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I have lived in Springboro for many years, and it is becoming very clear that the residents of Springboro feel threatened and intimidated by Springboro Police.

The stories are endless with this department.

I think its time to disband Springboro Police, bring in Warren County Sheriff to police Springboro.

The police Chief came from a very questionable background, and he's become the town bully in Springboro.

Anyone else feel Springboro Police should go?
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Reformer wrote:
I have lived in Springboro for many years, and it is becoming very clear that the residents of Springboro feel threatened and intimidated by Springboro Police.
The stories are endless with this department.
I think its time to disband Springboro Police, bring in Warren County Sheriff to police Springboro.
The police Chief came from a very questionable background, and he's become the town bully in Springboro.
Anyone else feel Springboro Police should go?
I'm guessing that you have a problem with the Springboro Police. From my experience, the SPD has been very helpful and professional in any dealings I have had with them. But then again, I follow the laws and don't get into trouble.
If you break the law, the cops are going to be a pain in your rear. The answer - Don't break the law!
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lawabiding citizen wrote:
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I'm guessing that you have a problem with the Springboro Police. From my experience, the SPD has been very helpful and professional in any dealings I have had with them. But then again, I follow the laws and don't get into trouble.
If you break the law, the cops are going to be a pain in your rear. The answer - Don't break the law!
You are very naive. If you are happy with SPD, then we have nothing to discuss.

Springboro police have poor leadership, horrible interpersonal skills and lack any form of discretion. The people of Springboro have had enough.

Has anyone else had a bad experience with Springboro police?(As if I need to ask)

It is totally plausible to disband SPD and bring in County Sheriff. Springboro doesn't have the crime stats to justify keeping this unprofessional, unethical, overzealous and over paid police dept.
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Ok, I'm listening.
What exactly is your beef with the Springboro cops?
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My whole family has had probs with them since Denlinger in the early 80's, They are getting worse I totally agree with you something or someone needs to step in .We are not criminals but are followed and stopped for no reason , My family is big classic car fans we have been harassed and immediate by them way to long because we have nice cars. If you drive a Camero,Trans Am or anything that looks like a fast car they will follow you and try to find any traffic violation they can to pull you over , HEll my brother was just recently stopped for improper lighting on his bicycle WTF, I have never in my life heard of that one ...
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I have three nice cars with one being a mid 90's Corvette and have never had a problem with the Springboro Police. They have to have a reason to pull you over and will tell you if you ask. Some can be petty mind you but they are within their rights to stop you. I've been stopped twice ,once for speeding and once for a light being out at night and received warnings both times. I'm fine with that.

Probably unrelated to you, it never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of some people. I have one guy who works for me who has 3 DUI's (2 in Springboro) He says the cops are out to get him. What he doesn't seem to get is if you are driving a beat up car with some lights that are out at 2:00AM on a Saturday or Sunday morning, he is going to get stopped if a cop sees him. If you give the Police reason to stop you, they will.
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Probably unrelated to you, it never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of some people. I have one guy who works for me who has 3 DUI's (2 in Springboro) He says the cops are out to get him. What he doesn't seem to get is if you are driving a beat up car with some lights that are out at 2:00AM on a Saturday or Sunday morning, he is going to get stopped if a cop sees him. If you give the Police reason to stop you, they will.
SPD is looking for more then whats in front of them. They are dangerously close to policing like those in the Middle East, China and Russia. I know thats sounds outragous, but I'm not kidding.

SPD is unlawfully detaining people on a regular basis. Unlawfully searching personal property and continue to unlawfully patrol Springboro.

HEY SPD you MUST have lights ON guys!! Parking on Private property with lights off is a no no, but they just ignore the law.

Do you know local police are getting these "Auto Scan" devices that with search all tags in its sight and report to officers any violations? The officer doesnt have to do a thing.(except write ticket after ticket)

Is that the society you want to live in?

Can we live with minor violations of the law?

Do we need to be ticketed and arrested for everything?

Come on "L.A.C" you dont really want that - do you?

Its about turning good people into "bad" people, just because SPD says so.

Now, to be fair many SPD citations are thrown out in court, but not after the citizen has to spend hundreds - even thousands of dollars fighting back. Its not fair - and surrounding cities dont have this problem. Other Depts exercise discretion, but not Springboro.

They work for us, and its time we make some changes. SPD MUST GO!!!

Oh one last thing "L.A.C" - you think those nervous around police must be guilty of something? Well - I suggest you ask any black person in this country how they feel.

That reminds me - SPD continues to practice illegal racial profiling. Hmmm?? whos breaking the law here?
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Reformer wrote:
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SPD is looking for more then whats in front of them. They are dangerously close to policing like those in the Middle East, China and Russia. I know thats sounds outragous, but I'm not kidding.
SPD is unlawfully detaining people on a regular basis. Unlawfully searching personal property and continue to unlawfully patrol Springboro.
HEY SPD you MUST have lights ON guys!! Parking on Private property with lights off is a no no, but they just ignore the law.
Do you know local police are getting these "Auto Scan" devices that with search all tags in its sight and report to officers any violations? The officer doesnt have to do a thing.(except write ticket after ticket)
Is that the society you want to live in?
Can we live with minor violations of the law?
Do we need to be ticketed and arrested for everything?
Come on "L.A.C" you dont really want that - do you?
Its about turning good people into "bad" people, just because SPD says so.
Now, to be fair many SPD citations are thrown out in court, but not after the citizen has to spend hundreds - even thousands of dollars fighting back. Its not fair - and surrounding cities dont have this problem. Other Depts exercise discretion, but not Springboro.
They work for us, and its time we make some changes. SPD MUST GO!!!
Oh one last thing "L.A.C" - you think those nervous around police must be guilty of something? Well - I suggest you ask any black person in this country how they feel.
That reminds me - SPD continues to practice illegal racial profiling. Hmmm?? whos breaking the law here?
A whole laundry list of complaints here with absolutely no documentation to back any of it up. Like I said before, You sound like you have some axe to grind.

Policing like Russia et al - I don't think so. Let's have some examples.

Unlawfully detaining, searching, and patrolling Springboro? Examples of their heinous acts would help prove your point.

I'm not aware that it is against the law for a police car to be on private property with their lights off (I may be wrong) but I personally don't have a problem with that since I'm not doing anything wrong. And, if that's what it takes to keep people from driving 50 mph in a 25 in my residential neighborhood full of kids playing, I'm all for it.

Auto plate scanners? Not aware of that even being considered for SPD. Dayton has them though along with red light cameras. Springboro does not have red light cams either.

A big problem with citations being thrown out? In the Mayor's Court? Examples please along with data from other cities proving your allegations.

Racial Profiling? I don't doubt that happens in Springboro. It's wrong but I don't think it is any worse than other suburban communities. I know it is more prevalent in Franklin, Centerville and even Dayton.

Reformer, You have made a whole bunch of allegations here. I'd just like to see some data to back them up. I could be wrong but from my viewpoint, the Springboro PD does a pretty good job.
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Stay Alert wrote:
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A whole laundry list of complaints here with absolutely no documentation to back any of it up. Like I said before, You sound like you have some axe to grind.
I appreciate the fact that you want "hard evidence" to support my claims, but I dont think this is the forum to reveal specifics.

Lets be clear about a few things.
1. NOT every Springboro Officer is abusive, intimidating and breaking the rules.

2. BUT there are 5 Officers in that small dept. that are creating very serious problems for the community.

3. I forgot to mention the Chief. Make it 6.

I know youre being antagonistic when you say things like "I dont mind..." - "I'm not doing anything wrong"

But the truth is - it matters how police do their job. It matters how they interact with people.

Im really just seeing if some of the many people abused by SPD will post their opinions here.

And lets be honest, you may be a SP Officer or very close to one. Your comments DO NOT reflect how the community feels. Want to hear some stories? Start hanging out at Roosters, Campionis, The Springs, BW3.

You will get an ear-full.
SPD MUST GO!!!
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Springboro Police have already publicly acknowledged that there are community relation problems.
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Sounds like people that are complaining are law breakers or are related to them. Or maybe the poster is a SPD wanna be who could not make the cut and has a grudge? He needs to get out of his mom's basment and get a life.
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I appreciate the fact that you want "hard evidence" to support my claims, but I dont think this is the forum to reveal specifics.
Lets be clear about a few things.
1. NOT every Springboro Officer is abusive, intimidating and breaking the rules.
2. BUT there are 5 Officers in that small dept. that are creating very serious problems for the community.
3. I forgot to mention the Chief. Make it 6.
I know youre being antagonistic when you say things like "I dont mind..." - "I'm not doing anything wrong"
But the truth is - it matters how police do their job. It matters how they interact with people.
Im really just seeing if some of the many people abused by SPD will post their opinions here.
And lets be honest, you may be a SP Officer or very close to one. Your comments DO NOT reflect how the community feels. Want to hear some stories? Start hanging out at Roosters, Campionis, The Springs, BW3.
You will get an ear-full.
SPD MUST GO!!!
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Springboro Police have already publicly acknowledged that there are community relation problems.
I agree with the fact that you need to give some type of an example here. You sound like you're babbling. It is hard for anyone to agree with you when you won't give an intelligent example to make your argument. I have teenage boys. They're good boys with good grades and solid heads on their shoulders but they are boys. We can all remember making stupid decisions when we were teenagers. I have told them, "if you run with a crowd with a bad rep., you will be quilty by association every time." They pick their freinds more wisely now that they are older teens because they noticed that they were getting attention from the SPD for just walking down the street. Profiling is everywhere, racial or otherwise. History teaches us that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So if you look like you're up to no good, you will be stopped every time. It's called being proactive. And I for one have no problems with that.
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Reformer wrote:
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I appreciate the fact that you want "hard evidence" to support my claims, but I dont think this is the forum to reveal specifics.
Lets be clear about a few things.
1. NOT every Springboro Officer is abusive, intimidating and breaking the rules.
2. BUT there are 5 Officers in that small dept. that are creating very serious problems for the community.
3. I forgot to mention the Chief. Make it 6.
I know youre being antagonistic when you say things like "I dont mind..." - "I'm not doing anything wrong"
But the truth is - it matters how police do their job. It matters how they interact with people.
Im really just seeing if some of the many people abused by SPD will post their opinions here.
And lets be honest, you may be a SP Officer or very close to one. Your comments DO NOT reflect how the community feels. Want to hear some stories? Start hanging out at Roosters, Campionis, The Springs, BW3.
You will get an ear-full.
SPD MUST GO!!!
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Springboro Police have already publicly acknowledged that there are community relation problems.
Also., If you're hanging out at every bar in Springboro on a regular basis, then I'm sure, when everybody gets more and more drunk, there is plenty to complain about while you are preparing yourself to CREATE more situations that will give you more to complain about. You have to break the "Jerk Cycle" at some point man. It can't always be someone else's fault all the time!
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Reformer wrote:
I have lived in Springboro for many years, and it is becoming very clear that the residents of Springboro feel threatened and intimidated by Springboro Police.
The stories are endless with this department.
I think its time to disband Springboro Police, bring in Warren County Sheriff to police Springboro.
The police Chief came from a very questionable background, and he's become the town bully in Springboro.
Anyone else feel Springboro Police should go?
I must say that there may be something that my family did wrong but the punishment was a bit out of control! My mother came to visit, I live on a cul-de-sac, she parked on the street safely but in the wrong direction. It was in a neighborhood that is very private. We woke up in the morning and she had a parking ticket that cost her $100.00 which is not easy for someone on Social Security to pay. I understand she parked in the wrong direction, but $100. for a parking ticket??? Then my son was walking with a paintball gun, he and his friends were playing in the woods as they always did, not hard core paint ball guns but the kind you buy for kids that are 14 years old. The officer pulled up behind him, got out of the cruiser, told him to drop his gun, and made him lay on the ground. It scared the daylights out of him. He had to go to court, I had to pay court costs, and he had to do three days of community service. It is not the experience I want him to have with the police officers, I want him to feel as they are there to help him and be someone he can look up to, not scare him. I feel there was a better way to manage the situation. As in everything there are good officers and inappropriate officers as well. I know we have some very good ones in Springboro, however, I would like to see them have training within the department on principles, and values for the people of Springboro.
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Oct 10, 2009
 
Thank you for posting this story. It really shows how the Springboro Police operates.

SPD has a "Gotcha" approach to policing. Its very unsettling and I could not agree more about how this affects our children.

I keep telling both my kids this in not how most police departments operate.

However I do want to compliment one officer, Officer Kuhlman with SPD has the right temperament, the right attitude and I hope we get more officers like him.

On the flip side - Anderkin, Hawk should be dimissed. Hopefully with a few changes coming that will happen sooner then later. The union isnt going to protect them much longer.

And if Hawk is reading this? Stop being Anderkins lap dog.Be your own man.
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I must say that there may be something that my family did wrong but the punishment was a bit out of control! My mother came to visit, I live on a cul-de-sac, she parked on the street safely but in the wrong direction. It was in a neighborhood that is very private. We woke up in the morning and she had a parking ticket that cost her $100.00 which is not easy for someone on Social Security to pay. I understand she parked in the wrong direction, but $100. for a parking ticket??? Then my son was walking with a paintball gun, he and his friends were playing in the woods as they always did, not hard core paint ball guns but the kind you buy for kids that are 14 years old. The officer pulled up behind him, got out of the cruiser, told him to drop his gun, and made him lay on the ground. It scared the daylights out of him. He had to go to court, I had to pay court costs, and he had to do three days of community service. It is not the experience I want him to have with the police officers, I want him to feel as they are there to help him and be someone he can look up to, not scare him. I feel there was a better way to manage the situation. As in everything there are good officers and inappropriate officers as well. I know we have some very good ones in Springboro, however, I would like to see them have training within the department on principles, and values for the people of Springboro.
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Oct 10, 2009
 
Can you read? Who said anything about hanging out "in every bar" "on a regular basis"???

You are absolutely correct!!! The "Jerk Cycle" must be broken!!

So lets band together and clean up Springboro Police Department.

Oh wait - you meant the people of Spingboro are jerks?? Thats the cycle you want to break? Hmm????

When I was growing up - cops caught us drinking - they simply made us poor everything out and go home. Most people have had the same exact experience growing up.

But not Springboro - their attitude is: lets arrest everyone, take them to jail, call their parents, cause major legal fees etc etc.

In case youre not getting my point - police MUST exercise discretion.

Spingboro Police are bored, they dont have enough real crime to deal with, THANKS to the law abiding citizens of Springboro.

So this the thanks we get for being good people, a police department that insists on bullying us.

You would think that SPD would be grateful that we make their job so easy and safe, guess not.
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<quoted text>Also., If you're hanging out at every bar in Springboro on a regular basis, then I'm sure, when everybody gets more and more drunk, there is plenty to complain about while you are preparing yourself to CREATE more situations that will give you more to complain about. You have to break the "Jerk Cycle" at some point man. It can't always be someone else's fault all the time!
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Refomer wrote:
Can you read? Who said anything about hanging out "in every bar" "on a regular basis"???
You are absolutely correct!!! The "Jerk Cycle" must be broken!!
So lets band together and clean up Springboro Police Department.
Oh wait - you meant the people of Spingboro are jerks?? Thats the cycle you want to break? Hmm????
When I was growing up - cops caught us drinking - they simply made us poor everything out and go home. Most people have had the same exact experience growing up.
But not Springboro - their attitude is: lets arrest everyone, take them to jail, call their parents, cause major legal fees etc etc.
In case youre not getting my point - police MUST exercise discretion.
Spingboro Police are bored, they dont have enough real crime to deal with, THANKS to the law abiding citizens of Springboro.
So this the thanks we get for being good people, a police department that insists on bullying us.
You would think that SPD would be grateful that we make their job so easy and safe, guess not.
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Like it or not, thanks to MADD and others, teen drinking and drunk driving laws have gotten tougher everywhere. This is not a Springboro PD thing. It happens everywhere.

I too got caught drinking by the cops when I was young and the cops took my beer (probably took it for themselves) and sent me home with a stern warning that if they saw me out again that night I was going to get busted. I don't know of ANY cops that do this anymore due to society getting tougher on drinking.

And... based on my knowledge, Bryan Hawk is a pretty good cop. From what I have seen he takes his job very serious and does a good job. And before you make the comment, I am not Bryan, a relative or friend of Bryan's or another cop.

Unrelated question... I saw something in the DDN that referred to OFFICER Lisa Walsh rather than DETECTIVE Lisa Walsh. Did she get demoted or was that just a typo?

If you or your kids don't break the laws, the cops won't be a problem for you. If you do, expect to pay the penalty.
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Oct 10, 2009
 
Is this why Main St. is no longer safe for drag-racing?
Why, you can't even drive around for a joy ride while
having a swig of whiskey right out of the bottle anymore. This town has turned into a Police State.
Shame!!! If they say anything about me firing a shotgun
into the air to celebrate special occasions though,
I'm moving to Franklin.
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ClearCreekCommando wrote:
Is this why Main St. is no longer safe for drag-racing?
Why, you can't even drive around for a joy ride while
having a swig of whiskey right out of the bottle anymore. This town has turned into a Police State.
Shame!!! If they say anything about me firing a shotgun
into the air to celebrate special occasions though,
I'm moving to Franklin.
Franklin?
You mean the town that tasers old ladies and gets on the national news for it?

Or my personal favorite...
Nine or ten years ago a drunk on a bicycle was kicked out of a bar on Main St for being too drunk and belligerant. He was angry and started slashing tires on cars parked outside the bar. When the red neck drunks in the bar were told this was happening, they poured out of the bar to get the guy. He hopped on his bike to get away but the guys caught him and beat him to death. The Franklin police said he had it coming to him. It was ruled that he died of "natural causes" because they claimed that he had died before he was severely beaten. No charges were filed against any of the attackers who happened to be close friends of several of the cops. If we are to believe that he was indeed dead before he was pulled off his bicycle and beaten (I see dead guys riding bikes all the time!), should not the attackers been charged with abuse of a corpse?

Moral of story...In Franklin Ohio it's only natural that you die after you slash a few tires. In Springboro, and most other places though, your's going down for it.
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Franklin?
You mean the town that tasers old ladies and gets on the national news for it?
Or my personal favorite...
Nine or ten years ago a drunk on a bicycle was kicked out of a bar on Main St for being too drunk and belligerant. He was angry and started slashing tires on cars parked outside the bar. When the red neck drunks in the bar were told this was happening, they poured out of the bar to get the guy. He hopped on his bike to get away but the guys caught him and beat him to death. The Franklin police said he had it coming to him. It was ruled that he died of "natural causes" because they claimed that he had died before he was severely beaten. No charges were filed against any of the attackers who happened to be close friends of several of the cops. If we are to believe that he was indeed dead before he was pulled off his bicycle and beaten (I see dead guys riding bikes all the time!), should not the attackers been charged with abuse of a corpse?
Moral of story...In Franklin Ohio it's only natural that you die after you slash a few tires. In Springboro, and most other places though, your's going down for it.
I remember that story. As I recall, the Corner ruled that he was in fact dead before he hit the ground.
At least in Franklin if I fire off my shotgun in the
back yard nobody would think anything of it because
they're used to it. Keep your head down. Talk only in
whispers and stay off the beaten path. That's where
ambushes occur.
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Oct 10, 2009
 
Just remembered. The Coroner said it was a brain
aneuryism that occurred before he was hit by his
assailants.
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