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Tough Love
Somerset, KY
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I did a little research and put together a few statistics. Through its 5 locations, our library system services a county of 63,063 people (21010 census figures) or an average of 12, 612 people per facility. In Boyle County (Danville) their population of 28,432 is serviced by 1 main facility. They recently closed their only branch because of budgetary concerns -- not lack of use. The Lexington library system which doubles as a county system has 6 locations which serve 295,803 people or an average of 49,300 people per facility. In Hardin County (Elizabethtown) their population of 105,543 people is serviced by 2 locations or an average 52,771 people per facility. While I like our north, south, east, west branch concept, I’m not convinced that our population justifies 4 branches -- particularly given the size and scope of the main building. RIght now 3 of our 5 facilities, are new or almost new and if memory serves, the plan is to replace the older branches in Nancy and Science Hill as well -- thereby adding to what is already a healthy debt. It would be very interesting to see the library’s usage report for the last 5 years which details the number of customers who frequent each branch, number of books and periodicals accessed, materials borrowed from and loaned to libraries outside our system, reference usage, ebook loan statistics, programs, details on computer, meeting room and other public access usage -- just to see how we stack up against other libraries and if the usage justifies such an elaborate and costly network.
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Common Sense
London, KY
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The library does have an annual audit by an outside CPA that is available to anyone who wants to see it. Guess what? It is on file with the fiscal government. They fail to tell you that. I agree, the library building was probably overkill when it was built but that was the previous administration. Now, there is almost $10 million in bonds that have to be paid. Know who is responsible for those bonds if the taxing district is dissolved, Pulaski County Fiscal Court, that's who. How do you payoff bond debt, with taxes. Do these dumbass magistrates realize that? Lastly, hopefully everyone realizes that the only reason Barb Sanders is doing this is to get brownie points for when she runs for county judge against him next term, and Barty is too stupid to realize he is helping her. Geez!!
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Level 5
Since: Mar 12
Somerset, KY
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Tough Love wrote: I did a little research and put together a few statistics. Through its 5 locations, our library system services a county of 63,063 people (21010 census figures) or an average of 12, 612 people per facility. In Boyle County (Danville) their population of 28,432 is serviced by 1 main facility. They recently closed their only branch because of budgetary concerns -- not lack of use. The Lexington library system which doubles as a county system has 6 locations which serve 295,803 people or an average of 49,300 people per facility. In Hardin County (Elizabethtown) their population of 105,543 people is serviced by 2 locations or an average 52,771 people per facility. While I like our north, south, east, west branch concept, I’m not convinced that our population justifies 4 branches -- particularly given the size and scope of the main building. RIght now 3 of our 5 facilities, are new or almost new and if memory serves, the plan is to replace the older branches in Nancy and Science Hill as well -- thereby adding to what is already a healthy debt. It would be very interesting to see the library’s usage report for the last 5 years which details the number of customers who frequent each branch, number of books and periodicals accessed, materials borrowed from and loaned to libraries outside our system, reference usage, ebook loan statistics, programs, details on computer, meeting room and other public access usage -- just to see how we stack up against other libraries and if the usage justifies such an elaborate and costly network. These numbers hide a few differences between other areas and our own. Although I cannot speak for the Danville situation, I did live in Lexington for several years and it is very different because all of the Lexington branches are very large, when compared with ours. Our branches employ far fewer people by comparison so thinking of it as one branch per X number of people would not be nearly as accurate as thinking of the cost to maintain that branch per X number of people. I think you will find that it is more in sync from that standpoint. The other issue is that Pulaski County is about twice the size of Fayette County, geographically speaking. That means that someone living in Andover can easily get to the branch on Richmond Rd. However, someone in Eubank might as well be in another county. Servicing such a large geographical area requires lots of small branches. Our library is a tremendous asset to our community. The main branch is beautiful and the children's programs are fantastic. It is also used by community groups and events. I see no reason to pursue a witch hunt to satisfy the emotional frustration of a fringe group of people who want to claim over taxation just to feel a sense of relevancy. Very few local people pay significant net taxes anyway and the ones who do have better things to do than drum up something like this.
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Tough Love
Somerset, KY
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dionysio wrote: <quoted text> These numbers hide a few differences between other areas and our own. Although I cannot speak for the Danville situation, I did live in Lexington for several years and it is very different because all of the Lexington branches are very large, when compared with ours. Our branches employ far fewer people by comparison so thinking of it as one branch per X number of people would not be nearly as accurate as thinking of the cost to maintain that branch per X number of people. I think you will find that it is more in sync from that standpoint. The other issue is that Pulaski County is about twice the size of Fayette County, geographically speaking. That means that someone living in Andover can easily get to the branch on Richmond Rd. However, someone in Eubank might as well be in another county. Servicing such a large geographical area requires lots of small branches. Our library is a tremendous asset to our community. The main branch is beautiful and the children's programs are fantastic. It is also used by community groups and events. I see no reason to pursue a witch hunt to satisfy the emotional frustration of a fringe group of people who want to claim over taxation just to feel a sense of relevancy. Very few local people pay significant net taxes anyway and the ones who do have better things to do than drum up something like this. All library systems are of great value to their respective communities, and for me, a local library says a lot about the community as a whole. That said, no one is questioning the value or beauty of our library -- only how it is funded and if the perpetual raising of taxes is really necessary. Because of their independent taxing authority, the library can raise taxes annually and there is nothing the county government or the tax payers can do about it. We can all hope that they use our money wisely, but there is no mechanism to reign them in if they don't. Also, the library board says they have to raise taxes each year partly because of prior financial commitments related to loans for several new facilities -- some of which were probably not necessary in the first place. Pulaski County may be large in physical size, however it's population is relatively small in comparison. As previously noted, it would be interesting to see a readout of use figures -- how many people in the county actually use the facilities and in what ways. If the majority of the use is related meeting rooms, computers and ebook rentals, your staffing needs are very different than if there is heavy reliance on books, periodicals and programs. If the majority of the users are at the main building, then perhaps hours and/or staffing can be reduced at some of the satellite branches. Also, do we really "need" 4 fully staffed branches, when the main library is within striking distance for everyone in the county? I suspect people would be far more receptive to the library's financial situation if they knew that before raising taxes again, they had taken concrete steps to live within its means -- something we have not seen. Even during the recent meeting -- at least the account that I read in the CJ -- the staff was focused on the size of their debts and how expensive things are. Not once did they talk about steps taken to reduce their overhead. I lived in Lexington as well and used the library quite a bit. Some of their branches are indeed larger and some are not. One difference though, I can't ever recall seeing a group of staff standing around chatting with each other. They all seemed to be gainfully employed.
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Level 5
Since: Mar 12
Somerset, KY
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Tough Love wrote: <quoted text> All library systems are of great value to their respective communities, and for me, a local library says a lot about the community as a whole. That said, no one is questioning the value or beauty of our library -- only how it is funded and if the perpetual raising of taxes is really necessary. Because of their independent taxing authority, the library can raise taxes annually and there is nothing the county government or the tax payers can do about it. We can all hope that they use our money wisely, but there is no mechanism to reign them in if they don't. Also, the library board says they have to raise taxes each year partly because of prior financial commitments related to loans for several new facilities -- some of which were probably not necessary in the first place. Pulaski County may be large in physical size, however it's population is relatively small in comparison. As previously noted, it would be interesting to see a readout of use figures -- how many people in the county actually use the facilities and in what ways. If the majority of the use is related meeting rooms, computers and ebook rentals, your staffing needs are very different than if there is heavy reliance on books, periodicals and programs. If the majority of the users are at the main building, then perhaps hours and/or staffing can be reduced at some of the satellite branches. Also, do we really "need" 4 fully staffed branches, when the main library is within striking distance for everyone in the county? I suspect people would be far more receptive to the library's financial situation if they knew that before raising taxes again, they had taken concrete steps to live within its means -- something we have not seen. Even during the recent meeting -- at least the account that I read in the CJ -- the staff was focused on the size of their debts and how expensive things are. Not once did they talk about steps taken to reduce their overhead. I lived in Lexington as well and used the library quite a bit. Some of their branches are indeed larger and some are not. One difference though, I can't ever recall seeing a group of staff standing around chatting with each other. They all seemed to be gainfully employed. Well, I think I agree with most of what you are saying. My only concern is that if given the choice of paying taxes or not having a library, the average person here might agree to not having a library and, just as we saw in Danville, that does not lead in a positive direction. The average person can be very selfish and would rather not pay $.50 a year if they could get out of it. The current system at least ensures that they won't have that option. At the same time, I do understand the concern because we are placing our trust in a group of people whose interest may be at odds with our own. Now, I have only had positive experiences with the library and its staff and I have no reason to believe they aren't doing their best to keep costs down but that may not always be the case. It's a tough issue for me because you are basically given the choice between the wisdom of the library staff or the wisdom of the average Pulaski Countian. I would much rather go with the library staff on that one. Another thing is that the library is just about the only cultural thing we have going for us. There are no children's museums or museums of any kind, for that matter. Most towns this size have a variety of cultural things happening. That also says something about the values of the community. If they do revoke or limit the library's authority, I just hope they will continue to fund it somehow. Otherwise, it will be a huge loss for all of us.
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Level 4
Since: Jun 12
Somerset, KY
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dionysio wrote: <quoted text> Well, I think I agree with most of what you are saying. My only concern is that if given the choice of paying taxes or not having a library, the average person here might agree to not having a library and, just as we saw in Danville, that does not lead in a positive direction. The average person can be very selfish and would rather not pay $.50 a year if they could get out of it. The current system at least ensures that they won't have that option. At the same time, I do understand the concern because we are placing our trust in a group of people whose interest may be at odds with our own. Now, I have only had positive experiences with the library and its staff and I have no reason to believe they aren't doing their best to keep costs down but that may not always be the case. It's a tough issue for me because you are basically given the choice between the wisdom of the library staff or the wisdom of the average Pulaski Countian. I would much rather go with the library staff on that one. Another thing is that the library is just about the only cultural thing we have going for us. There are no children's museums or museums of any kind, for that matter. Most towns this size have a variety of cultural things happening. That also says something about the values of the community. If they do revoke or limit the library's authority, I just hope they will continue to fund it somehow. Otherwise, it will be a huge loss for all of us. These magistrates are a fricking joke. While I do agree they shouldn't have voted to have an increase in a time where everyone is hurting a little they shouldn't get run out of town for doing so. I would imagine if they had the chance they wouldn't have asked for that increase at all and just let sleeping dogs lie. But what is done "is done" and they have to defend it now. I love the Library and hope to god they don't find a way to let our idiotic self righteous politicians run it. If that happens then yes we probably will end up like Danville and that will be horrific. At least they haven't ran up millions of dollars worth of Lawyer bills and charged us with it. Like Judge Beashers did with the 10 commandments. Sigh... I am a christian and I know that there is separation between church and state. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand your going to lose that battle. Yet he spent untold millions on a losing battle, that no one really expected to win. I try and live by the 10 commandments but I don't expect them to be crammed down anyone's throat. And I certainly do not want to pay a nickle for any of that idiocy.
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Watcher
London, KY
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The way the last Libary tax was enacted was wrong it should have been voted on by the people,The very people that got stuck with it
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Tough Love
Somerset, KY
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dionysio wrote: <quoted text> Well, I think I agree with most of what you are saying. My only concern is that if given the choice of paying taxes or not having a library, the average person here might agree to not having a library and, just as we saw in Danville, that does not lead in a positive direction. The average person can be very selfish and would rather not pay $.50 a year if they could get out of it. The current system at least ensures that they won't have that option. At the same time, I do understand the concern because we are placing our trust in a group of people whose interest may be at odds with our own. Now, I have only had positive experiences with the library and its staff and I have no reason to believe they aren't doing their best to keep costs down but that may not always be the case. It's a tough issue for me because you are basically given the choice between the wisdom of the library staff or the wisdom of the average Pulaski Countian. I would much rather go with the library staff on that one. Another thing is that the library is just about the only cultural thing we have going for us. There are no children's museums or museums of any kind, for that matter. Most towns this size have a variety of cultural things happening. That also says something about the values of the community. If they do revoke or limit the library's authority, I just hope they will continue to fund it somehow. Otherwise, it will be a huge loss for all of us. You raise some excellent points and like you I sincerely appreciate what the library offers our community. I guess for me it comes down to a lack of funding oversight and an apparent unwillingness by the library to live within it's means during tough economic times. If our federal, state or county governments abuse our trust we can vote them out -- not the case with the library board. We're just stuck with them. Also, during a time when all levels of governments are being forced to do more with less, the library continues to raise taxes. I guess they didn't get the memo, or perhaps they have just chosen to ignore it.
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Common Sense
London, KY
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Watcher wrote: The way the last Libary tax was enacted was wrong it should have been voted on by the people,The very people that got stuck with it This is another case of not knowing what you are talking about. Whether you believe the 1 cent increase is right or wrong, it can't be voted on. It isn't that kind of an increase. It comes from the state and is entirely the board's decision. That is the way the law works. It basically says if you want to leave the rate the same you can. If you want your revenue to be the same as last year, based upon current Pulaski County property values, you will need to take the 1 cent compensating rate because property values are down. For the library as a whole, it is not an increase but is supposed to keep their revenue countywide at last year's number.
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Since: Sep 08
London, KY
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Love the library - Use it regularly - Great kids activities on Wednesdays - Money well spent - Good folks on the board - However , the taxing thingy needs to be revisited -
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Paul Revere
London, KY
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I haven't heard anyone opposed to the way the tax process is setup say "we need to defund the library". No one wants that or is even remotely considering that. It's the process in which taxes can be raised that is in question. An unelected board, answerable to no one, that can raise taxes on the populace is historically been frowned upon. In fact, I think some relatives staged a revolution over such issues. While a library tax probably won't cause a revolution anytime soon, it does envoke the same general theme. I signed a petition over the weekend that would revoke the library's taxing authority. It's the only way to change the process.
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Common Sense
London, KY
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Paul Revere wrote: I haven't heard anyone opposed to the way the tax process is setup say "we need to defund the library". No one wants that or is even remotely considering that. It's the process in which taxes can be raised that is in question. An unelected board, answerable to no one, that can raise taxes on the populace is historically been frowned upon. In fact, I think some relatives staged a revolution over such issues. While a library tax probably won't cause a revolution anytime soon, it does envoke the same general theme. I signed a petition over the weekend that would revoke the library's taxing authority. It's the only way to change the process. Do you realize and accept that if this happens, the county government takes over the building and operations of the library and assumes the $10 million dollar debt?? The debt can't go away so the county is stuck with it and must pay it through TAXES. Do you really think the county has less nepotism and family members/buddies on their payroll than the library?
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Paul Revere
London, KY
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Common Sense wrote: <quoted text> Do you realize and accept that if this happens, the county government takes over the building and operations of the library and assumes the $10 million dollar debt?? The debt can't go away so the county is stuck with it and must pay it through TAXES. Do you really think the county has less nepotism and family members/buddies on their payroll than the library? The power to levy taxes would be taken away from the library board. That's a power it should have never been given. Fiscal Court would be responsible for setting tax rates in the future. Who do you think is on the hook for the debt on the new Library as things currently stand? I would MUCH prefer an ELECTED official be held accountable rather than someone who is appointed and is answerable to no one. Checks and balances.
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try that
Somerset, KY
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how about the libraries try this.. instead of five free copies to the public and then a dime a sheet after that how about .25 cents per copy period. how about a dollar per sheet on your fax sending or recieving. why not start charging again for the videos you check out. oh and maybe all of those overdues that get waived how about the staff charges them to you. how bout you pay per every 15 min you are using the computer kinda like your 15 min is up insert a dollar. that would help ease the budget right there.
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Level 4
Since: Jun 12
Somerset, KY
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try that wrote: how about the libraries try this.. instead of five free copies to the public and then a dime a sheet after that how about .25 cents per copy period. how about a dollar per sheet on your fax sending or recieving. why not start charging again for the videos you check out. oh and maybe all of those overdues that get waived how about the staff charges them to you. how bout you pay per every 15 min you are using the computer kinda like your 15 min is up insert a dollar. that would help ease the budget right there. Hit the wrong button there. There is a reason that the stuff is free. And that being some people don't have a computer nor can they afford one. A lot of times children that don't have easy access to computers go to the Library and use the computers for whatever reason (lot of times for school purposes). And if they charge to use them then they probably couldn't afford to use them. So I don't think nickle and dime-ing is the solution. There is a reason the board is set up this way and that is to keep the politics out of the library. Now what have we got going on? Politics are trying to work its way in and I don't agree with it. With this said I don't think they should have added this small tax. At a time like this people are hurting and it just isn't right to add more onto people who are struggling to make it. But what has happened has happened and there is nothing we can do about it now. This petition that is circulating around will kill the Library and we will be stuck with nearly 10 million in debt we still have to pay off and that is without the Library. Screw Barbara Sanders and everyone who signs this petition. She just wants her name in the papers and to look like she is doing something good. Well she is just trying to kill something good IMHO.
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