Teaching improvements considered in NY

The more you put on teachers...the more you should pay them!!

former teacher wrote:

The more you put on teachers...the more you should pay them!!

I agree,along with this place potential teachers in classrooms starting in their freshman year in college.

I am 39 and still paying back my master degree debts on a teachers salary.

Steiner's record.....a lot on theory with no proven record of successful teaching at the high school level; especially in inner city high schools.

If you have the answers, intern in a city school for one year and show your effectiveness.

omg wrote:

I am 39 and still paying back my master degree debts on a teachers salary.

We support a family of 8 on a teachers salary ad we too have master debts. It is about living with-in your means. You may not get rich, but given your age you have been teaching a few years and the pay scale is quite nice. And FYI if you are burdened by debt education loans can be re-pais based on income.

If you would get rid of "The Rubber Room" (suspension) You would save NY alone 65 million a year! You could hire the best of the best..some of which have been put in that room for political reason..as writing a grievance the principal doesn't
like! dirty politics as usual..Nothing changes...The unions do nothing about it either!!!!IT Stinks!

Having been a board of education member in the past, let me suggest the teachers union may be a part of the problem. Keeping students in the classroom and teaching them might be an improvemen.t The pay scale isn't that bad!!!Every dollar that comes into the district cannot go to the teachers!Furthermore, I resent your 45 minute to one hour breaks plus lunch.

GetReal wrote:

<quoted text>We support a family of 8 on a teachers salary ad we too have master debts. It is about living with-in your means. You may not get rich, but given your age you have been teaching a few years and the pay scale is quite nice. And FYI if you are burdened by debt education loans can be re-pais based on income.

I worry about the newer teachers who have to come out of school with debt and are low on the pay scale, adding to that debt is going to take highly qualified people out of teaching. If they want teachers to get more education then they should (NYS) help pay for the courses. I think in this day and age everyone is living within their means, especially teachers.

patricia kenyon wrote:

Having been a board of education member in the past, let me suggest the teachers union may be a part of the problem. Keeping students in the classroom and teaching them might be an improvemen.t The pay scale isn't that bad!!!Every dollar that comes into the district cannot go to the teachers!Furthermore, I resent your 45 minute to one hour breaks plus lunch.

Please lets not make this about unions. Trust me alot of times it is the union that helps save teaching positions, teacher aide positions, teacher assistants, sometimes Board of Education members only hear what the administration wants them to hear.

Those so called "breaks" are actually called planning periods. They are times to make copies and prepare for classes later in the day or later in the week. Tell you what, I'll put up the number of hours I work as a teacher during a week to whatever job you have during the week and we'll see who works "harder." As a former BOE member, I would have hoped you would have known that - shows exactly what kind of elected official you were.

patricia kenyon wrote:

Having been a board of education member in the past, let me suggest the teachers union may be a part of the problem. Keeping students in the classroom and teaching them might be an improvemen.t The pay scale isn't that bad!!!Every dollar that comes into the district cannot go to the teachers!Furthermore, I resent your 45 minute to one hour breaks plus lunch.

independent voter wrote:

Steiner's record.....a lot on theory with no proven record of successful teaching at the high school level; especially in inner city high schools.
If you have the answers, intern in a city school for one year and show your effectiveness.

Make all the innovations you want, pay the teachers as much as they want, it will make no difference as long as teachers are trying to teach kids who don't want to learn.

IMHO success in the inner city begins in the home, and there are far too many broken families lost in a drug culture and welfare mentality. The kids are doomed before they reach kindergarten. Find a way to fix families and you won't need "innovations" to fix teachers.

I just wish they could use a little common sense. Is what you want the teachers to do the right thing for the students? Every successful person I know relates to a great teacher they had at one time.

ya jus gotta learn em good

Rich wrote:

I just wish they could use a little common sense. Is what you want the teachers to do the right thing for the students? Every successful person I know relates to a great teacher they had at one time.

Liberal thinking,I guess.

Most successful people I know[including myself] had decent parents and ambition,teachers were last on the list.

If you want to improve education,get rid of tenure,unions and contracts.

Do a good job and not teach your own thinking,keep your job,otherwise bye bye!

This once hired never fired crap needs to stop.Then again,I guess it won't.Liberals and government/funded employment is becoming such a large voting block it will never change.

Kinda like,the small snowball at the top of the hill,by time it reaches the bottom it's too large and too hard to control.

--Some states have a thing called "cyber school" and most students EXCEL above classroom teaching."Teachers", politicians and unions are horrified by the concept!

omg wrote:

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I worry about the newer teachers who have to come out of school with debt and are low on the pay scale, adding to that debt is going to take highly qualified people out of teaching. If they want teachers to get more education then they should (NYS) help pay for the courses. I think in this day and age everyone is living within their means, especially teachers.

It sounds like you believe future teachers never gave thought to the pay/benefits of their CHOSEN careers BEFORE entering it! No wonder the kids don't succeed. Teachers don't know how to look or plan ahead.

omg wrote:

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I worry about the newer teachers who have to come out of school with debt and are low on the pay scale, adding to that debt is going to take highly qualified people out of teaching. If they want teachers to get more education then they should (NYS) help pay for the courses. I think in this day and age everyone is living within their means, especially teachers.

Pretty much anyone who gets a masters degree comes out with debt. Teachers are no different. And many fields that require a masters degree (or don't require it, but good luck getting hired without one)pay less than teaching. I think the problem here is the difference between the high cost of education in this country and what people in helping professions are paid.

WNY CONSERVATIVE wrote:

WE NEED TO MONITOR ADMINISTRATORS TOO! A STANDARD FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT FOR AN ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS TO BE EXEMPLARY WORK AS A CLASSROOM TEACHER FOR A PERIOD OF AT LEAST 5 YEARS PRIOR TO ACCEPTANCE IN ADMINISTRATION TRAINING.

I will agree with this. Why should we have administrators who have not a smidgen of a clue on what it's like to actually teach?

patricia kenyon wrote:

Having been a board of education member in the past, let me suggest the teachers union may be a part of the problem. Keeping students in the classroom and teaching them might be an improvemen.t The pay scale isn't that bad!!!Every dollar that comes into the district cannot go to the teachers!Furthermore, I resent your 45 minute to one hour breaks plus lunch.

Ohh what a shock, a board member not in favor of the union.... whoda thunk it?

Performance-based assessments should be applied for all teachers. There are still some teachers who have yet to really earn the first paycheck they have received.
Yes, students must be willing to learn but there is a need for teachers who want to actually teach & not just be in the building for a paycheck. No offense intended for the real teachers out there.