Never Forget

Eric wrote:

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OK, I'm willing to be filled with your knowledge and analysis. Pray tell, where were the "other places jews could go"?

You can look it up yourself. The subjectivity in that matter may be regarding time frames.

When was the best time to immigrate? In 1933? Earlier? Later? During the war? You can't fault the US, a country in love with isolationist policy, and for good reason, since all of western europe was infested with fascist governments, including Churchill, who was a fascist who kissed our butts because he needed us, not because he liked us so much.

Never forget he was a fascist in his own right, and had plans to whip Germany's butt long before the war started, and Hitler knew it.

Hitler didn't just start from a vacuum. He picked his targets for what he thought were good reason.
Everyone thinks of western europe at the time to be a facsimile of what it's like now. It wasn't. It was Badsville everywhere. It was ruthless, people's emotions hit a certain intensity, and if finally exploded.

That all being said, the overall point I'm making is WWII was a fascist free-for-all, and not a battle between "good" and "evil." If you noticed, even after France was secured by H, we still stayed out of the pool, for good reason.because we knew getiing involved meant holding hands with leaders who collectively killed off more innocent people than Hitler, not that I'm trying to make it an ouch contest.
I'm not making apologies for Hitler. I'm just saying it's not as clear cut as the media would have you believe in general, and some Jews in particular.

The only difference between the jews and tons of other genocide victims is enough survived to complain about it.
Those who were the victims of successful genocide can't complain, so you've never heard of them.

These genocides usually happen when one hard-core clan meets up with another and neither will adjust, or assimilate, and both start talking trash. If you study genocides around the world, you'll find that simplification to be true, most often.

The German/Jew story is a story about clan warfare, and what happens when the majority gets major pizzed at the minority. The Germans said Jews are sneaky, money hungry, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter. When one clan hates another, one excuse is as good as another. Happens all the time. It's happening now.

My original point is I'm tired of the Jews dominating the History Channel with their wailing.

We got it. You got cleansed, dude. We understand. Move on.

They should consider the Sudan, or the Congo. Point and yell at that, and do some good. Send some israeli troops in to maintain order. You could at least secure the jungles of the Congo somewhat.

You think if the Israeli's sent a few hundred troops with sniper rifles into the congo, that they couldn't make a lot of bad things stop very quickly?

Come on you anti-genocide whiners! Walk your talk in the Sudan! Find some of the "right people" over there and shoot them in the head. Put down that hi-def camera, drop that picture of your grandpa, and get your jewish butts in gear and let's stop some genocides!

I'll be rooting for you.

My Take on It wrote:

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You can look it up yourself.

I'll take your response to be that your original response was bull.

As to genocide today, Jewish organizations are on the forefront of the effort to raise awareness and stop the senseless killing. One Jewish organization has sent over $600,000 this year (2008) already for the effort. And, more is to come.

Oh, one more thing about your History Channel rant. It's like anything else on TV, ratings decide what goes on and what doesn't. There must be a market. The sponsors are buying the ads. People are watching. If you don't like what they are showing, don't watch. Find another channel on your dish/cable.

Eric wrote:

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I'll take your response to be that your original response was bull.
As to genocide today, Jewish organizations are on the forefront of the effort to raise awareness and stop the senseless killing. One Jewish organization has sent over $600,000 this year (2008) already for the effort. And, more is to come.

600 hundred THOUSAND dollars? wow... That's a lot of jewish buckaroo! And here I thought they didn't really care, but 600K is like... enough to pay to run an organization to talk about genocide for a year!
Eric... when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
You just look comically stupid. Like when you said if I don't like misrepresentations of history on the Hitler Channel, I should watch something else.
Hilarious.

My Take on It wrote:

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600 hundred THOUSAND dollars? wow... That's a lot of jewish buckaroo! And here I thought they didn't really care, but 600K is like... enough to pay to run an organization to talk about genocide for a year!
Eric... when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
You just look comically stupid. Like when you said if I don't like misrepresentations of history on the Hitler Channel, I should watch something else.
Hilarious.

Well at least you didn't try to cover up your own lack of not having the facts to back your statement that there were other countries for the Jews to emigrate to during the holocaust.

Eric wrote:

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Well at least you didn't try to cover up your own lack of not having the facts to back your statement that there were other countries for the Jews to emigrate to during the holocaust.

He didn't say jews were emmigrating during the holocaust, moron.

Eric, I think 'My Take On it" is a moron. Site your response to Eric or shut up. Your rants don't make you right....or factual! oh, I am not a Jew either!

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Eric, I think 'My Take On it" is a moron. Site your response to Eric or shut up. Your rants don't make you right....or factual! oh, I am not a Jew either!

You meant to type "cite," but your ignorance of history stretches right into third grade english, not to mention your infantile grammar. Small wonder google search confounds you too.
Small wonder nobody respects you.
No, I don't want fries with that. gotta go now.

My Take on It wrote:

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You meant to type "cite," but your ignorance of history stretches right into third grade english, not to mention your infantile grammar. Small wonder google search confounds you too.
Small wonder nobody respects you.
No, I don't want fries with that. gotta go now.

Just curious, why are you so mean?

Lewd wrote:

If you don't forget.....how do you get past it? Accept that it happen(it was horrific) and move past it.

Would you say that to the Americans about 9/11?

Timin wrote:

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Would you say that to the Americans about 9/11?

Too many people asking stupid questions with nothing interesting to add.
Reminds me of the Dickens story with the ghost and the frightened, hollow-eyed children clinging to it's knees.
That's California and the spawn of it's educational system.
Very sad--and scary.

LOL wrote:

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He didn't say jews were emmigrating during the holocaust, moron.

No, he said there were places that the Jews should and could have emigrated to during the holocaust. However, when challenged he could not identify any.

Eric wrote:

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No, he said there were places that the Jews should and could have emigrated to during the holocaust. However, when challenged he could not identify any.

That's not so, Eric.
I never said, nor could it even be inferred that I said the jews could freely immigrate during the holocaust.
The Jews were having problems with the nazi's long before the holocaust occured between 41-45.
It started back in the thirties, which was the time period I was addressing.
Sorry for repeating myself to those who easily understood. Eric's a little slow.
Your reading comprehension is at grade school level, Eric.
Good luck with that.

My Take on It wrote:

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That's not so, Eric.
I never said, nor could it even be inferred that I said the jews could freely immigrate during the holocaust.
The Jews were having problems with the nazi's long before the holocaust occured between 41-45.
It started back in the thirties, which was the time period I was addressing.
Sorry for repeating myself to those who easily understood. Eric's a little slow.
Your reading comprehension is at grade school level, Eric.
Good luck with that.

Listen guy, the holocaust did indeed start in the 30's. You have stated "The first question to ask is, why didn't the Jews just leave?
Contrary to popular belief, Hitler wasn't primarily interested in exterminating the Jews. He simply wanted them to immigrate elsewhere, and gave plenty of big hints and many Jews got the 'message,' and left the country." When I said that those who left either soon were again confronted by the Nazi conquests of Europe or faced nations that would not allow immigration in the numbers necessary, you said "Irrelevant, since there were other places jews could go besides arab lands and isolationist countries." When I challenged you to name such "other places", you said "You can look it up yourself."

Therefore, my statement is correct. You can't back up your statement as to where the Jews could have gone in the 30's and 40's in sufficient numbers that either the Nazi's would not later confront them in their conquests or that would receive a sufficient number to make a dent in the millions that were killed.

Please remember that the Jews from Germany were but a fraction of the 6 million--only 142,000. The big losses came from Poland (3 million), Hungary (550,000) and the Soviet Union (1 million). Why would these 4.5 million people in other countries know that they should have left for other continents in the 1930's? Your better solution would have only addressed those who lived in Germany and maybe those who lived in Austria (50,000) and Czechoslovakia (71,000).

OK, so enlighten us all. Where should the 4.5 million from Poland, Hungary and the Soviet Union have gone and how should they have known to get out a decade before?

Country Estimated Murdered
Austria
50,000
Belgium
25,000
Bohemia/Moravia
78,000
Bulgaria
0
Denmark
60
Estonia
2,000
Finland
7
France
77,000
Germany
142,000
Greece
65,000
Hungary
550,000
Italy
7,500
Latvia
70,000
Lithuania
140,000
Luxembourg
1,000
Netherlands
100,000
Norway
762
Poland
3,000,000
Romania
270,000
Slovakia
71,000
Soviet Union
1,000,000
Yugoslavia
60,000
Total: 5,709,329

Eric wrote:

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Listen guy, the holocaust did indeed start in the 30's. You have stated "The first question to ask is, why didn't the Jews just leave?
Contrary to popular belief, Hitler wasn't primarily interested in exterminating the Jews. He simply wanted them to immigrate elsewhere, and gave plenty of big hints and many Jews got the 'message,' and left the country." When I said that those who left either soon were again confronted by the Nazi conquests of Europe or faced nations that would not allow immigration in the numbers necessary, you said "Irrelevant, since there were other places jews could go besides arab lands and isolationist countries." When I challenged you to name such "other places", you said "You can look it up yourself."
Therefore, my statement is correct. You can't back up your statement as to where the Jews could have gone in the 30's and 40's in sufficient numbers that either the Nazi's would not later confront them in their conquests or that would receive a sufficient number to make a dent in the millions that were killed.
Please remember that the Jews from Germany were but a fraction of the 6 million--only 142,000. The big losses came from Poland (3 million), Hungary (550,000) and the Soviet Union (1 million). Why would these 4.5 million people in other countries know that they should have left for other continents in the 1930's? Your better solution would have only addressed those who lived in Germany and maybe those who lived in Austria (50,000) and Czechoslovakia (71,000).
OK, so enlighten us all. Where should the 4.5 million from Poland, Hungary and the Soviet Union have gone and how should they have known to get out a decade before?
Country Estimated Murdered
Austria
50,000
Belgium
25,000
Bohemia/Moravia
78,000
Bulgaria
0
Denmark
60
Estonia
2,000
Finland
7
France
77,000
Germany
142,000
Greece
65,000
Hungary
550,000
Italy
7,500
Latvia
70,000
Lithuania
140,000
Luxembourg
1,000
Netherlands
100,000
Norway
762
Poland
3,000,000
Romania
270,000
Slovakia
71,000
Soviet Union
1,000,000
Yugoslavia
60,000
Total: 5,709,329

Though Hitler likely made his official declaration in 1939, the extermination of the Jews was not officially declared in earnest until "Operation Reinhard" in 1942, though it was unofficially declared earlier in '41 the constructions of first camps in '41, just to help you out of your confusion, if that's what it is. Or maybe you know of some 'secret" concentration camps in Poland beforehand where genocide was the goal.

I don't know why google continues to be such a difficult task for you. Good luck with that, and your continuing embarrassing posts, my incredibly stupid friend.

BTW, you demand citations, then post a lot of numbers with... no citations. You truly have a screw loose, which only provides further evidence of our nations shrill voiced "holocausters" suffering from some kind of pathology they cannot overcome.

My Take on It wrote:

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Though Hitler likely made his official declaration in 1939, the extermination of the Jews was not officially declared in earnest until "Operation Reinhard" in 1942, though it was unofficially declared earlier in '41 the constructions of first camps in '41, just to help you out of your confusion, if that's what it is. Or maybe you know of some 'secret" concentration camps in Poland beforehand where genocide was the goal.
I don't know why google continues to be such a difficult task for you. Good luck with that, and your continuing embarrassing posts, my incredibly stupid friend.
BTW, you demand citations, then post a lot of numbers with... no citations. You truly have a screw loose, which only provides further evidence of our nations shrill voiced "holocausters" suffering from some kind of pathology they cannot overcome.

First, I never asked for citations, only the names of the countries.

We began this debate with the idea that the Jews started the quest for places to go with the Evian Conference of 1938, but host countries wouldn't increase their quotas of Jews. You said there were places. But you can't list any.

Second, try this one for the number of Jews per country http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocau...

Now, answer the question, how were the non-German Jews supposed to know to get out a decade before? Your idea saves maybe 300,000 of the 6 million. What about the remainder? After Hitler invaded Poland and took over the entire country in a few weeks, do you think the 3 million Polish Jews had an opportunity to leave? Should they have known to leave in the 1930's? Did the poor Polish Jews of the shtetls have the financial ability to leave? Did the 500,000 Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto have the option to leave prior to the Germans closing off the area in 1940? Is it your opinion that the Nazis would have allowed them to emigrate after September of 1939? And, if so, where were they to go?

We are back to the original question. Your premise is unsupportable. The vast majority of the Jews killed in the Holocaust had no reason to know to leave Europe in the 1930's nor the opportunity to leave once the Germans invaded. Further, they had no place to go in the numbers required if the Germans would have allowed them to leave after the invasions.

It's site you jerk, as in website....I have family that were in the work camps. There were more than just Jews murdered by the Nazi, you idiot....
I would surely bet my education is much better than yours.....

Too many long beach / la personas to pretend to discuss with, especailly when they are all the same nut...

Eric wrote:

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First, I never asked for citations, only the names of the countries.
We began this debate with the idea that the Jews started the quest for places to go with the Evian Conference of 1938, but host countries wouldn't increase their quotas of Jews. You said there were places. But you can't list any.
Second, try this one for the number of Jews per country http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocau...
Now, answer the question, how were the non-German Jews supposed to know to get out a decade before? Your idea saves maybe 300,000 of the 6 million. What about the remainder? After Hitler invaded Poland and took over the entire country in a few weeks, do you think the 3 million Polish Jews had an opportunity to leave? Should they have known to leave in the 1930's? Did the poor Polish Jews of the shtetls have the financial ability to leave? Did the 500,000 Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto have the option to leave prior to the Germans closing off the area in 1940? Is it your opinion that the Nazis would have allowed them to emigrate after September of 1939? And, if so, where were they to go?
We are back to the original question. Your premise is unsupportable. The vast majority of the Jews killed in the Holocaust had no reason to know to leave Europe in the 1930's nor the opportunity to leave once the Germans invaded. Further, they had no place to go in the numbers required if the Germans would have allowed them to leave after the invasions.

We did not start this "debate" with the idea that the Jews started the quest for places to go with the Evian Conference of 1938. I never made that claim, you never said as much until now, so that's a lie.

The Jews got an unmistakable "heads-up" in 1933 that it would be best to get outta Dodge, and many did. They went to such places as Portugal, South America, Cuba, Mexico, China, Africa, and other places. By the way, you might want to review your logic of "because there wasn't that many, there couldn't have been more," as well as "the numbers allegedly recorded during wartime are very accurate."

I also never said it would be an easy undertaking, but there were options, unpleasant, but options nonetheless. I never implied that if ALL the Jews had left,(and "why didn't they because it was so easy..") no Jews would have been killed. My point was emmigration would have mitigated the genocide attempt considerably. If you don't agree, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

But let's keep one thing in mind, they were an outspoken minority struggling for political power in Germany, and no land to call their own. It doesn't matter if you're Jewish, or a Pygmy in the Congo, when all hell breaks loose, the power-brokering/seeking minority is going to be the first in line for "payback" for whatever slight the culture/race/clan in absolute power feels needs to be addressed, whether it's rational or not.

This was the operative point I was making. Jews get too jewey regarding genocide. Genocide is common. It's happening right now, and Jews in particular, aren't doing much about it. Therefore, their contributions to "the hitler channel" are suspect to me. They aren't interested in genocide, i.e, humanity, they're interested in.. Jewish interests.

That's fine, too. But please, jews, find something else to talk about besides jewish genocide attempts. We GOT it. Move on. Jews don't own genocide. I do not accept it as the eternal jewish trademark. No rational, thinking person should.

Oh, and HERE's something hilarious, recalling your shaming reference to the St. Louis, and the US rejecting the Jews sailing on her. Check out how the Jews are handling political emegres trying to make a new life in a new land:

Last week, House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., wrote a letter to Israel's ambassador in Washington, Sallai Meridor, the son of one of Begin's most prominent political supporters. "Israel has returned 48 Sudanese people to Egypt and intends to refuse entrance to refugees from the war-torn Darfur region of Sudan," reported the congressman. "I am writing today to express my disappointment that Israel would turn away any person fleeing from persecution.…[I]f any country should understand the special needs of those affected by the genocide in Darfur, it should be Israel."

http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/...

You see, Eric... your amazing Jews have let you down, my friend, simply because, they're a lot like you and me. I know that's a massive disappointment for you. Jews don't glow, they don't fly, they don't feel more pain than you or me. They don't empathize more than you or me, because they essentially ARE you and me.

No more than that.

I'm sorry. That's just the way it is.

I'll let you go now, because I know you're interested in genocide, the Jews are refusing emegres running for their lives because they don't want a lot of uneducated black africans running around in Israel, and you have a lot of angry letters to write.