

Wow I am clearly not alone

Concerned in Brasil said

"Statements of 5 Christian Denominations on Mormonism

Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.

•Statement of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod

•Statement of the Presbyterian Church (USA)

•Statement of the Roman Catholic Church

•Statement of the Southern Baptist Convention

•Statement of the United Methodist Church

goto http://www.irr.org/mit/is-mormonism-christian ...

For the links for the above.

Wow I am clearly not alone "

The problem is you only listed 5 of over 38000 various sects that all claim to be Christian but interpret what little Jesus said differently, sometimes adding, sometimes subtracting from his simple mystical message but mostly denying it completely and replacing it with the patriarchal system devised at Nicaea.

Most of these churches that call themselves Christian are actually hierarchical Patriarchal Churches that falsely claim to be Christian missing the simple message of Jesus completely!

While I do not call myself a Christian, I consider myself on the same path as the one you mistakenly worship rather than listen to.

Here is a group that approaches the teachings of Jesus in a way that is in direct opposition to the hierarchical nature falsely set up by the council of Nicaea:

http://www.gnostic-jesus.com/

while I am do not necessarily accept everything posted on this url it shows that there are many who call themselves Christian that do not share your views or those of the Latter Day Saints.

In my personal path I prefer to meditate on a problem and than when I obtain the holographic vision in response, to translate it to the linear language that we use to communcate on Earth as best I can.

Here is a simple meditation that has helped me to become aware of the holographic nature of the consciousness that is the substrate of existence for all Universes such as the one that many of us consider the only reality:

http://grandpasmurf9520.wordpress.com/2009/06...

Jesus said "The Truth Shall Set You Free"

He was right!

concerned in Brasil wrote:

No, CIB, the Bible teaches:
Anything the church wants/
Here is part 1 of a list of Bible believing churches:
Armenian Catholic Church
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
Bulgarian Catholic Church
Chaldean Catholic Church
Coptic Catholic Church
Croatian Greek Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Georgian Catholic Church
Greek Catholic Church
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Greek Catholic Church
Macedonian Catholic Church
Maronite Catholic Church
Melkite Catholic Church
Romanian Catholic Church
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church (usually called the "Byzantine Catholic Church" in the United States)
Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
Finnish Orthodox Church
Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church (autonomy not universally recognized)
Patriarchal Exarchate for Orthodox Parishes of Russian Tradition in Western Europe (autonomy not universally recognized)
Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria
Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America
Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem
Saint Catherine's Monastery (considered autocephalous by some)
Russian Orthodox Church
Latvian Orthodox Church (semi-autonomous)
Moldovan Orthodox Church (autonomy not universally recognized)
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
Japanese Orthodox Church(autonomy not universally recognized)
Chinese Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (semi-autonomous; not universally recognized)
Estonian Orthodox Church of Moscow Patriarchate (semi-autonomous; not universally recognized)
Serbian Orthodox Church
Macedonian Orthodox Church
Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric
Romanian Orthodox Church
Metropolis of Bessarabia
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church
Cypriot Orthodox Church
Church of Greece
Polish Orthodox Church
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church in America (autocephaly not universally recognized)
Russian Orthodox Church in America (not universally recognized)
Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria
British Orthodox Church
French Coptic Orthodox Church
Syriac Orthodox Church
Jacobite Syrian Christian Church
Armenian Apostolic Church
Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Apostolic Catholic Church
American Catholic Church in the United States
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada
Celtic Catholic Church
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
Communion of Christ the Redeemer
Free Catholic Church
Liberal Catholic Church
Mariavite Church
Old Catholic Church
Old Catholic Church of America
Old Catholic Church in Europe
Palmarian Catholic Church
Philippine Independent Church
Polish National Catholic Church
Spiritus Christi
True Catholic Church
Byzantine
Greek Old Calendarists
Montenegrin Orthodox Church
Macedonian Orthodox Church
Russian Old Believers
Ukrainian Orthodox Church:
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchy)
The Antiochian Catholic Church in America is theologically aligned with the Oriental Orthodox, but is not in full communion with them, primarily because it ordains women and does not impose celibacy on its bishops.
Celtic Orthodox Church
Malabar Independent Syrian Church
Orthodox-Catholic Church of America (OCCA)
Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia
Anglican Church in Central America
Anglican Church of Australia
Anglican Church of Burundi
Continued...

And part 3...
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Protestant Reformed Churches in America
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in the United States
Remonstrant Brotherhood
United Reformed Church
United Reformed Churches in North America
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
Christ Community Church
Church of Scotland
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church
Greek Evangelical Church
Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian Church in America
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Australia)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Canada)
Reformed Church of France
Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly
Upper Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Westminster Presbyterian Church of Australia
National Association of Congregational Christian Churches
United Church of Christ
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
Amish
Beachy Amish
Nebraska Amish
Old Order Amish
Swartzentruber Amish
Apostolic Christian Church
Church of the United Brethren in Christ
Hutterites
Bruderhof Communities
Alliance of Mennonite Evangelical Congregations
Chortitzer Mennonite Conference
Church of God in Christ, Mennonite (Holdeman Mennonites)
Conference of the Mennonite Brethren Churches in India
Conservative Mennonite Conference
Evangelical Mennonite Church
Evangelical Mennonite Conference
Evangelical Mennonite Mission Conference
Evangelical Missionary Church
Fellowship of Evangelical Bible Churches (formerly Evangelical Mennonite Brethren)
Mennonite Brethren Churches
Canadian Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
US Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Mennonite Church USA
Missionary Church
Old Order Mennonites
Swiss Mennonite Conference
Plymouth Brethren
Exclusive Brethren
Indian Brethren
Kerala Brethren
Open Brethren
River Brethren
Brethren in Christ Church
Old Order River Brethren
United Zion Church
Schwarzenau Brethren
Brethren Reformed Church
Church of the Brethren
Conservative Grace Brethren Churches, International
Dunkard Brethren
Ephrata Cloister
Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches
Old German Baptist Brethren
Old Order German Baptist Brethren
The Brethren Church (Ashland Brethren)
Social Brethren
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church (Dallas, Texas)
Congregational Methodist Church
Evangelical Church (ECNA)
Evangelical Church of the Dominican Republic
Evangelical Methodist Church
First Congregational Methodist Church
Free Methodist Church (North America)
Fundamental Methodist Conference, Inc.
Primitive Methodist Church
United Methodist Church
Wesleyan Reform Union
Bible Fellowship Church
Christian Baptist Church of God
Christ's Sanctified Holy Church
Church of Christ (Holiness) U.S.A.
Church of God (Anderson)
Church of God (Guthrie, Oklahoma)
Church of God (Holiness)
Church of God (Restoration)
Churches of God General Conference (Winebrenner)
Church of the Nazarene
Evangelical Free Church of America
Harmony Society
Missionary Church
Salvation Army
United Christian Church
Wesleyan Church
Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Association
American Baptist Churches USA
Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland
Association of Grace Baptist Churches
Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
Association of Regular Baptist Churches
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist General Convention of Texas
Baptist Missionary Association of America
Baptist World Alliance
Bible Baptist
Black Primitive Baptists
Canadian Baptist Ministries
Canadian Convention of Southern Baptists
Central Baptist Association
Central Canada Baptist Conference
Christian Unity Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Continued to part 4

Continental Baptist Churches
Convención Nacional Bautista de Mexico
Convention of Atlantic Baptist Churches
Convention of Baptist Churches of Northern Circars
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
European Baptist Convention
European Baptist Federation
Evangelical Baptist Mission of South Haiti
Evangelical Free Baptist Church
Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada
Free Will Baptist Church
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
General Association of Baptists
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
General Six-Principle Baptists
Grace Baptist Assembly
Independent Baptist
Independent Baptist Church of America
Independent Baptist Fellowship International
Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
Landmark Baptist Church
Liberty Baptist Fellowship
Myanmar Baptist Convention
Nagaland Baptist Church Council
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
New Testament Association of Independent Baptist Churches
On to part 5

Nigerian Baptist Convention
North American Baptist Conference
North Bank Baptist Christian Association
Norwegian Baptist Union
Old Baptist Union
Old Regular Baptist
Old Time Missionary Baptist
Primitive Baptist
Progressive Baptist
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Reformed Baptist
Regular Baptist Churches, General Association of
Regular Baptist
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches
Separate Baptist
Separate Baptists in Christ
Seventh Day Baptist
Southeast Conservative Baptist
Southern Baptist Convention
Southern Baptists of Texas
Sovereign Grace Baptists
Strict Baptists
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
Union d'Églises baptistes françaises au Canada
United American Free Will Baptist Church
United American Free Will Baptist Conference
United Baptist
United Baptist Convention of the Atlantic Provinces
United Free Will Baptist
Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
World Baptist Fellowship
The Spiritual Baptist Archdiocese of New York, Inc.
Apostolic Catholic Church (ACC)
Catholic Apostolic Church
New Apostolic Church
United Apostolic Church
Old Apostolic Church
Restored Apostolic Mission Church
Apostolic Church
Apostolic Faith Church
Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa
Assemblies of God
Assembleias de Deus
Assemblies of God in New Zealand
Assemblies of God in the United Kingdom
Assemblies of God in Vietnam
Australian Christian Churches
General Council of the Assemblies of God of the United States

On to part 6///

Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Australian Fellowship of Faith Churches and Ministers Int.(AFFCMI)
Believers Church
Bible-Pattern Church Fellowship
Calvary Holiness Association
Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches
Charisma Christian Church
Christ Gospel Churches International
Christian City Churches
Christian Church of North America
Christian Congregation of Brazil
Christian Outreach Centre
Christian Revival Crusade
Church of God (Charleston, Tennessee)
Church of God (Chattanooga)
Church of God (Cleveland)
Church of God (Huntsville, Alabama)
The Church of God (Jerusalem Acres)
Church of God by Faith
The Church of God for All Nations
Church of God, House of Prayer
Church of God in Christ
Church of God Mountain Assembly
Church of God of Prophecy
Church of God of the Original Mountain Assembly
Church of God of the Union Assembly
Church of God with Signs Following
Church of the Foursquare Gospel in the Philippines
Church of the Little Children of Jesus Christ
Congregational Holiness Church
CRC Churches International
Destiny Church
Elim Fellowship
Elim Pentecostal Church
Evangelical Pentecostal Church of Besançon
Every Nation Churches
The Fellowship (FGFCMI)
Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas
Free Apostolic Church of Pentecost
Gereja Pantekosta di Indonesia
God is Love Pentecostal Church
Holiness Baptist Association
Independent Assemblies of God, International
Indian Pentecostal Church of God
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
International Pentecostal Church of Christ
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Life Application Gospel Ministries International
Mission of Full Gospel - Christian Open Door
New Life Churches
New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc
Open Bible Standard Churches
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America
Pentecostal Church of God
Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Mission
Pentecostal World Conference
Potter's House Christian Fellowship
Redeemed Christian Church of God
Revival Centres International
The Revival Fellowship
United Gospel Tabernacles
United Holy Church of America
Association of Vineyard Churches
Calvary Chapel
Charismatic Episcopal Church
City Harvest Church
Faith Christian Fellowship International
Full Gospel
Jesus Army
Ministries of His Glory
Ministries Without Borders
New Frontiers
Sovereign Grace Ministries
On to part 7

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Concerned in Brasil said
..........The problem is you only listed 5 of over 38000 various sects that all claim to be Christian ..........Jesus said "The Truth Shall Set You Free"
He was right!

Oh uneducated one.

The list of 38000 you refer too has many problems but that’s for another day.

But just so you get the picture the Missouri synod of Lutheran Churches makes up some 280+ counts of the 38000 sects. Why is that? Because they count each individually registered church in each country as a individual sect, this is done for Baptists, Anglicans, Methodists, first assemblies and even the RCC, who is counted as 279 different sects the last time I checked no don't there are more, as they count the Jesuit priesthood as a separate sect as well.

Next with just the links provided 1.2 billion of the roughly 2 billion Christians are accounted for and the Greek Orthodox has declared the same which puts it at 1.5-1.6 billion.

Yet again just because I did not put links to other Christian denominations does not mean they don’t agree as the overwhelming majority 99.9% consider Mormons not Christians.

In fact those that support the LDS calling themselves Christians are more often than not secular bodies that are very liberal who also support gay marriage and abortion.

Like the one that made the list to be an exaggerated 33000 sects which is Oxford University Press.

So I am truly not alone as the majority is well beyond 99%+ does not recognize Mormonism as Christian.

BTW it is clear you do not know Jesus.

Bible Christian Mission
Local churches
Destiny Church Groningen
Born Again Movement
New Life Fellowship
True Jesus Church
Apostles of Johane Marauke
Christ Apostolic Miracle Ministry
Celestial Church of Christ
Christ Apostolic Church
Church of the Lord (Aladura)
Eternal Sacred Order of Cherubim and Seraphim
Kimbanguist Church
Zion Christian Church
China Christian Council
Church of Bangladesh
Church of Pakistan
Church of North India
Church of South India
Evangelical Church in Germany
Mar Thoma Church
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
St. Thomas Evangelical Church
United Church of Canada
United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands
United Church in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands
United Church of Christ in the Philippines
Uniting Church in Australia
Evangelical Friends International
Friends General Conference
Friends United Meeting
On to part 8...

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Churches of Christ
Churches of Christ (non-institutional)
Churches of Christ in Australia
Evangelical Christian Church in Canada (Christian Disciples)
Independent Christian Churches/Churches of Christ
International Churches of Christ (Boston Movement)
Christian Israelite Church
Adventist Church of Promise
Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church
General Conference of the Church of God (Seventh-Day)
Seventh-day Adventist Church
Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement
Branch Davidians
Church of the Great God
Living Church of God
Philadelphia Church of God
True Jesus Church
United Church of God
United Seventh-Day Brethren
Advent Christian Church
Church of God General Conference (Abrahamic Faith)
Church of the Blessed Hope (aka Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith)
Assemblies of Yahweh
House of Yahweh
New Life Fellowship
British-Israel-World Federation
Christian Identity and other white separatist/supremacist groups
Church of Jesus Christ-Christian (Aryan Nations)
Kingdom Identity Ministries
LaPorte Church of Christ
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Revival Centres International
The Revival Fellowship
Worldwide Church of God
Associated Gospel Churches of Canada (AGC)
Children of God a.k.a. "The Family International", "Family of Love", "The Family"
Church of Christ, Instrumental (Kelleyites)
Christian Conventions (aka Two by Twos, The Truth, The Way)
Christian & Missionary Alliance
Cooneyites (not to be confused with Christian Conventions, above)
Eternal Grace
Evangelical Church of West Africa
Evangelical Covenant Church of America ("Swedish Evangelical Mission Covenant")
Evangelical Free Church of Canada
Fellowship of Fundamental Bible Churches
Grace Movement Churches
Great Commission Association
Shakers
Indian Shakers
Jesus Movement
Methernitha
Metropolitan Community Churches
Native American Church
New Frontiers (formerly New Frontiers International)
Schwenkfelder Church
Strigolniki
Universal Life
Yehowists (aka Yehowists-Ilyinites, Russian Jehovists)
Apostolic Assemblies of Christ
Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus
Apostolic Brethren
Apostolic Gospel Church of Jesus Christ
Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God
Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ
Bible Way Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ
Church of Jesus Christ
Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith
House of Prayer Christian Church
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
United Pentecostal Church International
American Unitarian Conference
International Council of Unitarians and Universalists
Australian and New Zealand Unitarian Universalist Association (ANZUUA)
Canadian Unitarian Council
Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft, Germany
European Unitarian Universalists
General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches, United Kingdom & Ireland
Unitarian Universalist Association
Unitarian Universalist Society of Spain
Unitarisk Kirkesamfund, Denmark
Christian Millennial Fellowship
Dawn Bible Students Association
Jehovah's Witnesses
Layman's Home Missionary Movement
Pastoral Bible Institute
General Church of the New Jerusalem
Swedenborgian Church of North America formerly General Convention of the New Jerusalem
Christadelphians
Christian Conventions (aka, Assemblies of Christians, Two-by-Twos, The Truth, etc.)
Church of Christ, Scientist
Church of the Blessed Hope (one of the groups otherwise known as Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith)
Doukhobors ("Spirit-Wrestlers")
Friends of Man
Iglesia ni Cristo
Makuya
Members Church of God International
Molokans
Most Holy Church of God in Christ Jesus
Subbotniks
Unification Church
Universal Alliance
Chosen People Ministries
Jews for Jesus
Messianic Bureau International
Messianic Jewish Alliance of America
Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations (UMJC)
Church of Divine Science
Unity Church

Now, CIB, ther majority, if not all of these (in some cases DIAMETRICALLY DIFFERENT Churches use the Bible as the source of their doctrine.

If the source of their doctrine doesn't seem to point them in one direction, how can you say it is somehow "inerrant?"

humor me here wrote:

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No, CIB, the Bible teaches:
Anything the church wants/
Here is part 1 of a list of Bible believing churches:
Armenian Catholic Church
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
cut for space.......Continued...

Notice every on of the churches believes in the Nature of God as the Bible declares and not as the LDS sect declares.

Again all in your list declare Mormons not Christians.

BTW the bible lists the

Church at Corinth
Church at Ephesus
Church at Jerusalem
Church at Rome
Church at Antioch ETC ETC

You have no point your lists prove nothing other than you you know how to copy and paste.

humor me here wrote:

Now, CIB, ther majority, if not all of these (in some cases DIAMETRICALLY DIFFERENT Churches use the Bible as the source of their doctrine.
If the source of their doctrine doesn't seem to point them in one direction, how can you say it is somehow "inerrant?"

Frist staw man above no not all use the Bible as thier only source of Doctrine and not all are Christian.

That is why some are very different, which is the a very small minority.

The vast majority 99% all believe IN ONE GOD past present future.

That Jesus is uncreated and Creator of All.

NOW those two beliefs are DIAMETRICALLY DIFFERENT to the LDS beliefs and on that one point alone the VERY NATURE OF GOD the LDS Moromons are proven not to be Christian.

Truth Matters.

concerned in Brasil wrote:

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Notice every on of the churches believes in the Nature of God as the Bible declares and not as the LDS sect declares.
Again all in your list declare Mormons not Christians.

What have you been smoking, pal???

My list has everything from Southern Baptists to Moonies, with a few Baptists, Episcopalians, and Bretheren etc thrown in. Even some white Supremacists!(they SAY they have a Church or three). They IN NO WAY agree on the "Nature of God" as you say.

Every Single one of these churches, with the exception, as you said of the same church in different countries which I didn't take time to cull all the non American ones...but every major church and quite a few minor churches are divided my doctrine! EVERY ONE. Otherwise, why not join together?

So IF the five hundred or so churches on my list each follow the Bible, and SAY they follow the Bible, and use the Bible as source material to show they believe what they believe,

How can you say the Bible is "inerrant?"

Silliest thing I've ever heard. The proof is right there in front of you! OF COURSE there needed to be a restoration. Duh! Disagree all you want with the doctrine. You can even say we aren't the RIGHT restoration, if you'd like. But there is very good reason,(and YOU are one of the main poster children for the problem) that a restoration was needed.

Divided IN doctrine... (third paragraph)