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Bobby - SSP

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Mar 25, 2011
Typical. Disc Golf gets popular and they decide to now charge the people using it. Same with the enormous dog park in SSP that was free until they got enough dog owners to use the park, now they charge everyone. These little fees go towards the cities pet projects that only benefit themselves. Pretty pathetic.
TOM

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Mar 26, 2011
Fee my asp...this is getting beyond stupid...
Old Vet

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Mar 26, 2011
Bobby - SSP wrote:
Typical. Disc Golf gets popular and they decide to now charge the people using it. Same with the enormous dog park in SSP that was free until they got enough dog owners to use the park, now they charge everyone. These little fees go towards the cities pet projects that only benefit themselves. Pretty pathetic.
It's not free now! It's paid for by all the taxpayers, very, very few of which use the disk golf course. The kids who need a place to play will still be able to use it for free, it's only the adults who will have to pay. Why should the taxpayers pay for your entertainment.?
Southsider

United States

#4 Mar 26, 2011
Bummer dude - now disc golfers may actually have to get a job to afford to play. Far out man, that totally harshs my mellow.
Zingbopper

Comstock, WI

#5 Mar 26, 2011
effing government just has to get it's greedy little paws into everything. It's a public park. You can't tax people on it and then charge a feeto use it.
msp

Schaumburg, IL

#6 Mar 26, 2011
You can't have it both ways, either it is paid by fees or by taxes. The difference between the two is that with fees a vendor has to make money, with the taxes the city spreads the expense of a park for everyone.
I personally hate fees and would prefer the tax.
My St Paul homeowner taxes have almost 1/3 fees attached that used to be "taxes" BUT I used to be able to write those taxes off, not so with fees. Fees suck big time.
Bubba

Lakeville, MN

#7 Mar 26, 2011
We paid for it once, now you gotta pay again. Greed !!!!!!!!!! Guess how the attendance will be now. They probably want the use to drop so they can close it and use it for something else.
Bobby joe

South Saint Paul, MN

#8 Mar 26, 2011
Can these stoners pay with some doobies?

“Get A Job!!”

Since: Mar 11

Eden Prairie

#9 Mar 26, 2011
You hippies might have to get jobs.
Get used to it

Hutchinson, KS

#10 Mar 26, 2011
Some of you obviously haven't been up on this story since last year. When SSP started charging user fees at Kaposia last summer, there was a lot of acrimony, but in the end, the course generated over $25K in just seven months.

I'm all for user fees. Fees mean the riff raff crowd who come to the disc courses just to drink cheap beer, litter and loiter will likely go someplace else. User fees mean disc golfers will have leverage to demand dedicated space for their activity instead of having to share it with bike/walking paths and other park activities. User fees mean there will be funds available for mowing, new and upgraded equipment, landscaping, etc, instead of everything falling into disrepair. Most importantly, user fees send a message to entities, both public and private, that disc golf can be a self-sustaining enterprise, and will lead to future course development. Go take a look at Bryant Lake Park in Eden Prairie, or Blue Ribbon Pines DGC in East Bethel if you want to see what user fees can buy.
As for this lame "my taxes already paid for this" argument I hear...largely rubbish. Probably a good portion of the people who play this course don't even live in IGH, and therefore don't pay taxes, and even the resident who think their fun should be on someone's else dime, I can assure you don't pay that much.
Friend of the family

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Mar 26, 2011
I would truly hate to see fees charged for playing disc golf. We have disc golf in Edina and I am happy to see the many young college kids playing. College costs are high enough, why add to their burden to be out doing something wholesome? As for IGH, I don't know who the players are, but like some have said, it is a public park and should not have fees for this. There is very little, if any, maintenance required to the course.
Gene Pool

Wichita, KS

#12 Mar 26, 2011
So how about a fee to use ballfields, soccer fields, ice rinks, skateboard parks, swings, slides, basketball courts, sand volleyball, monkey bars and teeter-totters?
Gene Pool

Wichita, KS

#13 Mar 26, 2011
I can't write m o n k e y ?? what a load of bullshit!
ZFlash

Mound, MN

#14 Mar 26, 2011
To the person that suggested that fees will keep the "riff raff" out that litter, etc....I would just like to point something out to you. I have played DG regularly for about 10 years now and used to think it was the young kids that had no respect for anything that did the littering and breaking glass, etc...at the courses, but I can tell you that is not true at all. First, pretty much all courses have signs that say "no glass containers on the course", if they don't everyone knows that it is a no no. Well, I have seen first hand playing in many leagues and tournaments that it is not, in fact the young kids...or "riff raff" as you put it...that are bringing the glass onto the course, it is a vast majority of the time the DG regulars that are bringing it on. They bring the glass beer bottles on, throw them away in a garbage can, then a storm comes blowing through and blows the cans over, spilling and breaking the glass that's in the cans. And then it gets easily blamed on the "riff raff", when in fact it is the fault of the same people complaining of the "riff raff". I've pointed out several times to these folks that glass is not allowed and asked why they don't just bring cans, to which I'm told a majority of the time, "I don't like the way it tastes out of a can". And this is coming from the supposed responsible adults that are the ambassadors for this sport. I was at a tournament one time and saw the person that was running the tournament finish his beer...out of a glass bottle....and throw it into nine mile creek breaking it on the rocks. And these are the same people expecting us casual users to accept paying a fee to play? Are you kidding me? The fees are a bad idea! I've played with a group of friends for many years at least once a weekend at NV or Kaposia, but since last year when they started charging we quit playing at those courses. Sure, you will continue to get your core group of DG'ers, but that's pretty much all you will get. The casual DG'ers will not pay these fees on a regular basis. If you really want to clean up this sport and keep these courses clean, someone needs to start holding the supposed "leaders" of the DG community responsible for their actions. They are the one's allowing and looking the other way when their "buds" break the course rules and bring the glass on the course. Because lets face it, as far as littering on the courses goes, that is the biggest problem.
Kevin

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Mar 26, 2011
Gene Pool wrote:
So how about a fee to use ballfields, soccer fields, ice rinks, skateboard parks, swings, slides, basketball courts, sand volleyball,**** bars and teeter-totters?
Well said!
ZFlash

Mound, MN

#16 Mar 26, 2011
$25K in seven months? How much of that is paid out in compensation for staff? And before you start calling out the "riff raff" for doing the littering, you need to take a hard look and see who the real "riff raff" is that's doing the littering. I can guarantee you will be shocked when you realize who it is a majority of the time.
Get used to it wrote:
Some of you obviously haven't been up on this story since last year. When SSP started charging user fees at Kaposia last summer, there was a lot of acrimony, but in the end, the course generated over $25K in just seven months.
I'm all for user fees. Fees mean the riff raff crowd who come to the disc courses just to drink cheap beer, litter and loiter will likely go someplace else. User fees mean disc golfers will have leverage to demand dedicated space for their activity instead of having to share it with bike/walking paths and other park activities. User fees mean there will be funds available for mowing, new and upgraded equipment, landscaping, etc, instead of everything falling into disrepair. Most importantly, user fees send a message to entities, both public and private, that disc golf can be a self-sustaining enterprise, and will lead to future course development. Go take a look at Bryant Lake Park in Eden Prairie, or Blue Ribbon Pines DGC in East Bethel if you want to see what user fees can buy.
As for this lame "my taxes already paid for this" argument I hear...largely rubbish. Probably a good portion of the people who play this course don't even live in IGH, and therefore don't pay taxes, and even the resident who think their fun should be on someone's else dime, I can assure you don't pay that much.
ZFlash

Mound, MN

#17 Mar 26, 2011
Zingbopper wrote:
effing government just has to get it's greedy little paws into everything. It's a public park. You can't tax people on it and then charge a feeto use it.
You're missing something here, it's not the "government" that initiated this whole idea. It's the businesses that stand to gain from selling their stuff at the courses, and the leaders in the DG community that suggested and brought it to the city. Believe me, I wish I could agree with you and rip the city government for trying to do something like this, but it's not them that's pushing it.
What

Cottage Grove, MN

#18 Mar 26, 2011
That's crazy to charge for something that's suppose to be free at every park. I'm guessing people will just go elsewhere and play for free. I had no idea IGH was like that. Come to Cottage Grove where it's free just off 80th & Hwy 61
James

United States

#19 Mar 26, 2011
Gene Pool wrote:
So how about a fee to use ballfields, soccer fields, ice rinks, skateboard parks, swings, slides, basketball courts, sand volleyball,**** bars and teeter-totters?
Every softball team has to pay to play in a league or tournament, soccer teams pay their assosiations, ice rinks can charge for ice time, sand volleyball leagues cost money... maybe they should charge these skateboarders some fees good idea.
James

United States

#20 Mar 26, 2011
ZFlash wrote:
To the person that suggested that fees will keep the "riff raff" out that litter, etc....I would just like to point something out to you. I have played DG regularly for about 10 years now and used to think it was the young kids that had no respect for anything that did the littering and breaking glass, etc...at the courses, but I can tell you that is not true at all. First, pretty much all courses have signs that say "no glass containers on the course", if they don't everyone knows that it is a no no. Well, I have seen first hand playing in many leagues and tournaments that it is not, in fact the young kids...or "riff raff" as you put it...that are bringing the glass onto the course, it is a vast majority of the time the DG regulars that are bringing it on. They bring the glass beer bottles on, throw them away in a garbage can, then a storm comes blowing through and blows the cans over, spilling and breaking the glass that's in the cans. And then it gets easily blamed on the "riff raff", when in fact it is the fault of the same people complaining of the "riff raff". I've pointed out several times to these folks that glass is not allowed and asked why they don't just bring cans, to which I'm told a majority of the time, "I don't like the way it tastes out of a can". And this is coming from the supposed responsible adults that are the ambassadors for this sport. I was at a tournament one time and saw the person that was running the tournament finish his beer...out of a glass bottle....and throw it into nine mile creek breaking it on the rocks. And these are the same people expecting us casual users to accept paying a fee to play? Are you kidding me? The fees are a bad idea! I've played with a group of friends for many years at least once a weekend at NV or Kaposia, but since last year when they started charging we quit playing at those courses. Sure, you will continue to get your core group of DG'ers, but that's pretty much all you will get. The casual DG'ers will not pay these fees on a regular basis. If you really want to clean up this sport and keep these courses clean, someone needs to start holding the supposed "leaders" of the DG community responsible for their actions. They are the one's allowing and looking the other way when their "buds" break the course rules and bring the glass on the course. Because lets face it, as far as littering on the courses goes, that is the biggest problem.
Maybe if you hippies got jobs and payed for shoes you wouldn't have to worry about the glass

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