good ole boys

How did they wrote:

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How could they have addressed the rush hour traffic? Which businesses have been "chased away"?

I am in the Real Estate field and I can tell you the Springboro Community has been difficult to deal with in bringing new business here.

It's a well known fact that Developers and Commercial Real Estate Brokers will concur and don't like coming here to work with Officials.

Some examples:

Cracker Barrel wanted to build at I-75 and St.Rt.73 on the Springboro side. Approx. 60-70% of their sales come from Interstate traffic. Planning Commission and Zoning would not allow a High Rise sign.

Cracker Barrel walked away from Springboro and went to Middletown to build their Restuarant and it is one of their highest grossing units located at (exit 32). There is no give with Springboro officials. I believe that there is a shortage of Restaurants in our community and this one would of been a good nugget to get.

McDonald's on St. Rt. 73 wanted to build a new Restaurant on an out lot next to Appleby's. They would of closed there exisiting unit with a new, larger, better equipped facility. The current McDonald's is also one of the highest grossing units in their Regional area.

The Planning Commission wanted the drive thru to face a different direction than McDonald's Officials.

McDonald's wanted this location because their Impact Studies showed that they would pick up 20% additional sales from the Interstate with the new location. More jobs, etc.

After a long battle with Springboro officials...McDonald's walked away from Springboro, called Franklin and built a new Restaurant on the Franklin side of St. Rt. 73.

The Franklin location opening has negatively impacted the sales at the Springboro Restaurant 30%. Jobs and sales were shifted to the City of Franklin.

Business loss wrote:

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I am in the Real Estate field and I can tell you the Springboro Community has been difficult to deal with in bringing new business here.
It's a well known fact that Developers and Commercial Real Estate Brokers will concur and don't like coming here to work with Officials.
Some examples:
Cracker Barrel wanted to build at I-75 and St.Rt.73 on the Springboro side. Approx. 60-70% of their sales come from Interstate traffic. Planning Commission and Zoning would not allow a High Rise sign.
Cracker Barrel walked away from Springboro and went to Middletown to build their Restuarant and it is one of their highest grossing units located at (exit 32). There is no give with Springboro officials. I believe that there is a shortage of Restaurants in our community and this one would of been a good nugget to get.
McDonald's on St. Rt. 73 wanted to build a new Restaurant on an out lot next to Appleby's. They would of closed there exisiting unit with a new, larger, better equipped facility. The current McDonald's is also one of the highest grossing units in their Regional area.
The Planning Commission wanted the drive thru to face a different direction than McDonald's Officials.
McDonald's wanted this location because their Impact Studies showed that they would pick up 20% additional sales from the Interstate with the new location. More jobs, etc.
After a long battle with Springboro officials...McDonald's walked away from Springboro, called Franklin and built a new Restaurant on the Franklin side of St. Rt. 73.
The Franklin location opening has negatively impacted the sales at the Springboro Restaurant 30%. Jobs and sales were shifted to the City of Franklin.

and you can thank the head of the planning committee, Herr Belpulsi.

Business loss wrote:

After a long battle with Springboro officials...McDonald's walked away from Springboro, called Franklin and built a new Restaurant on the Franklin side of St. Rt. 73.
The Franklin location opening has negatively impacted the sales at the Springboro Restaurant 30%. Jobs and sales were shifted to the City of Franklin.

On this note I would have to think that McDonalds would have forseen the impacted sales seing as how good they are at managing their business. So I question your comment.

On another note I do know they can't figure traffic flow and parking. Go to Drug Mart and look how they wanted the traffic layed out for the light across from Roosters. That whole shopping center should have had better entrance and exit from the beginning not after the fact. IGA is another example.

The allowance for parking space is also silly. Way to tight to park in alot of areas around town.

Are the Planning Commision members knowledgable? I don't think so. I think it is more of a hobby for some and bragging rights for others. Be carefull what you brag about LOL!

Yes, McDonald's knew it was going to impact the existing Springboro store if they built in Franklin by their impact studies.

The point is, they wanted to rebuild the Springboro location moving closer to the interstate on the outlot next to Appleby's.

If Springboro officals would of worked with them-Springboro would of won on all fronts. We would have a new Restaurant with more amenities, McD would of had the increased sales they wanted and needed to realize to justify their return on investment.

The Franklin Restaurant thus would of NEVER been built. Seems pretty trivial that the Planning Commission would not budge on the positioning of the new Springboro drive thru.

Springboro now looses because jobs are shifted to Franklin, sales, tax base, etc.

Your points on the parking lot layout, traffic flow/ingress-egress of the IGA Center, Springboro Pointe, and the small shopping center where Liberty Bank is located is an engineering travesty and customer nuisance.

If you discuss this with the Business Owners and Developers of these properties you will certainly get an earful about Springboro officials.

all the business the chased away across from DLM because they would not allow parking spaces in the front by the street

dont forget wrote:

all the business the chased away across from DLM because they would not allow parking spaces in the front by the street

Parking in front would then require more stoplights on 741 I would think. Think traffic is bad now,wait till Austin is complete.

Always Question wrote:

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Parking in front would then require more stoplights on 741 I would think. Think traffic is bad now,wait till Austin is complete.

Why would parking in front (think like DLM's parking lot) cause more stop lights?

dont forget wrote:

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Why would parking in front (think like DLM's parking lot) cause more stop lights?

You would have to have entrances and exits onto 741. Thus more stop lights for safety. If you have a feeder road in back; as is now, you can get traffic out to a side street light instead there for less lights that slow down 741.

I heard awhile back that Texas Roadhouse wanted to put in a restaurant at Dorthy Lane. The folks of Settlers Walk had a hissy fit. So instead they got a classy BW3's. WOW!!! LOL

Business loss wrote:

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I am in the Real Estate field and I can tell you the Springboro Community has been difficult to deal with in bringing new business here.
It's a well known fact that Developers and Commercial Real Estate Brokers will concur and don't like coming here to work with Officials.
Some examples:
Cracker Barrel wanted to build at I-75 and St.Rt.73 on the Springboro side. Approx. 60-70% of their sales come from Interstate traffic. Planning Commission and Zoning would not allow a High Rise sign.
Cracker Barrel walked away from Springboro and went to Middletown to build their Restuarant and it is one of their highest grossing units located at (exit 32). There is no give with Springboro officials. I believe that there is a shortage of Restaurants in our community and this one would of been a good nugget to get.
McDonald's on St. Rt. 73 wanted to build a new Restaurant on an out lot next to Appleby's. They would of closed there exisiting unit with a new, larger, better equipped facility. The current McDonald's is also one of the highest grossing units in their Regional area.
The Planning Commission wanted the drive thru to face a different direction than McDonald's Officials.
McDonald's wanted this location because their Impact Studies showed that they would pick up 20% additional sales from the Interstate with the new location. More jobs, etc.
After a long battle with Springboro officials...McDonald's walked away from Springboro, called Franklin and built a new Restaurant on the Franklin side of St. Rt. 73.
The Franklin location opening has negatively impacted the sales at the Springboro Restaurant 30%. Jobs and sales were shifted to the City of Franklin.

And what about the empty building McDonalds would have left behind if they would have moved 100 yards down the road near Applebees???? And that's what we need - more high rise signs......If you are only talking about fast food restaurants that have been "chased" away - that shouldn't bother anyone at all.

How did they wrote:

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And what about the empty building McDonalds would have left behind if they would have moved 100 yards down the road near Applebees???? And that's what we need - more high rise signs......If you are only talking about fast food restaurants that have been "chased" away - that shouldn't bother anyone at all.

I believe you are missing some key points.

Any business has the right to try and maximize their sales in the Marketplace. McDonald's wanted to move down the road next to Applby's because their research indicated it would increase their sales 20%.

The Market will determine what price and what conditions the old restaurant could of been purchased for. Why penalize the business from improving sales, amenities, equipment improvements, customer conveniances, etc.?

Do you have to guarantee the sale of your house before you can build or purchase another one?

More tax base to Springboro would of been realized by the additional sales McDonald's would of attained and the new jobs would not of been given away to Franklin.

You appear to want to penalize McDonald's for bettering themselves. Would you of also penalized Domino's, Page's Carpet, Wade Insurance, Dr. Bruce and Becky Hartle, Scott Fleischel, to name a few when they relocated their business's? Is it fair to ask them to sublease their current space before they are permitted to move? I don't think so.

Cracker Barrel is not fast food. They are a family restaurant with an outstanding reputation. Currently there are no High Rise Signs at the intersection of St. Rt. 73 and I-75. Wendy's and Arby's are grandfathered in by their signage however it certainly is not considered High Rises.

Cracker Barrel needed the High Rise to bring in 60-70% of their sales (which are prven to come from the interstate). Their restaurants are always built at interstate locations and the sales from that and the local community are needed to obtain profitability and ROI (Return on Investment).

Wouldn't it of been nice to have a Family Restaurant of that magnitude here in Springboro?

Found it interesting: The official results of Warren county indicated Wolfe and Vomacka deadlocked at 629 votes each for Ward 1.

More interesting is that Wolfe is behind in his taxes for a year.
He should not even be allowed to sit on a city board or commission.

Pro Springboro wrote:

More interesting is that Wolfe is behind in his taxes for a year.
He should not even be allowed to sit on a city board or commission.

I doubt that you are Pro Springboro. Sounds to me like you are more about "YOU".

Do you always believe everything you read?

Remember the old saying- "those that throw stones..."

Pro Springboro wrote:

More interesting is that Wolfe is behind in his taxes for a year.
He should not even be allowed to sit on a city board or commission.

why, because he isn't one of your good ole boys?

IF you don't believe me then check the Warren County tax records - it is public record.
Could careless IF the person is a 'good ole boy' or 'good for Springboro'- just want wants best for the city! AND a leader/council member not paying taxes is NOT an example that I want nor should the residents of Springboro!

Pro Springboro wrote:

IF you don't believe me then check the Warren County tax records - it is public record.
Could careless IF the person is a 'good ole boy' or 'good for Springboro'- just want wants best for the city! AND a leader/council member not paying taxes is NOT an example that I want nor should the residents of Springboro!

It would probably be to your advantage to stop commenting on someone's personal affairs without knowing all the FACTS.

What don't we know about you-and who really cares?

Still sorry that you live here.

Pro Springboro wrote:

IF you don't believe me then check the Warren County tax records - it is public record.
Could careless IF the person is a 'good ole boy' or 'good for Springboro'- just want wants best for the city! AND a leader/council member not paying taxes is NOT an example that I want nor should the residents of Springboro!

if you feel that strongly about stuff like that, ask the mayor to step down for LYING about receiving the silver star. works both ways, slick.

We were talking about Mike Wolfe - you went off the subject.
As far as the Mayor, he is an honorable man - the silver star businesss was misquoted BUT YOU cannot let go!
As for Mike Wolfe, he needs to get his finances in order BEFORE he is a Council Member!

Sorry I live here???!!! I have only been here 3 plus years and I am saddenned by all the 'hatered' you spew! You should be embarressed! You are fortunate to have wonderful schools, a beautiful city and a city gov't that is involved and cares about the residents and this city!

Springboro is a privileged city! AND fortunate to have people that live here (work here) that care about it!

You have TOO much time on your hands IF you spend time on this blog!

Pro Springboro wrote:

We were talking about Mike Wolfe - you went off the subject.
As far as the Mayor, he is an honorable man - the silver star businesss was misquoted BUT YOU cannot let go!
As for Mike Wolfe, he needs to get his finances in order BEFORE he is a Council Member!
Sorry I live here???!!! I have only been here 3 plus years and I am saddenned by all the 'hatered' you spew! You should be embarressed! You are fortunate to have wonderful schools, a beautiful city and a city gov't that is involved and cares about the residents and this city!
Springboro is a privileged city! AND fortunate to have people that live here (work here) that care about it!
You have TOO much time on your hands IF you spend time on this blog!

whatever you say, Sara.