Redd Ryder

Walton, KY

#816 Oct 22, 2008
Wow. Can't believe I found this board. I typed in "Ferguson School" and Google brought this up. What a neat trip back down memory lane. I've read through all the posts. All of you seem to have been just a few years ahead of me in school.

I was one of the last basketball players at Ferguson before the state closed the school. We never even got to finish our careers at Ferguson.

On my team were me, Billy Brewster, Vernon Norris, Gene Burton, Dennis Whitaker, Eddie Tucker, Larry Burton, and Jerry Holsonback.

One year ahead of us were David Carr, Doug Goff, Jimmy Strunk, Billy Denny, Darwin Minton and Shannon Hardwick.

The varsity up above us was seniors Larry Duncan, Jerry Peters, and Don Minton and juniors Eddie Bill Ping, Charlie Tucker, Jackie Linville, and Mike Richardson.

David Cowan saw that the school was going to be closed so he left when his eight seniors, Malcolm Luttrell and that bunch, graduated. Our coach was Dan Omlor. He was a good coach who got there too late. None of the varsity that year had played the year before and they were too small and slow and couldn't shoot, so they had a poor season. But my team went undefeated and won the regional and got to the state championship game before Vernon Norris got sick and we lost by 13. David Carr and his bunch went 22-5, won the region and got beat in the state tournament by Meyzeek, which was the Louisville Male junior high. So for the next several years we were going to have the best teams in Ferguson history. Then the state shut us down.

Vernon Norris had two older blonde sisters. Billy Denny had an older sister. Barbara Flynn was the editor of the newspaper, and Brenda New might have been the yearbook editor. I remember Nancy Atchley (adorable redhead), Laura Shafer (who dropped out at the beginning of her senior year), Pam Duncan, and Eddie Tucker's older sister Margaret.
Sunshine

Manchester, KY

#817 Oct 22, 2008
redfox wrote:
just fooling i know what a war horse is didnt they also have war ponies was that the youth.
They did have Ponies! Sorta seems like there was a older sister. They lived on Garrett Street.
Sunshine

Manchester, KY

#818 Oct 22, 2008
Redd Ryder wrote:
Wow. Can't believe I found this board. I typed in "Ferguson School" and Google brought this up. What a neat trip back down memory lane. I've read through all the posts. All of you seem to have been just a few years ahead of me in school.
I was one of the last basketball players at Ferguson before the state closed the school. We never even got to finish our careers at Ferguson.
On my team were me, Billy Brewster, Vernon Norris, Gene Burton, Dennis Whitaker, Eddie Tucker, Larry Burton, and Jerry Holsonback.
One year ahead of us were David Carr, Doug Goff, Jimmy Strunk, Billy Denny, Darwin Minton and Shannon Hardwick.
The varsity up above us was seniors Larry Duncan, Jerry Peters, and Don Minton and juniors Eddie Bill Ping, Charlie Tucker, Jackie Linville, and Mike Richardson.
David Cowan saw that the school was going to be closed so he left when his eight seniors, Malcolm Luttrell and that bunch, graduated. Our coach was Dan Omlor. He was a good coach who got there too late. None of the varsity that year had played the year before and they were too small and slow and couldn't shoot, so they had a poor season. But my team went undefeated and won the regional and got to the state championship game before Vernon Norris got sick and we lost by 13. David Carr and his bunch went 22-5, won the region and got beat in the state tournament by Meyzeek, which was the Louisville Male junior high. So for the next several years we were going to have the best teams in Ferguson history. Then the state shut us down.
Vernon Norris had two older blonde sisters. Billy Denny had an older sister. Barbara Flynn was the editor of the newspaper, and Brenda New might have been the yearbook editor. I remember Nancy Atchley (adorable redhead), Laura Shafer (who dropped out at the beginning of her senior year), Pam Duncan, and Eddie Tucker's older sister Margaret.


Thank Goodness you found this thread because we have just about exhausted all of our resources. Maybe you can bring us back to life. Tell us some interesting events that happened during your time at Ferguson!
I Remember

Somerset, KY

#819 Oct 22, 2008
Redd Ryder wrote:
Wow. Can't believe I found this board. I typed in "Ferguson School" and Google brought this up. What a neat trip back down memory lane. I've read through all the posts. All of you seem to have been just a few years ahead of me in school.
I was one of the last basketball players at Ferguson before the state closed the school. We never even got to finish our careers at Ferguson.
On my team were me, Billy Brewster, Vernon Norris, Gene Burton, Dennis Whitaker, Eddie Tucker, Larry Burton, and Jerry Holsonback.
One year ahead of us were David Carr, Doug Goff, Jimmy Strunk, Billy Denny, Darwin Minton and Shannon Hardwick.
The varsity up above us was seniors Larry Duncan, Jerry Peters, and Don Minton and juniors Eddie Bill Ping, Charlie Tucker, Jackie Linville, and Mike Richardson.
David Cowan saw that the school was going to be closed so he left when his eight seniors, Malcolm Luttrell and that bunch, graduated. Our coach was Dan Omlor. He was a good coach who got there too late. None of the varsity that year had played the year before and they were too small and slow and couldn't shoot, so they had a poor season. But my team went undefeated and won the regional and got to the state championship game before Vernon Norris got sick and we lost by 13. David Carr and his bunch went 22-5, won the region and got beat in the state tournament by Meyzeek, which was the Louisville Male junior high. So for the next several years we were going to have the best teams in Ferguson history. Then the state shut us down.
Vernon Norris had two older blonde sisters. Billy Denny had an older sister. Barbara Flynn was the editor of the newspaper, and Brenda New might have been the yearbook editor. I remember Nancy Atchley (adorable redhead), Laura Shafer (who dropped out at the beginning of her senior year), Pam Duncan, and Eddie Tucker's older sister Margaret.
Welcome Aboard!Sounds like you are just full of information...please ...please share with us.Knowitall is the most informed on here and I think he has now resorted to making stuff up.My memory is so bad I don't know if Knowitall is telling the truth or just amusing us.Either way he is the life line on here...You and he should be able to share some great stories about Mr.Omlar.LOL.As I remember it he and the coach had a lot to talk about....LOL
Redd Ryder

Walton, KY

#820 Oct 22, 2008
I've been fortunate since leaving Ferguson in that I've been lots of places and seen and done lots of things (like most of us, I imagine), but when thinking back to those days my memories always center around two things. This board limits us to 4000 letters,so I'll divide into several posts, one for each cluster of memories.
The first is how none of us really had anything. We were, really, all poor. But since we were all about equal, we didn't know it. It always seemed like the Tuckers, Burtons and Duncans had a little more than the rest of us, but not enough more to make them wealthy. So all we had was each other, and we had a great time. As I recall, we all pretty much got along. Every once in a while the girls would get into a feud over some guy, or the guys would get into a feud over some girl, but that was about it, and those blew over pretty quick. Otherwise, we had a great time doing basically nothing with nothing.
I remember we rode our bikes everywhere. We rode them all over Somerset, down to the lake, out to fishing holes and camping spots and anywhere else we needed to go. Most of our bikes were hand me downs or second hand to begin with. They were stripped down, often with no fenders or chain covers. They weren't those fancy narrow tire English bikes kids in Somerset had. We just had old balloon tire, fat seat, no gear hard core bikes. And we rode the Hell out of them.
I remember in the Summer we'd go swimming about every day. If we had a ride or felt real ambitious we'd bike down to the Lake. But most days we'd just go down to The Car Top. Anybody remember The Car Top? It was a car that somehow got down into the creek, which we never did figure out because there were trees and big rocks and everything in its way. But there it was. So we could jump off the roof of the car into the big swimming hole as the creek widened out, deepened out and came around kind of a bend.
Us guys had been going down there for years in grade school and junior high. We'd mostly just go skinny dippin. We didn't have the money for fancy swim trunks. Nobody thought anything about it. But I remember one day Vernon Norris and I were going down for a swim and we heard some splashin and screamin and got quiet and snuk down real slow and peeked around some bushes and there was three girls down there skinny dippin. It was the first time we'd seen any girls except our own sisters totally naked. It was real educational. But we knowed if they saw us it would be trouble for the rest of our lives. I mean, how could we sit next to them in school or church ever again? So we kept real quiet and snuk back out of there. I know exactly who it was, but they might be some of the people posting on here, so I'll not ever tell.
Redd Ryder

Walton, KY

#821 Oct 22, 2008
I remember hearing stories about The Big Trains. By the time I was growing up, the Big Train era was over. But lots of the old guys had worked on the railroad. It was the Southern that they all worked for. I guess it's the Norfolk and Southern today. Ferguson was the midpoint between Cincinnati and Atlanta, or Lexington and Knoxville, so this was where they changed crews. Engineers, conductors, brakemen, firemen, they all got on and off at Ferguson. And just south of us, the trains had to go up a hill several miles long and pretty steep, the longest and steepest hill on the whole Southern Railroad. So hauling coal north they had to put on extra engines. They'd drop off those engines at Ferguson. Then the next train going South with cars and stuff from the mills up North, they'd hook those engines back up to 'em to pull the trains over the hills heading South. That hill was mostly in McCreary County and the other side of it was in Tennessee.
People driving in their cars didn't pay much attention, but us on our bikes or hiking the tracks on foot, we knew where the Somerset city line was, and we knew that just South of Somerset , in Ferguson, was an old passenger station, an old freight station, some sidings, some buildings for equipment and everything, and offices for the railroad. We were their headquarters. So when the railroad was really big, they paid lots of money to Ferguson in taxes, and that was why the town had once been a lot nicer and the school had been a lot bigger. By the time we came along, it was all in decline. Men weren't working on the railroad any more, so the big money wasn't coming into Ferguson anymore. All we had left were those old guys sitting around in front of the stores or the post office of the gas station or on their front porches, telling stories about the good old days.

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#822 Oct 22, 2008
Redd Ryder wrote:
I remember hearing stories about The Big Trains. By the time I was growing up, the Big Train era was over. But lots of the old guys had worked on the railroad. It was the Southern that they all worked for. I guess it's the Norfolk and Southern today. Ferguson was the midpoint between Cincinnati and Atlanta, or Lexington and Knoxville, so this was where they changed crews. Engineers, conductors, brakemen, firemen, they all got on and off at Ferguson. And just south of us, the trains had to go up a hill several miles long and pretty steep, the longest and steepest hill on the whole Southern Railroad. So hauling coal north they had to put on extra engines. They'd drop off those engines at Ferguson. Then the next train going South with cars and stuff from the mills up North, they'd hook those engines back up to 'em to pull the trains over the hills heading South. That hill was mostly in McCreary County and the other side of it was in Tennessee.
People driving in their cars didn't pay much attention, but us on our bikes or hiking the tracks on foot, we knew where the Somerset city line was, and we knew that just South of Somerset , in Ferguson, was an old passenger station, an old freight station, some sidings, some buildings for equipment and everything, and offices for the railroad. We were their headquarters. So when the railroad was really big, they paid lots of money to Ferguson in taxes, and that was why the town had once been a lot nicer and the school had been a lot bigger. By the time we came along, it was all in decline. Men weren't working on the railroad any more, so the big money wasn't coming into Ferguson anymore. All we had left were those old guys sitting around in front of the stores or the post office of the gas station or on their front porches, telling stories about the good old days.
Welcome , welcome , welcome , to this thread- Even though I've been accused of lying , fabricating , or otherwise just making stuff up, I give my WORD , I will not lie unless I absolutely have to - You've just about named everybody that I'm familiar with - we must be close in age - Please go to the start of this topic or thread and you will find a lot of your comments already being discussed - I Remember was mentioned in your post but not me - Going only by what you read , try to identify some of us - I'll warn you in advance , I Knowitall9--

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#823 Oct 22, 2008
I Remember wrote:
<quoted text> Welcome Aboard!Sounds like you are just full of information...please ...please share with us.Knowitall is the most informed on here and I think he has now resorted to making stuff up.My memory is so bad I don't know if Knowitall is telling the truth or just amusing us.Either way he is the life line on here...You and he should be able to share some great stories about Mr.Omlar.LOL.As I remember it he and the coach had a lot to talk about....LOL
Nancy & Olive Norris - Sandy & Sharon Denney -

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Since: Sep 08

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#824 Oct 22, 2008
By the way , did you say ( georgeous Red Head )??Never heard her called that - Red Head, I mean --
Redd Ryder

Walton, KY

#825 Oct 22, 2008
My grandfather was buddies with Herbert T. Higgins (I never knew why. I didn't like Mr. Higgins. I liked Mr. Overby a lot better. I always thought Mr. Higgins was more of an old fashioned politician, but Mr. Overby was more of an educator. I never thought Mr. Higgins even liked us kids). My Dad was buddies with Ralph Duncan, who was then school board chairman and either owned or at least ran the tombstone company over on the bypass.

So when David Cowan resigned after his eight seniors graduated and he saw a couple of losing seasons coming up, Mr. Higgins and Mr. Duncan told my grandfather and my father they wanted to use the opportunity to bring in a real topnotch coach. So they wrote Adolph Rupp up at UK and asked him to send them someone. I though this was just more of Higgins' talk. He was always talking about what he was going to do and never did most of it. But then one day my Dad come home and said they had some guy who drive down for an interview and they thought they might be able to hire him except he might be about to be drafted into the army. So Higgins said he was going to write the draft board and tell them he needed this guy more than they did since they had plenty of guys and he only had this one. I thought that was more talk, too.

Then one day my Dad come home and said Mr. Duncan had told him the guy had sent his contract back signed and he was coming. He would start practice June 1. A real UK guy. How could this be? I come to learn he'd actually torn his ACL after a few years so had finished out as a student manager, but what did that matter? He was a UK guy and he was coming to Ferguson. All us kids down in the grades thought we couldn't wait to go watch him hold high school practices.

Imagine our shock when he showed up on our front porches. One by one. Were you one of those guys? Billy Brewster, Vernon Norris, Eddie Tucker, all of us. David Cowan always just ignored us except for letting us hang around. This new coach said he was starting a seventh grade team and an eighth grade team. We'd have our own practices and play our own separate schedule.

Oh, My, God. And he showed up driving this blue Mustang Convertible. Man, we knew things was about to get interesting.
I Remember

Somerset, KY

#826 Oct 22, 2008
Knowitall9 wrote:
<quoted text>Nancy & Olive Norris - Sandy & Sharon Denney -
OMG...I had forgotten all about those sisters.I was dating Autry Stephens{Stephens Bakery}and my mom didn't know it.He was much older than I was,she found out,I got grounded and he started dating Nancy Norris,finally married her.They didn't stay married long...Where did they come from..they were only in Ferguson for a while.
I Remember

Somerset, KY

#827 Oct 22, 2008
Knowitall9 wrote:
<quoted text>Welcome , welcome , welcome , to this thread- Even though I've been accused of lying , fabricating , or otherwise just making stuff up, I give my WORD , I will not lie unless I absolutely have to - You've just about named everybody that I'm familiar with - we must be close in age - Please go to the start of this topic or thread and you will find a lot of your comments already being discussed - I Remember was mentioned in your post but not me - Going only by what you read , try to identify some of us - I'll warn you in advance , I Knowitall9--
Here is a clue to the hidden identity of Knowitall9....he was the class clown..loved gum...and coach Omlar was his most memorable teacher...LOL..LOL.Truth or Dare Knowitall9 ??
Blondie9

London, KY

#828 Oct 22, 2008
I didn't even go to ferguson and i know just about all the school kids on here.I think knowitall9 is playing redfox to. I just do have a clue who redfox is.
knowsmore

Lexington, KY

#829 Oct 22, 2008
Knowitall9 wrote:
By the way ( btw ), This Red Fox , whom ever it is , sounds almost as elusive as me -
I used to have a crush on Carrie Baker.
I Remember

Somerset, KY

#830 Oct 22, 2008
Redd Ryder wrote:
My grandfather was buddies with Herbert T. Higgins (I never knew why. I didn't like Mr. Higgins. I liked Mr. Overby a lot better. I always thought Mr. Higgins was more of an old fashioned politician, but Mr. Overby was more of an educator. I never thought Mr. Higgins even liked us kids). My Dad was buddies with Ralph Duncan, who was then school board chairman and either owned or at least ran the tombstone company over on the bypass.
So when David Cowan resigned after his eight seniors graduated and he saw a couple of losing seasons coming up, Mr. Higgins and Mr. Duncan told my grandfather and my father they wanted to use the opportunity to bring in a real topnotch coach. So they wrote Adolph Rupp up at UK and asked him to send them someone. I though this was just more of Higgins' talk. He was always talking about what he was going to do and never did most of it. But then one day my Dad come home and said they had some guy who drive down for an interview and they thought they might be able to hire him except he might be about to be drafted into the army. So Higgins said he was going to write the draft board and tell them he needed this guy more than they did since they had plenty of guys and he only had this one. I thought that was more talk, too.
Then one day my Dad come home and said Mr. Duncan had told him the guy had sent his contract back signed and he was coming. He would start practice June 1. A real UK guy. How could this be? I come to learn he'd actually torn his ACL after a few years so had finished out as a student manager, but what did that matter? He was a UK guy and he was coming to Ferguson. All us kids down in the grades thought we couldn't wait to go watch him hold high school practices.
Imagine our shock when he showed up on our front porches. One by one. Were you one of those guys? Billy Brewster, Vernon Norris, Eddie Tucker, all of us. David Cowan always just ignored us except for letting us hang around. This new coach said he was starting a seventh grade team and an eighth grade team. We'd have our own practices and play our own separate schedule.
Oh, My, God. And he showed up driving this blue Mustang Convertible. Man, we knew things was about to get interesting.
When Coach Omlar came to Ferguson I was a freshman,Knowitall9 a sophomore.If you were in the 7th or 8th grade then we may not remember you...Except, I remember a jeweler who was friends with Mr.Higgens who lived in Ferguson.Are you the grandson of the jeweler?....I'm guessing..if I'm right then you and Knowitall9 have a very mutual friend,if I am wrong just chalk it up to old age.LOL!!
I Remember

Somerset, KY

#831 Oct 22, 2008
Knowitall9 wrote:
By the way , did you say ( georgeous Red Head )??Never heard her called that - Red Head, I mean --
You better say that.LOL!!
spider

Lexington, KY

#832 Oct 22, 2008
As well as Redd Ryder likes to write he should have put out a book.
Redd Ryder

Walton, KY

#833 Oct 22, 2008
Actually, I described her as Adorable. I think every guy in my grade had a crush on Nancy but of course she was a few years ahead of us so we just had to watch her and dream. She had a little scar along her upper lip and a few of the girls told me a few times it really bothered her and she thought it kept her from being attractive. She needn't have worried. I don't think any guy in Pulaski County ever noticed it.

There was a spark between Nancy and Coach Omlor. She had a real crush on him. Us guys knew it, and we kept telling him to ask her out. But he told us it was not allowed for coaches and teachers to date students. We knew of other coaches and teachers at other schools in the county who did it, so we told him not to worry about it. But he was always real professional, and he kept his distance. If she had been a senior, toward the end of the year, he might have allowed things to develop. But her being only a junior that year, our seventh grade year, it just wasn't possible. I didn't realize until a lot later that of course she wasn't 18, so there were laws about that sort of thing. We were all so clueless. But anyway, I always thought we had a great group of girls in Ferguson back then, and Nancy was the best of the bunch. She was so attractive, but also so smart, and somehow classier than the others, and still real sexy. Coach Omlor came back for one of our reunions a while back, and Nancy was there, and he gave her a big hug. It was the first time I'd seen her for 30-35 years. I thought she was even better looking then than she had been back in high school. She had that look of experience and wisdom about her that girls don't get until they've been out of school for a while. She was beautiful.
spider

Lexington, KY

#834 Oct 22, 2008
Well folks i am going to bed. I am tired of reading about Coach Omlor and his dating problems.sorry
knowslittle

Brownsville, TN

#835 Oct 22, 2008
Sunshine, where are you tonight?

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