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$1.2 billion bond measure?

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#51
Jul 22, 2008
 
Charity is in my home.

Yes, my home has welcomed, embraced, nourished, encouraged, housed ...the:

Discouraged
Downtrodden
Displaced

This has been a voluntary - heartfelt - spiritfilled responce to real needs placed on the doorstep.

No tax deduction
No tax subsidy
No recognition - other than a parting handshake and crowns in heaven.

"It takes a village"
- is not Hillary
- it is not Govt.
- it is found within the heart

- and no soft/fat/cat/blubbering/leache s on cushy downtown seats can take God's manna from my hand - and distribute the perloined wealth - with a lear of generous benevolence without being:

Struck blind
Afflicted with boils
Trapped in the wreaths of graft
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Jul 22, 2008
 

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Where is Michael Ellis wrote:
Does everyone who is making the "illegal immigrant" argument actually believe that students in grades pre-kinder through 12 are making the decision to cross the border illegally? Remember, these are children, and a compassionate society should never enact policies which punish children for the decisions and actions of their parents.
Perhaps an example will help illustrate my point... When you are pulled over speeding and you are the driver, does your passenger get the ticket? Of course not. Similarly, it makes no sense -- morally, ethically, or legally -- to deny basic human services to children whose parents have broken the law. Industrialized nations around the world include education as one of those basic services; it's one thing that separates us from third-world countries.
Yet another reason to vote “yes” on the bond.
Sorry, we aren't responding to illegal mexican immigrant blackmail anymore. You argue that we can't stop the flood of illegal immigration because children will be victimized.
I guess at this point, they're going to have to be victimized. By their parents.
When legislation regarding welfare, and anchor babies are addressed, THEN we can talk about more money for schools.
Until that time, Americans must find private schools or home school. Leave the public school system to the illegals. They should get what they pay for.
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#53
Jul 23, 2008
 
samuel griego wrote:
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You are absolutely correct, "Enough". An informed debate cannot possibly be limited to a four second sound bite, nor a four sentence dismissal in a blog. Thoughtful consideration of issues that have a direct impact on our children deserve to be contemplated, discussed and, ultimately, decided upon after analyzing the facts. Let me assist you with that process...
Pro: A "yes" vote on the bond will allow our schools to remain successful centers for learning for every student, every day, which, in turn, will add to our property values, increase the tax base, and improve the overall quality of life in Long Beach.
Pro: Falling ceiling tiles, outdated portable classrooms, decaying pipes, leaking roofs, and earthquake damage-prone classrooms (none of which were caused by illegal immigrants) will be fixed with a "yes" vote on the bond.
Pro: A community oversight committee for facility repairs will be established with a "yes" vote on the bond.
Pro: A "yes" vote for the bond will provide our children with safe classrooms to learn in.
Pro: Passing the bond will allow our schools in Long Beach to provide our children with a school environment that reflects the importance we place on educating them.
Pro: Students who are provided with a quality education in a safe, secure environment are much more likely to grow up to be productive citizens of our community.
Pro: A "yes" vote for the bond will allow our community to fund education at a higher level than the state of California has limited us to. We rank an embarassing 47th out of 50 states in school funding, and the bond will help to give our kids the education they deserve.
So far, previous posts against the bond measure have had little or no factual information for the voting public. Again, the issue of illegal immigration is not the responsibility of the Long Beach Unified School District; it's a Federal responsibility. Denying an education to any child, regardless of citizenship status, will have a far greater negative impact on our community.
Most rational people would agree that education is the foundation for upward social mobility -- moving from the lower end of the socioeconomic scale to the middle class or above. Conversely, underfunding education is the quickest, most effective way to ensure an increase in crime, teenage pregnancy, gang activity, illiteracy rates, and under/unemployment. Education spending is far cheaper than the aforementioned negative effects of underfunding our schools.
To "Enough is Enough": With the above entry, this brings my word count to exactly 2,071 words (a few less than the 5,000 number you stated above) in this blog. Feel free to add to the debate with some kind of factual information... Gotta love that First Ammendment of the Constitution (FYI, it applies to everyone -- legal citizens and undocumented immigrants alike).
Save your words. We're going to vote it down. End of discussion.
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#54
Jul 23, 2008
 
After careful consideration of how LBUSD has bumbled every influx of revenue they have received (i.e.$30,000,000 for desegregation refund that allowed schools to spend as they pleased) instead of "investing" in infrastructure repairs and facilities, they get a big fat "F" for failure to do their jobs and prudently manage the funds they receive. LBUSD has a budget of $797,152,313, spends $748,027,893 and expects taxpayers to finance a $1.2 billion dollar bond and pay for it with property taxes that will increase with the cost of living. This is nothing more than a sneaky way around the tax protections of Proposition 98. Reality bites, LBUSD needs to learn how to live within its means and not steal from property owners with additional taxes.

LBUSD Financial Reports for District
http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/Navigation/fsTwo...
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#55
Jul 23, 2008
 
read what these measures actually say...
City is only asking for $120 a year...
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#56
Jul 23, 2008
 
With the putz's who run the political end of this city, is it any wonder why it's know in most circles as... Wrong Beach?

No to more taxes!
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#57
Jul 24, 2008
 
EstSdeLng wrote:
read what these measures actually say...
City is only asking for $120 a year...
With only 55% of the local vote, Long Beach homeowners would pay an additional tax levy of $60 per each $100,000 of assessed value each year for the life of the LBUSD $1.2 billion dollar bond for a period of 25 to 40 years. According to Dataquick's home sales analysis for June, 2008, the mean home sales price for Long Beach Zip Code 90815 was $518,000.

Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association
How to Defeat Prop. 39 Bonds in Your Area
http://www.hjta.org/defeat_prop39

LBUSD RESOLUTION NO. 072108-D

"(f) that the tax levy authorized to secure the Bonds of this election shall not exceed the Proposition 39 limit per $100,000 of taxable property in the District when assessed valuation is projected by the District to increase in accordance with Article XIIIA of the California Constitution."

"Section 8. That the maturity of any Bonds issued pursuant to Section 15264 et seq. of the Education Code hereto shall have a maturity not exceeding twenty-five (25) years, and Bonds issued pursuant to Section 53506 of the Government Code shall have a maturity of not exceeding forty (40) years. The maximum rate of interest on any Bond shall not exceed the maximum rate allowed by Education Code Sections 15140 to 15143, as modified by Government Code Section 53531."
http://www.lbusd.k12.ca.us/Main_Offices/Board...

Proposition 39
"The tax rate levied as the result of any single election be no more than $60 (for a unified school district)..."
Analysis by the Legislative Analyst
http://vote2000.sos.ca.gov/VoterGuide/text/te...

http://www.dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/L...
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#58
Jul 24, 2008
 
CA Education Code
15140.(a) Bonds of a school district or community college district shall be offered for sale by the board of supervisors of the county, the county superintendent of which has jurisdiction over the district, or the community college district governing board, where appropriate, as soon as possible following receipt of a resolution duly adopted by the governing board of the school district or community college district. The resolution shall prescribe the total amount of bonds to be sold. The resolution may also prescribe the maximum acceptable interest rate, not to exceed 8 percent, and the time or times when the whole or any part of the principal of the bonds shall be payable, which shall not be more than 25 years from the date of the bonds.
(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a) or another provision of this chapter, the board of supervisors of any county may provide by resolution that the governing board of any school district or community college district over which the county superintendent of schools has jurisdiction, and which has not received a qualified or negative certification in its most recent interim report, may issue and sell bonds on its own behalf pursuant to this chapter without further action of the board of supervisors or officers of that county or of any other county in which a portion of the school district or community college district is located. The county shall levy and collect taxes, pay bonds, and hold bond proceeds and tax funds pursuant to this chapter for the bonds issued and sold pursuant to this subdivision.
(c) Whenever the governing board of a school district or community college district issues bonds or refunding bonds payable from ad valorem taxes the governing board shall transmit the authorizing resolution and debt service schedule, including the debt service schedule for the bonds to be refunded, to the county auditor and county treasurer in sufficient time to permit the county to establish tax rates and necessary funds or accounts for the bonds.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate...

15143. "The bonds shall not bear a rate of interest greater than 8 percent per annum, payable annually or semiannually."
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate...

CA Government Code
53531. Any provision of law specifying the maximum interest rate on bonds to the contrary notwithstanding, bonds may bear interest at a coupon rate or rates as determined by the legislative body in its discretion but not to exceed 12 percent per year payable as permitted
by law, unless some higher rate is permitted by law.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate...
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#59
Jul 24, 2008
 
"Reality Bites": You might want to brush-up on the rules and regulations regarding school budgets. It works like this: When schools receive money from the state for specific programs (i.e. deseg. money), the state requires them to spend it on the intended purpose. Money received for deseg. purposes cannot, by law, be spent on infrastructure. Superintendent Steinhauser is seeking more flexibility in how LBUSD may spend its money, along with additional accountability measures to ensure that the expenditure of state funds has a positive impact on student achievement, among other things. If the state approves further flexibility, it may allow the District to use money that is left over in other budgets for things that the District feels are a priority, such as facility upgrade and repair.
Again, we can thank Sacramento for almost 100 different budgets with specific spending requirements. For example, even though LBUSD has enough books for every student, if money is left over in the textbook budget, the District can't spend it on facilities. LBUSD is actively seeking to change this. It's not that the District didn't choose to spend deseg. money (or money from any other state budgets) on facilities; the state doesn't ALLOW any district to do so.
"Old Guy": Thank you for exercising your right to vote. I'd appreciate the same respect for my right to free speech. Democracy is only strengthened through dialogue and debate, so I don't plan on "...saving my words...", just as you shouldn't plan on saving your vote...
The District's proven record of prudent spending that has a direct, positive effect on students is another reason to vote "yes" on the bond in November.
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#60
Jul 24, 2008
 
Samuel Griego wrote:
The District's proven record of prudent spending that has a direct, positive effect on students is another reason to vote "yes" on the bond in November.
You're dreaming and making me laugh, more money doesn't improve student outcomes because if it did, one in four students wouldn't be dropping out of LBUSD high schools. LBUSD has ignored the educational requirements of homeowners' children for decades. Now, at the apparent behest of superintendent Christopher Steinhauser, you are trying to make a case for increased wrongheaded spending (paid for by additional annual property taxes of $60 per $100,000 of assessed value for up to 40 years). Declining enrollment is reason enough to vote "NO" on the 1.2 billion bond in November.
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Give It Up wrote:
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Sorry, we aren't responding to illegal mexican immigrant blackmail anymore. You argue that we can't stop the flood of illegal immigration because children will be victimized.
I guess at this point, they're going to have to be victimized. By their parents.
When legislation regarding welfare, and anchor babies are addressed, THEN we can talk about more money for schools.
Until that time, Americans must find private schools or home school. Leave the public school system to the illegals. They should get what they pay for.
Sorry to inform you that all children who are born here have all the rights of citizens. That is because they are citizens. If you have a problem with this children because they have immigrant parents , that says a lot about you. In this country, we educated all of the children. And why do you insist on using dehumanizing language to make your point. These are all god's children.
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Reality Bites wrote:
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You're dreaming and making me laugh, more money doesn't improve student outcomes because if it did, one in four students wouldn't be dropping out of LBUSD high schools. LBUSD has ignored the educational requirements of homeowners' children for decades. Now, at the apparent behest of superintendent Christopher Steinhauser, you are trying to make a case for increased wrongheaded spending (paid for by additional annual property taxes of $60 per $100,000 of assessed value for up to 40 years). Declining enrollment is reason enough to vote "NO" on the 1.2 billion bond in November.
Are you saying that spending less improves educational outcomes? Not in the real world.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
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Declining enrollment is reason enough to vote "NO" on the 1.2 billion bond in November.
How exactly does declining enrollment help to fix eroding 70 year old pipes, dangerous falling ceiling tiles, and outdated electrical wiring in our schools? The District will still have over 88,000 students in need of safe and secure learning facilities, and ignoring the deteriorating conditions in our schools will only exacerbate the problem.

Reality Bites: Do you own a house? If so, you'll probably understand that the sooner you fix problems, such as a leaking faucet, the less likely it is to turn into a major problem, such as a cracked foundation due to water damage, mold, and termite infestation. The same is true for our schools. If our school facilities are not provided with some very major repairs as soon as possible, the problem will only get worse, which, in turn, will require much more money to fix. Another reason to vote "yes" on the bond in November.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
mrguapo wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry to inform you that all children who are born here have all the rights of citizens. That is because they are citizens. If you have a problem with this children because they have immigrant parents , that says a lot about you. In this country, we educated all of the children. And why do you insist on using dehumanizing language to make your point. These are all god's children.
Very well stated, Mr. Guapo. Perhaps "Give it Up" and others who make the "illegal immigrant" argument against the bond would be well-served to remember the words that are displayed at the base of our great nation's Statue of Liberty...

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

Funny how these timeless words -- written in 1883 and engraved on the Statue of Liberty in 1903 -- continue to be highly relevant to today's issues. Again, our freedom and democracy are not possible without developing an informed electorate through quality education.

Freedom and Democracy: Yet another reason to vote "yes" on the bond in November...
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Long Beach Unified School District is a bottomless pit of endless wants and needs. In 1999, Long Beach voters approved a $295 million bond (Measure A) to build and renovate LBUSD schools. Where did those all those millions of dollars go? Regular maintenance should be provided for out of the general fund that our current taxes provide. My household budget cannot withstand anymore taxes. Vote no on new tax!

How to Defeat Prop. 39 Bonds in Your Area
http://www.hjta.org/defeat_prop39
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no parcel tax. no new taxes. reinstate prop 187.
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#68
Jul 24, 2008
 
A FILKINS wrote:
no parcel tax. no new taxes. reinstate prop 187.
Sorry, but when something is unconstitutional, that means it is against the law. Why not discuss the merits of the plan proposed by the district rather than your own personal prejudices?
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#70
Jul 24, 2008
 
Yes, by all means do share the merits of LBUSD's plan to tax homeowners to death!
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Jul 24, 2008
 
No New Taxes wrote:
In 1999, Long Beach voters approved a $295 million bond (Measure A) to build and renovate LBUSD schools. Where did those all those millions of dollars go?
I know it's probably a rhetorical question, "No New Taxes", but I'll be happy to answer that one. Measure A helped to modernize some of LBUSD's most outdated buildings. Among a multitude of other essential basic facility repairs, work completed by Measure A included seismic renovations, as well as major work to improve the energy efficiency of the District's buildings. Projects also included windows, plumbing, wiring, alarms, lighting, heating, ventilation, paint, patching, floors, carpets and roofs. Finally, Measure A increased the capacity of many schools in LBUSD, which allowed more students to attend their neighborhood schools, rather than getting on a bus.

Measure A also helped to build CAMS, the District's nationally ranked high school that consistently sends record percentages of students to Ivy League and University of California.

Additionally, the state matched $200 million of Measure A funds. If it weren't for Measure A, the District would have lost out on a significant amount of state funding, which, in turn, would have resulted in further compromising of facility safety for children. Schools would be in far worse shape today if Measure A didn't pass. BTW, Measure A passed with a "yes" vote from over 70% of the voting public, and I would expect the same for the upcoming bond, given the quality of work, accountability and service provided by Measure A.

A Proven Track Record for Effective, Prudent and Results-Based Spending of Bond Money: Yet another reason to vote "yes" on the bond in November.
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my dear mr guano, prop 187 was voted for and passed by the majority of voters. if it was unconstitutional it should have never been put on a ballot. it had nothing to do with nor are my views based on prejudice. the propostion and my view on this subject has to do with economics not racial prejudice. immigration quotas were established for taxation reasons, not to get into your "craw". stick to the subject and put your personal aganda aside, please and thank you.
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