Robyn Drown and Graydon Drown were charged with criminal neglect and their children taken away.

Thank you to Graydon Drown for taking my sister away so many years ago. Thank you for treating her like an animal and beating my nieces and nephews. Thank you to your parents who lived next door to you in California and heard the beatings you gave to your first three children, and knew how my sister was being treated, but did nothing. To Graydons parents, thank you that when you testified in court in California you did not tell the truth so that your son would be put in jail. You ‘said enough’ really? If you had said enough, this might have stopped, and Robyn would have been given a chance to raise her children in the safety and peace they deserved. Thanks for not ever telling my parents what was happening so that we could help. Thank you to your sister, who worked for DHS in California, when she found bruises on the children, for not calling my parents so that they could have helped Robyn out of that situation, but kept it to herself.

Thank you to the lawyers for Graydon Drown who worked so hard in his defense by trying to bring Robyn down to his level. Thank you all (the judge, the DA, DHS, the Jewish Community, the children’s lawer and Graydons lawyer) for accomplishing what Graydon Drown threatened for 22 years to do, that if Robyn ever left him he would rob her of her children. Yeah! You did it for him!!!!

And thank you to the jury for finding my sister guilty of heinous crimes that she was charged with, but the children's testimony clearly stated she did not participate in, or know of. How do you sleep at night?

Thank you to the DA in this case for vilifying my father by asking him “Why he didn’t do anything to help Robyn out of the horrible living conditions she was in?” I wonder though, why didn’t you ask any of the Jewish community the same question? After all, they had ‘lived’ amongst them for more than two years.
Thank you to the judge in this case for sentencing my sister to such an excessive sentence since you decided my sister didn’t ‘look’ like an abused wife or a victim of domestic violence. Do they normally wear name tags that say “Hello, I’m an abused wife?” Or, as the PROFEFESSIONALS state, do victims of domestic violence come in all shapes, sizes, colors and socio-economic backgrounds? Did the children ‘look’ like abused children? No one in the Jewish community recognized it ( and their so darn smart, you know.) One of the witnesses in this case had been a foster parent for 25 years and NEVER saw anything that triggered any worry about these children. Do you think that maybe Robyn and the children had to learn to hide it to survive? Do you have to be stupid and illiterate to be abused?
Thank you to “Rabbi” Perlstein and Les Guttfrend that when my precious nephews came to YOU for help you didn’t immediately report the abuse, but sent them back into that house for more than two weeks to gather ‘evidence’ to prove that they were abused. That recording of my niece being whipped is courtesy of these two ‘men’(and I use that term loosely.) Had they reported it immediately she would have NEVER received that beating. Thank you for protecting them. You should be so proud of yourselves.
Thank you to “four of seven” who, by the way, is one of the foster parents that has two of my nephews, for all of the lies and filth you have posted on the internet. When you stated it was ‘creepy’ that we sat outside of the court room every day of the trial you failed to add that all of the children were so happy to see us, that they had to be kept from running to us and hugging us before they were taken into the courtroom to testify. That when they emerged from their testimony they were welcomed into our arms and clung to their grandparents, aunt, and older siblings that were there to support their mother and THEM, as well.
Thank you to the children’s lawyer and to DHS who now oppose these precious children being placed with our family. It is the law in Oregon that family is supposed to be considered first, but without even interviewing me, you have made it clear that we will never be allowed to raise them. What kind of damage will it do to these children to think that their family did not want them?

Heather, I know you are angry, and hurt for your sister, yourself, your parents and your family, and of course your neices and nephews.

I just wanted to mention that building a moat, and accusing everyone around you that could have any exposure to the situation, could do more harm than good, when it comes to a future relationship with robyn or the children. Striking out at anything and everything that moves is a non-productive fright-or-flight reaction, but it could have consequences moving forward in terms of alienating potential friends who will have the children in the future, and may limit your access to your sister.

I am sorry that you feel my parents and sister did not do enough. I thought they were the only reason Charles, Nadia, and Anya got away in the 1st place, and then they raised them the best they could during their golden years as a second family. In Fact as the trustee and executor of my fathers estate and will, they are treated as if they were direct children like myself and siblings (with the execption of Graydon). My sister turned them into the cps in california and that is why she was threatened by graydon and the children were taught to hate her.
I know you hurt, but please don't lash out headlessly, it does not benefit you, and when written on blog for public record, it will not strengthen your ability to spend future time with your sister, and the children as they grow up.
We all hurt, and wish things were different, but moving forward is still the only option in my book.
-Wes Drown

Heather, my heart goes out to you and your parents. To lose a Sister or loved one to an almost life sentence in jail must be extremely hard
I sympathies with your pain , but please stop lashing out at everybody and blaming anybody
your case would be much more convincing to me and everybody else if you thought of the children first
With this lash out on blame we wonder if you would end up blaming the two older boys. Look at the truth Robyn has failed her children in fundamental needs.You would Do more for Robyn and the children by not blaming , but by facing the facts. These children were neglected, abused and hurt.Sending these children to someone who fails to see the mothers guilt would be a big mistake.continued, take heed in what David said , he is the one who lived the pain not you, you live a different pain,
So stop lashing out.
Start looking at what a wonderfull job all the foster parents have done with these children
These children were a gift . they are talented beautiful clever , musical children reaching their
full potential now .Something that Robyn and Graydon completely failed to do or appreciate the gift they were given very few woman can bear 12 children.
Lets stop arguing and blaming and let these children continue to grow and move on away from all the hate and blame. They Deserve that much.

Nicely said, Wes. Your mom & dad went above & beyond the call of duty, as did your sis. At some point every one of us needs to take responsibility when these things happen, whether it's family or acquaintances, even those we don't know. Everyone involved here has been hurt, most especially those kids. The whole concept of taking responsibility for one's own actions is at play, something that doesn't just involve Graydon or Robyn, but everyone. There's something wrong when this kind of thing can go on so long without notice, not that I'm into any Big Brother thing but I've seen way too many that really shouldn't have kids. There were signs years ago, before they ever even had Anya, that something was amiss but how far is it to be taken?

I don't have any answers to the many questions, that's for certain. I understand when people talk of justice having been the victim of violent crime in my immediate family. I question the need for justice at the expense of the children, wonder where the parenting instruction was before they were born. I don't blame one parent over the other since I wasn't there to witness anything but do know what I experienced, what my feelings were & are about them; that matters little to the children who have to live with it all.

The amount of anger you're expressing, Heather, isn't good - for you or the kids - despite being understandable. One needs to be able to stop & think first, especially when it comes to the well-being of children. It all stinks but how can we prevent it from happening in the future? I was in an abusive marriage & ran the minute it appeared my child was at risk. I found a way, no, it wasn't easy, but done because it had to be. We always have a choice in life; taking out your anger serves no one.

Tell your sis hi for me Wes, & your mom too.

If any of you have been abused then you might understand what not only the children, but robyn as well was going thru and if you have not experienced abuse then you should all try to put yourselves in robyns position. I'm not saying that it was ok for her to continue to put her children in that kind of enviroment, but none of you have the right to sit here and point your fingers because while you may not have done or would ever do what she is accused of, we've all made our own mistakes and we damn sure have our own flaws. I truly think the sentence that robyn drowns was given is completly fucked and i hope that the judge feels horrible inside for what they have done!!!!!!

Stephanie, Apparently you do not actually know Ms Drown or what SHE her self with free will actually did to her children. The trial was only for actual events of abuse occuring between January and June of last year. Her sentence is only for things that happened in those SIX months. Considering more of the same had been going on for years and years, even with the first three kids (the ones Robyn chose to abandon to be with her sick husband) her sentence is far less than what she deserved. She had no excuse for the things shs allowed or the things she did.
Her children will have to live with what was done to them FOREVER.

Robyn Drown is not "accused". She is convicted. A jury who hear everything including the children, the spouse abuse "expert" witness as well as Ms Drown's own VERY lengthy testimony.
Ms Drown has always been wrapped up in her own life. Her children where props for her madonna fantasy. She did not leave her abusive marriage because she did not want too. If the arrest did not happen the Robyn Drown would still be pretending to be the mother of one big happy family.
I am guessing that everyone involved is feeling relieved that BOTH these abusers will not be able to lay a hand on the children again. I doubt that the Judge has lost a moment's sleep over locking her up and protecting the children.

Robyn and Graydon Drown's sentences assures that neither parent will be released from prison before the youngest child is over 21 years old. The children will be safe from further parental neglect, abuse and indoctrination to the parents crazy "make it up as you go along" religious doctrine.

If this entire thread had not been gutted of any truth by the bitching and moaning of family you would know that the Drown's where offered a plea for 9 years.

With typical arrogance they did not take it. the plea bargain was not accepted. Instead the Drown's went to trial, KNOWING that their children would have to testify in court. They were more intrested in saving their own butts than sparing their children pain. But then not considering the safety and wellbeing of their children was the problem in the first place.

Bottom line Robyn and Graydon Drown were doomed by their own arrogance. They took a chance and they LOST. They should both be THANKFUL to the Judge that they are serving most of their sentences concurently and just SHUT UP and do their time.

and Stephanie, What exactly is a "fair" sentence for the crime of systematically destroying nine children?

Why doesn't post #169 show up on "Internet Explorer", the search engine we use at work- but does appear on " Mozilla"? What happened to post # 170???? It must have been VERY offensive if it was removed from both servers, yet Heather Larson's loosely jointed rantings, insulting and offended just about everyone involved BUT one of the two convicted abusers remains... Interesting.

BTW, we have to ask who the source for Larson "information"? Because what she stated here has no basis in reality. We recommend that she get a transcript of the trial.

We are "judged" as mean and nuts for asking what happened to almost 100 of the posts on this thread?

As for Heather Larson,we simply suggested she learn the truth. We where told about this thread and especially about her scathing posts a while back. Looks like what we heard is true. Apparently, she actually did make serious accusations things about people she does not know and situations she clearly does not have the actual facts on. And she did this in a public forum , assuming she will not be claiming "Stockholm Syndrome" as a defense, she did so of her own free will. so, it is our opinion that no one can possibly write anything about her that is worse than what she has claimed about people who did nothing except protect her sister's innocent children from further abuse and neglect.

i find it "odd" that there are 5 of each "judge it's" on post #278...... it leans towards the possibility someone (a hater) LOGGED OUT AND JUDGED ANONYMOUSLY 5 TIMES EACH!!!! coincidence??? i think not...... next time change it up a bit, ok?? it'll make all the frowney faces seem more credible, Genius!!!

oh my, it's not nice to judge your extended family!
not to mention how much time it takes, does someone need to be on medication?

Jimmy David wrote:

i find it "odd" that there are 5 of each "judge it's" on post #278...... it leans towards the possibility someone (a hater) LOGGED OUT AND JUDGED ANONYMOUSLY 5 TIMES EACH!!!! coincidence??? i think not...... next time change it up a bit, ok?? it'll make all the frowney faces seem more credible, Genius!!!

Jim,

Post 178 and 179 seem to have gone the way of the other "offensive" posts. By which I mean those that do not support Robyn Drown's families group delusion.

I gave you a nose glasses face anyway,'cuz you gave me a bit of a giggle!

If ignorance is bliss then thank so much for your thoughtful help in assuring all the readers here on TOPIX can continue to remain so very blissful.

Piece Out!

Don't any of you have anything better to do than continually slander my family's name?! I am especially ashamed of my family (BOTH sides) who, although they have phone numbers or could obtain them, choose to fight so publicly. This is not only harmful to my siblings and myself, but gives proof to anyone who cares to read that our family, despite all that we have been through, does not have a united front, and would rather gossip and spit hatred and filth at one another than actually DO anything to help my siblings. Yes, they are wonderful, talented, resilient kids, but as anyone can see with Anya, Charles and myself, sometimes it takes more. Thank God we had Granny and Papa; who knows what would have become of us if we had been forgotten the way that the nine younger have. It is so easy for everyone to sit in their nice comfortable lives and turn their eyes from the real problems. Ignorance really is bliss. And outsiders: for those of you who think that you know anything about this situation, YOU DON'T. Had you known as much as you claim to my mother would not be in prison. So STOP, EVERYONE. Leave my family alone.

Since writing the above, I would like to apologize to family members who have read this and been offended. Those of you (you know who you are) who have contributed to the happiness and welfare of all 12 of us should be exempt from my accusations of complacency. For you I only meant to criticize your choice to battle publicly. This is all proof of how the internet is ruining society. Again, I am sorry, please except this apology along with my promise to never again chastise my family online as I accused them of doing to one another.
Dictated by Nadia to proxy

November 19, 1976

Dear co-workers with Christ,

It seems very possibly God has once again revealed something NEW to us, and important. Actually the TRUTH--which has become the accepted and official teaching at this Church--started under most unusual conditions, This is GOD'S Church, and it, in this present era, rose up in this world whose God is (though the world is deceived into ignorance of it) Satan the Devil. It is like a sprout of GOOD wheat sprouting up among thorns, thistles, and briers.

We are not "just another Protestant church." It is true that Baptists, fundamental Methodists, and other Protestant denominations, do teach some things as we do--but they have the branches and twigs of the tree--NOT ONE OF THEM has the real TRUNK of the tree--with its MAIN BRANCHES.

In other words, not one of them knows what spiritual salvation really is, what the KINGDOM OF GOD (Christ's whole Gospel) really is, WHY God put humanity here on earth: WHAT is our real ultimate human POTENTIAL, or HOW we shall reach it. They know not God's PURPOSE, nor His MASTER PLAN for working it out. They do not know why we are here, where we are going, or THE WAY. Those are the BIG, MAIN branches of the tree of knowledge. They are the MISSING DIMENSION in knowledge.

So we are utterly UNLIKE any other church!
I personally was DUMBFOUNDED when I discovered, late in 1926, that my Protestant Sunday School teaching had been the VERY OPPOSITE of what the Bible SAYS. I have been shocked beyond measure to find that humanity, including those in Christianity, or all religions in general--and with VERY infinitesimal FEW exceptions--really do NOT BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAYS.

Adam and Eve listened as God first instructed them--revealed knowledge and truth to them in the GARDEN OF EDEN. But THEY DID NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID. Instead, they believed what Satan said.
Shocking? You don't believe that statement? Open your Bible and read it for yourself! Or, are YOU willing to believe what Christ SAYS there? For He is the personal WORD OF GOD, and the Bible is His word in writing--the written WORD OF GOD. I BELIEVE what it says, for it is what CHRIST says!

Jesus came over 1,900 years ago with a vital MESSAGE from God--but after 3 1/2 years of preaching it to hundreds of thousands, only 120 still BELIEVED WHAT HE SAID (Acts 1:15}. I do BELIEVE what He says! Let me tell you how it came about.
As the Apostle Paul was traveling the OPPOSITE WAY from GOD'S way until God struck him down and revealed Christ’s TRUTH to him, so was I putting my whole heart into business--unconcerned about God or HIS TRUTH. This is how GOD turned me around, opened my mind, poured His TRUTH into it.

He used the wife of my youth in my conversion. He opened her mind to the TRUTH of His Sabbath. This was like a bolt of lightning to me--only the bolt STRUCK ME straight through! To me it was religious fanaticism! At the same time I was challenged by a sister-in-law into an angry but diligent and thorough study and research into the theory of EVOLUTION as opposed to creation by the Creator God. Both caused me to study Genesis. Of course I studied everything I could get hold of on Darwinism and evolution--the works of Huxley, Haeckel, Lyell, Spencer, Voght, Chamberlain, etc., etc.

I began to see that my childhood Protestant teaching was the OPPOSITE of biblical teaching. My intensive study into science and the Bible PROVED the existence of God, and the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY of the Bible as His WORD--His revealed KNOWLEDGE to man.
I remember what a shock it was to read in Romans 6:23 that THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. When in a Protestant Sunday School I had been taught the wages--or what we got paid--for SIN was ETERNAL LIFE in an ever-burning hellfire--that I would burn and burn forever, yet never come to be burned up. I was equally shocked to read the last part of the same sentence--but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. I did not know eternal life had to be received as a GIFT--I was taught that I already had eternal life--I was an IMMORTAL SOUL.
To make a long story short, the first six months of this diligent, almost night and day STUDY IN DEPTH, made me realize how WRONG I had been--in how I lived--in what I believed--in almost every way. It brought me to a state of literally GIVING UP everything I had believed--starting all over again from scratch realizing the BIBLE was GOD REVEALING TRUE BASIC KNOWLEDGE. It brought about a complete conversion by the Spring of 1927. I came to feel everything about me had been WRONG--NO GOOD--I compared myself to a worthless hunk of burned-out junk unworthy to throw on the junk pile.
I think FEW have ever had preconceived beliefs, ideas, opinions, so thoroughly ERASED from their minds--able to look at the BIBLE as God literally speaking to me [in print]--giving me KNOWLEDGE that was true!
But God was calling me to a VERY SPECIAL COMMISSION. In many ways He had prepared me in certain experiences--most UNUSUAL experiences--in early life from age 16 for my future calling.
In other words, God brought me to a WILLINGNESS to completely OPEN MY MIND to His revelation of TRUTH--even though it was often truth I did not like to receive.

I have been CLOSED to Christ's message.
Another vital NEW TRUTH God revealed to me was our identification as the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matt. 10:6}--as distinguished from the Jews (see booklet, United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy).
Another was the FACT that ANGELS first inhabited this earth, prior to Adam. That the GOVERNMENT OF GOD was established on earth over them, and that they sinned (II Peter 2:4), rejected GOD'S GOVERNMENT, rebelled, and went their own way of DESTRUCTION AND DARKNESS, instead of God's way of CONSTRUCTION and LIGHT.
Although I learned early many of these BASIC TRUTHS, God did not commit to me His GREAT COMMISSION until I had been severely tried and tested--by opposition, persecution, hardship, giving up everything my heart had been previously set on. The commitment to me of the GREAT COMMISSION came when I was 40 years old--almost SEVEN YEARS after I was first called by being challenged into Bible study.
IsraIn those early days of getting Christ’s last MESSAGE to the people, I had to start in the VERY SMALLEST manner possible. I first spoke over radio in October, 1933. I proclaimed, for five days straight, the KINGDOM OF GOD, showing the PROMISES were made to ABRAHAM--that they were for inheritance of the EARTH, not heaven--that Christ was going to return to EARTH and rule here for a thousand years. Hundreds were SHOCKED! They looked in their Bibles, as I had asked them, to the very scriptures I gave them.
They went to their ministers. They said to them, why have YOU been preaching to me just the OPPOSITE of what the Bible says, showing the scriptures to their ministers. That brought persecution from the ministers, but people began to LISTEN.

On January 8, 1934 the program then called Radio Church of God, went on the air, never to cease to this day. Audiences GREW.I had to take it on FAITH.
Once, when I had to leave home in two minutes for the broadcast, without the money to pay (as I had to in advance) for that morning's broadcast, a man came to the front door, saying, "Here's my tithe," and left running. It was 10 dollars. Another time I was walking to the station for a broadcast, and the money HAD NOT COME. But a man met me on the way, and handed me the money.
ALWAYS, one way or another, the money came. This was a WORK of FAITH. It was the work of GOD!
In those early days I was especially interested in the book of Ezekiel. A special reason was that I saw Ezekiel was first given GOD’S message in PROPHECY, while he was a Jewish slave, by the River Chebar in the land of Babylon. Now this was close to 120 years after the House of ISRAEL had been taken captive to ASSYRIA.
I began to see that my childhood Protestant teaching was the OPPOSITE of biblical teaching. My intensive study into science and the Bible PROVED the existence of God, and the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY of the Bible as His WORD--His revealed KNOWLEDGE to man.
I remember what a shock it was to read in Romans 6:23 that THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. When in a Protestant Sunday School I had been taught the wages--or what we got paid--for SIN was ETERNAL LIFE in an ever-burning hellfire--that I would burn and burn forever, yet never come to be burned up. I was equally shocked to read the last part of the same sentence--but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. I did not know eternal life had to be received as a GIFT--I was taught that I already had eternal life--I was an IMMORTAL SOUL.
To make a long story short, the first six months of this diligent, almost night and day STUDY IN DEPTH, made me realize how WRONG I had been--in how I lived--in what I believed--in almost every way. It brought me to a state of literally GIVING UP everything I had believed--starting all over again from scratch realizing the BIBLE was GOD REVEALING TRUE BASIC KNOWLEDGE.