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Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation?

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Bill

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Oct 28, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?

Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."

It is evident that we are pressing for a clear statement of how conservatives determine which doctrinal errors condemn, and conservatives are strongly resisting making such a statement. Perhaps Shawn Paden will explain this more clearly.
You see, the thing is: Many conservatives have checklists such as Daniel Sommer, David Lipscomb, H. Leo Boles, Thomas Warren, Bert Thompson, Goebel Music, etc., etc., etc. The conservativs have never been reluctant to draw salvation lines or offer checklists. They don’t agree with each other on just which doctrinal errors result in apostasy or why, but they do seem to agree on the drawing of lines and making of lists.

All I ask from Shawn Paden is the scriptural basis for one brother saying he believes that the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian and another brother says by Word only.

What of the man who worships with an instrument honestly believing that he is acting in obedience to God’s will? Why is he damned, given that not all error damns per your excusing two brethren disagreeing over the doctrine of the Holy Spirit
What of the man who honestly believes that he is acting in obedience to God’s will when he believes in the personal indwelling of the Spirit ? Is he damned or not damned? Shawn sides with this brother but condemns the brother who worships with an instrument.

This is common practice from these men. They pick and choose and make the rules and break the rules.
Bill

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Oct 28, 2009
 
Waiting Shawn....
Bill

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Oct 28, 2009
 
still waiting Shawn
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Nov 15, 2009
 
Doctrinal uniformity is not the distinctive mark of the New Testament Church. Jesus defined that too clearly to miss:

“By this shall all men know you are my disciples by the way you love one another.”
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Nov 16, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?

Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."
HEATH

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Nov 16, 2009
 
2 John 9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

How much error will you accept before you say ENOUGH? 50% error? 75% error?

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HEATH

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Nov 16, 2009
 
"All I ask from Shawn Paden is the scriptural basis for one brother saying he believes that the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian and another brother says by Word only."

Progressive Bill's straw-man.

ALL teach the Holy Spirit indwells a Christian.

I've answered this many times over. It's all you have. You've got nothing else.

You've not yet explained how the Holy Spirit leads some to infant baptism and others to believers baptism.

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Bill

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Nov 16, 2009
 
You've not yet explained how you and other brethren hold two different doctrinal views from reading the same written word. So much for unity and speaking the same things

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?

Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."

Johnnie, since Shawn CANT answer, you care to give it a shot?
HEATH

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Nov 17, 2009
 
Bill wrote:
You've not yet explained how you and other brethren hold two different doctrinal views from reading the same written word. So much for unity and speaking the same things
You've not yet explained how the Holy Spirit leads some to infant baptism and others to believers baptism.

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Nov 17, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?
Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."
Johnnie, since Shawn CANT answer, you care to give it a shot?
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Nov 17, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?

Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."

Johnnie, since Shawn CANT answer, you care to give it a shot? No spin, please ;)

WAITING...
HEATH

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Nov 17, 2009
 
"Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation,"

2 John 9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Infant baptism is not in the doctrine of Christ.

Once saved always saved is not in the doctrine of Christ.

Instrumental music in worship is not in the doctrine of Christ.

Female pastors are not in the doctrine of Christ.

The Lord's Supper once a month is not in the doctrine of Christ.

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Bill

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Nov 17, 2009
 
Now that you have named others error, are you willing to expose yours? Come forth from the closet Shawn. Pick up the rug and sweep that dirt away. You know the issues within the Churches of Christ but you wish to hide them while exposing others.
HEATH

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Nov 17, 2009
 
Bill wrote:
Now that you have named others error, are you willing to expose yours? Come forth from the closet Shawn. Pick up the rug and sweep that dirt away. You know the issues within the Churches of Christ but you wish to hide them while exposing others.
C'mon Bill, you said you were finished.

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Lindy

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Nov 17, 2009
 
Please post your preaching in Jamacia again.I cannot find it.
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Nov 18, 2009
 
Lindy wrote:
Please post your preaching in Jamacia again.I cannot find it.
http://www.bibletalktv.org/Videos.php...
Bill

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Nov 19, 2009
 
Paul singled out one individual in the Corinthian church for disfellowship. It was not for doctrinal error but for immorality. He also taught them a few other grounds for disfellowship, including anyone who is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. Still, no doctrinal matters on the list. John added to that list those who teach that Jesus did not come in the flesh. That is a doctrinal matter, but one at the very core of the gospel. So, yes, there do exist grounds for disfellowship. But IM is not on the list.

I recognize that many believe IM is sinful and costs those who practice it their souls. I am firmly convinced that they are wrong, but I don’t have any delusions that I can convince them of that. I would never encourage such a person to worship with an instrument, and I would oppose anyone who so encouraged them. In “mixed company” I refrain from IM. Given our disagreement, I think that is as far as it is reasonable for you to expect me to go. In exchange, I would ask that anti-IM folks cease from condemning me for living by what I understand from the scriptures. Let God decide the matter. Let’s get on with life as fellow baptized believers, brothers and sisters, children of God. Let’s stop the fighting.
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Nov 19, 2009
 
bill says

Paul singled out one individual in the Corinthian church for disfellowship. It was not for doctrinal error but for immorality.

how about 1Cor 11:19?

change the LS... is that doctrine
Bill

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Nov 19, 2009
 
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved?

Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will."
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