Idaho Immigration

Hey Dave, Do you really think that illegals don't pay any taxes? Here, take a look when you go to the store, get in the line behind an illegal, if the store cashier doesn't charge the illegal an extra 5% on what he/she buys, then illegals don't pay taxes. Other example, I have illegal friends, they get about 200 to 250 dollars taken out of their paychecks for social sec. and medicare, aren't those taxes? do they get it back like many of us do? NOOOOOOOO!!! How about this: would you come to Idaho and move those heavy irrigation pipes twice a day? getting up at 4am and getting done moving those pipes until 9pm without breaks? Of course not. We prefer to spend all day lying on our couch, or just drinking beer, or doing meth. Am I wrong?
Let me tell you this: potatoes, wheat, tomatoes, oranges, etc. don't grow in the stores! I bet you just care about going to the store and get what you need, you don't care about how what you bought got to the store.

Absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. Especially the "We prefer to spend all day lying on our couch, or just drinking beer, or doing meth"

Your life sounds pathetic.

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Wight American wrote:

Well patty let me think...humm...While were at it lets bomb them too wouldent you like that as well. Whats wrong
somebody not mow your GRASS good enough? people like you need to pull those sticks out of your ass And let these people get the same chance you take for granted...NO WAIT I GOT IT LETS SEND YOU DOWN TO (T J)OR SOME PLACE LIKE THAT LET YOU LIVE THE LIFE THAY HAVE TO LIVE FOR A FEW YEARS.
SEE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE IT.

P. FREAKIN S. OH GUESS WHAT MY SONS ARE HAWIAN MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SHOOT THEM ASWELL...YOU PEOPLE" AND I USE THE TERM VERY LOOSLY" MAKE ME WANNA PUKE.( CLOSE YOUR EYES AND LOOK THIS BIRDS FOR YOU!!!)

Why be so ignorant? illeglas have no right to be here or to make demands. Hawaii is a part of America even though I know a few of you forget that from time to time. So that would mean your sons are legal Americans. My guess is you know of or are related to some illegals by that illiterate , ignorant response of yours.

Dave wrote:

Hey Dave, Do you really think that illegals don't pay any taxes? Here, take a look when you go to the store, get in the line behind an illegal, if the store cashier doesn't charge the illegal an extra 5% on what he/she buys, then illegals don't pay taxes. Other example, I have illegal friends, they get about 200 to 250 dollars taken out of their paychecks for social sec. and medicare, aren't those taxes? do they get it back like many of us do? NOOOOOOOO!!! How about this: would you come to Idaho and move those heavy irrigation pipes twice a day? getting up at 4am and getting done moving those pipes until 9pm without breaks? Of course not. We prefer to spend all day lying on our couch, or just drinking beer, or doing meth. Am I wrong?
Let me tell you this: potatoes, wheat, tomatoes, oranges, etc. don't grow in the stores! I bet you just care about going to the store and get what you need, you don't care about how what you bought got to the store.
Absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. Especially the "We prefer to spend all day lying on our couch, or just drinking beer, or doing meth"
Your life sounds pathetic.

Oh yea that pathetic sales tax they pay will make up for the $131 billion spent on them for a free ride. Yea they pay taxes with stolen ID's and SS numbers. Have such low income they get every penny back plus a bonus of earned income credit!

Your comment is the most uneducated unimformed comment i have seen in a long time. illeglas lie, if you haven't gotten that yet. They lie about everything including their importance here or what they contribute here. Hell your friends are even lieing about their names to you. I guess all that beer and meth you do has eroded your powers of reasoning.

They aren't staying on farms either. Another myth. They are taking construction jobs, cleaning jobs, food service jobs and have even been found in social serives and government jobs. As for the prices will go up myth, it will anyways if they get amnesty. They will demand better pay and the greedy ass buisness's won't take those pay raises from their cut. They will pass it on to the consumer.

Then we add in the "old world diseases" once done away with in the USA. Now popping up everywhere. Boarder towns with tuberculousis epidemics going on etc.

A culture that is more than 95% illiterate. And places no value on education even to their children. A culture that still believes it is a man's right to rape children, nothing wrong with that. A culture who refuses to assimulate to american culture. They want to have everything America can off, without the Americans part. More than 2 billion spent on printing everything in spanish because they refuse to learn any english. A culture that justifies breaking laws at every turn and throws up the vitcum card when they do get caught. A culture that has done nothing to improve their own country, but decides America is an easy mark and they can muster all the courage they want to invade and make demads from us. A culture who teaches propaganda as to who the western boarder of the US really belongs to.

And what reason was it that anyone would want a mass invasion of this culture into the USA all at one time?

JD, how do you like it up there? I am from Temecula, CA and we are moving to Hayden in July.
chris

JD in NW Idaho wrote:

I use to live in LA, then So OC and had to leave California because of all the problems that illegals have caused. California standards use to be among the highest...now I wouldn't live there if my life depended on it. Our borders aren't safe from the illegals OR terrorists! The CALIF economy is in shambles - and, more than often English isn't heard even in fine dining or resorts. I've given up - but hope that you won't.
Fair is fair - who ever comes here legally will be represented and given what America has to offer...but illegal is a crime.
JD

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Liz,

Hey I'm with you on this issue. I was quoting someone else's post, then replied with an answer much like yours.

I'm afraid you are clueless and naive. You are part of the problem.

I can only say one thing about Mexico, it sucks. While I've never been to Mexico I can still say that because of the quality of the people coming illegally is not that great, you would think that instead of demanding equal rights as citizens, which they are NOT by the way, they would use that energy possibly applying for a green card. Maybe then they wouldn't have to protest ILLEGALLY and we could get some peace. So what if Mexicans are cheap labor, that makes them like an addictive drug to our country, first we use them for cheap labor, then we become dependent and we can't work without them. I say we cut them off before we become totally dependant on them and they overrun our fine country.

Liz wrote:

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Oh yea that pathetic sales tax they pay will make up for the $131 billion spent on them for a free ride. Yea they pay taxes with stolen ID's and SS numbers. Have such low income they get every penny back plus a bonus of earned income credit!
Your comment is the most uneducated unimformed comment i have seen in a long time. illeglas lie, if you haven't gotten that yet. They lie about everything including their importance here or what they contribute here. Hell your friends are even lieing about their names to you. I guess all that beer and meth you do has eroded your powers of reasoning.
They aren't staying on farms either. Another myth. They are taking construction jobs, cleaning jobs, food service jobs and have even been found in social serives and government jobs. As for the prices will go up myth, it will anyways if they get amnesty. They will demand better pay and the greedy ass buisness's won't take those pay raises from their cut. They will pass it on to the consumer.
Then we add in the "old world diseases" once done away with in the USA. Now popping up everywhere. Boarder towns with tuberculousis epidemics going on etc.
A culture that is more than 95% illiterate. And places no value on education even to their children. A culture that still believes it is a man's right to rape children, nothing wrong with that. A culture who refuses to assimulate to american culture. They want to have everything America can off, without the Americans part. More than 2 billion spent on printing everything in spanish because they refuse to learn any english. A culture that justifies breaking laws at every turn and throws up the vitcum card when they do get caught. A culture that has done nothing to improve their own country, but decides America is an easy mark and they can muster all the courage they want to invade and make demads from us. A culture who teaches propaganda as to who the western boarder of the US really belongs to.
And what reason was it that anyone would want a mass invasion of this culture into the USA all at one time?

Liz,
Don't forget that in hispanic communities the number of illegitimate children is twice the rate of any other ethnic comunity.

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susan wrote:

Name calling isn't exactly the same as intelligent discussion now is it?
You know who I feel the sorriest for? The Mexical citizens who are trying to get into this country legally. They have to wait forever and I have to wonder if that is because there are already so many illegal Mexicans here that we can't handle more.
Many, if not most, illegals don't pay taxes. It would be very hard to do that. The employers would have to supply social security numbers to the government and would have to pay legal wages which goes against why they hire illegals to begine with.
Please don't tell us that U.S. citizens won't do that work at a legal wage. I know people who have tried to get any job out there but were unable to because they couldn't compete against illegals who will work for illegal wages. This includes high school kids wanting to work in the fields for summer jobs.
Most welfare recipients are white? It would be interesting to get your source for that. While you are getting that why don't you check the statistics for crime also. Might be interesting. Oh and be sure to grab the statistics for illegals who pay taxes while you are at it. Suprise me with some numbers on that.:D

Quick info for you, I myself being in Idaho- and yes I have looked into it- IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER YOU CAN NOT GET WELFARE OR ANY TYPE OF AID-BEING- FOOD STAMPS, MEDICAID AND TES WELFARE. AS I ALSO KNOW YOU CAN BUY A VALID SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OFF THE STREET

I have had it! I am moving to Mexico and becoming a short time citizen and then I am going to walk across the border into the U.S. This way I can get all sorts of benefits and aid.

Jazz wrote:

I think , you are just plain stupid. To begin with there are a lot of Latin American in the U.S not only Mexicans (know the difference), and if all Latin Americans left the country, or even if just Mexicans left the country, U.S economy would plumet. Why? Because all you lazy white people dont' want to do the job that Latin Americans end up doing, construction work, cleaning, cooking and not just that, there are many great companies runned by Latin Americans and many of us have degrees and are highly educated with or without a green card. People who are illegal work hard to sent money to their families and still, just like the rest of us have to pay taxes. Do they get a refund on Tax Day? Hell, no! You dont' only get someone to do the work you dont' want to do, but you also keep their taxes and give it to all those lazy people on Food Stamps (which by the way is mostly white lazy people). So think twice. Oh, by the way, If it makes you mad that Mexicans seem to be taking over the U.S. Learn your history, Texas, California, and many other states were ours to begin with!!! So There You Have It.

Jazz,
My totally misinformed friend, you sound a more than just little racist and appear to share a revolutionary agenda of conquering America's southwest and sympathize with the goals of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, and/or the National Council of La Raza?
Now for a little history lesson. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was the peace treaty that ended the Mexican-American War (1846–1848). The treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 1.36 million km²(525,000 square miles) to the United States in exchange for USD$15 million. The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.
The cession included parts of the modern-day U.S. states of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming, as well as the whole of California, Nevada, and Utah. The remaining parts of what are today the states of Arizona and New Mexico were later ceded under the 1853 Gadsden Purchase.
The treaty was signed by Nicholas P. Trist on behalf of the United States, and three plenipotentiary (diplomatic agents) representatives of Mexico on February 2, 1848, at the Villa of Guadalupe (today Gustavo A. Madero, D.F.), slightly north of Mexico City. It was subsequently ratified by the United States Senate on March 10, 1848 and by the Mexican government on May 19; 1848 the countries' ratifications were duly exchanged on May 30, 1848, at the city of Santiago de Querétaro.
Now, because of all the above, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates themself to us, they shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American--- We have room for but one flag--- we have room for but one language ---and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the citizens of the United States of America.
I have many Mexican and Latin American friends (and I assue you I know the difference); some born US Citizens and other here as legal aliens. The only thing you said that they unanimously agree, most of us are very hard working.

You state that you are highly educated, then why is it that you can't spell or use the english language properly in the construction of your sentences? Why is it also that you haven't studied history and know that the territories of which you speak actually belonged to the only native Americans which are the Indians, not Mexicans, nor Mexican/Indians.
You want to speak of Welfare and white people not wanting to do the jobs Mexicans do, that's false too. After I got a divorce, I was working 2 jobs cleaning toilets in the unemployment office buildings at night while I worked Data Entry during the day and raised 2 children without Welfare or Child Support and I have two strikes against me. I'm white and a woman. They wouldn't give me Welfare because I was able to work, and did the jobs you say white people aren't willing to do.
You want to talk about disgusting! There's nothing worse then cleaning 28 toilet stalls per 3 floors every night from the general public. Have you ever seen what they do in the public stores and resturants in the bathrooms? Shit on the walls and stalls and floor. Toilet paper stuffed into the toilets until they run over. Graffiti all over the place and you say Mexicans contribute?
I live in Texas, where we ARE being over run every day. The violence Mexicans bring into this country is astonishing. You murder your children, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers, cousins and friends at an alarming rate far above the blacks or whites. Stealing is at an all time high as is rape and other crimes against humanity.
You want to talk about going bankrupt. I can't get healthcare, I have no Insurance because I'm currently self employed. Yet Mexicans come into this country and expect everything handed to them because they know they can use the system for food stamps, free medical, free housing and all of the benefits that I'm not entitled to although I pay the taxes that supports them. I get charged 10 times the rate for going to the emergency room that a Mexican gets for free. So who's paying for this? Americans who do work and want to get ahead just as much as your folks do.
I have several white boys who work for me as well as some Mexicans. They work side by side very hard and no one shuns away from trying to earn a living. They are all treated equally and with respect. The Bible says that if you don't work you shouldn't eat. That is a principle put down by God, yet everyday, more Mexicans come into this country and live off Americans for free, not paying taxes, destroying property and just don't give a damn because I've heard them say, "Why should I care? This is not my country."
I don't witness white people throwing out dirty shitty diapers in our parking lots, or trash out the car windows, or not having car insurance. Our jails are filled with the criminals coming up from Mexico and it costs $1300 a month to house them. I'm the one that's paying for free medical and room and board. I'm the one that's over taxed trying to make up the difference for those that don't. I'm the one who's living a legal life in America and I'm the one who became a citizen after I immigrated to this country.
Apparently you're not looking into the whole picture, otherwise you would know of all of these problems. What solutions are you offering?
Bella

Nick wrote:

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Hey Dave, Do you really think that illegals don't pay any taxes? I have illegal friends, they get about 200 to 250 dollars taken out of their paychecks for social sec. and medicare, aren't those taxes? do they get it back like many of us do? NOOOOOOOO!!!

What becomes of the SS taxes that are with held? They don't have a SS number, so it doesn't get into the Govnt. coffers.
Give me a break.
THERE

AMEN Dave from El Segundo!!!! One day those pussy's will stop screaming racism when they find out their country has been broken down by people who don't give a crapp about America or Americans! I use to live in ca. The mexicans from south of the border actually thought it was alright to throw their baby diapers in the rivers and leave their trash laying there too.
They're not Americans they're Fricken Beaners!!!!!

You are right, trash knows no color, but remember that when you see somebody with brown skin, and judge them only because they are brown.

Most likley they are not who you judge them to be.

nakedindian wrote:

You are right, trash knows no color, but remember that when you see somebody with brown skin, and judge them only because they are brown.
Most likley they are not who you judge them to be.

I don't think this needs to be a racist issue or be turned into one but if your decent does not have the word american in it then don't feel you have these rights we Americans do have. Words from an American "illegals get the f**k out!!!!!!!!!!"

Well said bella, I am an imigrant who came when I was 15yrs old to this country legally, now I am close to my 40 and a citizen never did my fam. or me expected the USA to bend over to accomodate us, we worked and pay taxes like everyone else and respect and love this land like any one who was born here. That is why I was so frustated with all this demmands, they do expect everything for nothing and you are so right we have to pick up the tab after they used all of our resources, They come here braking the law and get insulted for not been treated as americans.But in the other hand when they get ask to be like an american "speaking the language, and respecting the land which is given them so much" their answer is "me be like an american I reather die"

Hispanic birth rate soars in Southeast
MIKE STOBBE
Associated Press
ATLANTA - Hispanic births are skyrocketing in the Southeast, where an increase of at least 40 percent was recorded in five states between 2000 and 2003, according to a new government report.
Among the states with the largest increases were Kentucky (80 percent), South Carolina (62 percent), Alabama (53 percent), Tennessee (53 percent) and Arkansas (40 percent), the report found.
The report, from the National Center for Health Statistics, is called the first state-by-state breakdown of birth and fertility rates in the U.S. Hispanic population.
U.S. births for non-Hispanic whites decreased 10 percent between 1990 and 2000, and 2 percent between 2000 and 2003, the report showed. Births for blacks declined 9 percent and 5 percent, respectively.
In contrast, births for Hispanic women jumped 37 percent between 1990 and 2000, and another 12 percent between 2000 and 2003.
But there were differences in birth and fertility rates among Hispanic sub-populations, noted Paul Sutton, an author of the new report.
Mexican-Americans had the highest birth rates overall, followed by Puerto Ricans and Cuban-Americans. Mexican-Americans gave birth in their teens and early 20s at higher rates, while for Cuban-Americans, the highest birth rate was for women in their late 20s.
And while California and Texas continue to have the largest Mexican populations, North Carolina and Georgia had the highest fertility rates for Mexican mothers.
In North Carolina, there were 181 births per 1,000 Mexican women ages 15 to 44 in 2000. In Georgia, the fertility rate was 180 per 1,000 Mexican women.
In contrast, the U.S. fertility rate for Mexican-American women was 105 per 1,000. California's was 112, and Texas' was 124.
It's not likely Georgia or North Carolina will soon surpass Texas or California in Hispanic births: In 2003, nearly 270,000 babies were born to Hispanic mothers in California and 183,000 in Texas, but 18,000 in Georgia, 16,000 in North Carolina, and 5,000 or fewer in most other Southeast states